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Posted: 6/22/2015 3:53:53 PM EDT
[#1]
4 less of whatever now.
 Thanks for sharing!
I see all these AR stock adapters - anyone thought of trying to do an ACR stock adapter? I know they did a run of them on HKPRO for UMPs, looked like it worked out pretty well. Maybe a good Manticore project? 
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Posted: 6/22/2015 4:37:29 PM EDT
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Nice, snagged some 30's.
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Posted: 6/22/2015 4:48:38 PM EDT
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Lan world has the Hera side folder back in stock. Just ordered one and will post pics when I get it.
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Posted: 6/22/2015 5:31:50 PM EDT
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My TROS 3-lug adapter just showed up in the mail:
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 5:50:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer:
My TROS 3-lug adapter just showed up in the mail: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/2DEA53B9-63A7-474C-BCDF-1CD646DA2919_zpsowjbiq7i.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/17DAC226-70E9-450F-B7E8-BD1578B01F92_zpsr0ydzmlw.jpg Beat me to it
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MO, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:09:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA:
Ok. Myself and two other buddies have taken the plunge and have joined the Evo 3 club. Signed up for email notifications on 30 round mag availability. Form 1's are soon to be filed. However, also want to get the suppressor forms going. Which route are you guys going for suppression? Octane 9 seems to be a leading candidate given that SilencerCo has already made the adapter. But are there other options we should be exploring? E Form 1's are right at 3 months wait right now. I went with a Silencerco Octane 9 HD and will be going with Manticore's tri lug adapter. It's THE set up to have imo. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:17:05 PM EDT
[#7]
Thank you for the link on the 30's! I finally have more than a single 30rd mag now.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:24:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LabelFacingRight]
[#8]
Well, over the weekend I bought a Scorpion from PSA for $799 OTD with no transfer fee from my FFL, bought a new PA microdot for it yesterday, and just grabbed 3 30 rounders from Cotes.
Glad that I've been traveling and working 13 hour days for the last month straight, without the OT and per diem my bank account would really hate me right now. |
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:26:34 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer:
My TROS 3-lug adapter just showed up in the mail: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/2DEA53B9-63A7-474C-BCDF-1CD646DA2919_zpsowjbiq7i.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/17DAC226-70E9-450F-B7E8-BD1578B01F92_zpsr0ydzmlw.jpg Plz can you post pics of it installed? Thanks! |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:38:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AKJohnny]
[#10]
Got my 30rd mag order in today
AK Johnny
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:41:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertmegar: Plz can you post pics of it installed? Thanks! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertmegar: Originally Posted By Engineer: My TROS 3-lug adapter just showed up in the mail: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/2DEA53B9-63A7-474C-BCDF-1CD646DA2919_zpsowjbiq7i.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/17DAC226-70E9-450F-B7E8-BD1578B01F92_zpsr0ydzmlw.jpg Plz can you post pics of it installed? Thanks! Here you go. Waiting for the Rocksett to cure now.   |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:45:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LabelFacingRight:
Well, over the weekend I bought a Scorpion from PSA for $799 OTD with no transfer fee from my FFL, bought a new PA microdot for it yesterday, and just grabbed 3 30 rounders from Cotes. Glad that I've been traveling and working 13 hour days for the last month straight, without the OT and per diem my bank account would really hate me right now. +1 for OT = Guns. I have been working lots of double shifts lately. I worked 40 hours from Fri-Sun alone and just ordered a FDE Tavor as a reward for all my hard work. lol
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VA, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 6:49:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lithgow303]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertmegar:
Plz can you post pics of it installed? Thanks! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertmegar:
Originally Posted By Engineer:
My TROS 3-lug adapter just showed up in the mail: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/2DEA53B9-63A7-474C-BCDF-1CD646DA2919_zpsowjbiq7i.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j88/Engineer303/ammo_and_guns/17DAC226-70E9-450F-B7E8-BD1578B01F92_zpsr0ydzmlw.jpg Plz can you post pics of it installed? Thanks! Mine showed up today as well. SilencerCo Octane 9 HD II w/three lug adapter ETA: HTCOne doesn't take good pics... =( 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 7:03:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AKJohnny]
[#14]
cryo_tech
Scorpion really looks good with Shockwave brace I see no reason to SBR it. 
btw where did you get the left side folding adapter? It does fit the Scorp... right. AK Johnny
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Posted: 6/22/2015 7:05:44 PM EDT
[#15]
30's still in stock at time of posting Greg Cote LLC
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Posted: 6/22/2015 7:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BGENE:
30's still in stock at time of posting Greg Cote LLC
By the time I finished registering they were gone.. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 7:40:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ImageX]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKJohnny:
cryo_tech Scorpion really looks good with Shockwave brace I see no reason to SBR it.
btw where did you get the left side folding adapter? It does fit the Scorp... right. AK Johnny
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg92/wdrodgers/Mobile%20Uploads/20150619_184048_zpskvwilsoj.jpg You can't legally shoulder a Shockwave... so there is a huge reason to SBR the Scorpion. |
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Posted: 6/22/2015 7:41:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Longboat:
By the time I finished registering they were gone.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Longboat:
Originally Posted By BGENE:
30's still in stock at time of posting Greg Cote LLC
By the time I finished registering they were gone.. They will get more, it seems they get a shipment every couple weeks, I missed the first couple announcements and got some last week. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 9:07:29 PM EDT
[#19]
I know but it still looks good and you can always
use your cheek or strap it to your arm. Evermore
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MO, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 9:23:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKJohnny:
I know but it still looks good and you can always use your cheek or strap it to your arm. Evermore ... but that's excessively lame.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 10:26:01 PM EDT
[#21]
QD mount from PMM. Still waiting on final design for the rear.
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Posted: 6/22/2015 10:51:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ImageX: QD mount from PMM. Still waiting on final design for the rear. http://imageshack.com/a/img673/6923/YKXEpB.jpg |
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Posted: 6/22/2015 11:00:29 PM EDT
[#23]
Managed to get an order in for 3 Cote's mags. Thanks for the tip.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 6/22/2015 11:10:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ToyCop:
I've got one of his QD mounts for my PS90. Nice stuff. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ToyCop:
Originally Posted By ImageX:
QD mount from PMM. Still waiting on final design for the rear. http://imageshack.com/a/img673/6923/YKXEpB.jpg Yeah, he does great work. I run his QD mounts on my Scar 17 and like them alot. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 8:13:49 AM EDT
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This is almost exactly the thing I wanted. Now if only somebody would take this thing and make it adaptable for glock magazines with the ability to add a side folder after the tax stamp. Hows the reliability?
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SD, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 8:27:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar:
This is almost exactly the thing I wanted. Now if only somebody would take this thing and make it adaptable for glock magazines with the ability to add a side folder after the tax stamp. Hows the reliability? Why? The CZ mags are very reliable and cheaper than glock mags. It does have a side folding stock, just waiting for CZ to make a 922r compliance kit with the stock included, should be released late summer. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 11:18:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking:
Why? The CZ mags are very reliable and cheaper than glock mags. It does have a side folding stock, just waiting for CZ to make a 922r compliance kit with the stock included, should be released late summer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking:
Originally Posted By Woffar:
This is almost exactly the thing I wanted. Now if only somebody would take this thing and make it adaptable for glock magazines with the ability to add a side folder after the tax stamp. Hows the reliability? Why? The CZ mags are very reliable and cheaper than glock mags. It does have a side folding stock, just waiting for CZ to make a 922r compliance kit with the stock included, should be released late summer. They are a few more dollars for a couple more rounds. I hope you see the benefit of only having to buy magazine for everything. There is a huge market for this if only we could get something other than 1200 ar platforms with buffer tubes or a 16" keltec. If another cz like model was brought forth that accepted glock magazines it could sell for a 100 dollars more and still outsell the evo 3, 3 to 1. Or even better a model that accepts known triggers for 250 more. I still may get the scorpion because it looks like it fits the bill. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 11:41:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar:
They are a few more dollars for a couple more rounds. I hope you see the benefit of only having to buy magazine for everything. There is a huge market for this if only we could get something other than 1200 ar platforms with buffer tubes or a 16" keltec. If another cz like model was brought forth that accepted glock magazines it could sell for a 100 dollars more and still outsell the evo 3, 3 to 1. Or even better a model that accepts known triggers for 250 more. I still may get the scorpion because it looks like it fits the bill. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar:
Originally Posted By Hking:
Originally Posted By Woffar:
This is almost exactly the thing I wanted. Now if only somebody would take this thing and make it adaptable for glock magazines with the ability to add a side folder after the tax stamp. Hows the reliability? Why? The CZ mags are very reliable and cheaper than glock mags. It does have a side folding stock, just waiting for CZ to make a 922r compliance kit with the stock included, should be released late summer. They are a few more dollars for a couple more rounds. I hope you see the benefit of only having to buy magazine for everything. There is a huge market for this if only we could get something other than 1200 ar platforms with buffer tubes or a 16" keltec. If another cz like model was brought forth that accepted glock magazines it could sell for a 100 dollars more and still outsell the evo 3, 3 to 1. Or even better a model that accepts known triggers for 250 more. I still may get the scorpion because it looks like it fits the bill. I'd rather see Magpul bring a polymer mag with metal feed lips for the CZ, but that's probably never gonna happen |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 12:00:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GTHKTX:
I'd rather see Magpul bring a polymer mag with metal feed lips for the CZ, but that's probably never gonna happen That's an awfully strange thing to want out of Magpul. Lancer would be your best bet for polymer mags with metal feed lips but they're in Sig's pocket with the $70 MPX mags. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 12:01:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Several have folding stocks now. You can add a folding hinge to the sb15 adapter and fold to your hearts content with the sb15 and then when the stamp comes in change it to a real AR stock and there ya go.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar:
This is almost exactly the thing I wanted. Now if only somebody would take this thing and make it adaptable for glock magazines with the ability to add a side folder after the tax stamp. Hows the reliability? |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 3:19:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar:
They are a few more dollars for a couple more rounds. I hope you see the benefit of only having to buy magazine for everything. There is a huge market for this if only we could get something other than 1200 ar platforms with buffer tubes or a 16" keltec. If another cz like model was brought forth that accepted glock magazines it could sell for a 100 dollars more and still outsell the evo 3, 3 to 1. Or even better a model that accepts known triggers for 250 more. I still may get the scorpion because it looks like it fits the bill. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar:
Originally Posted By Hking:
Originally Posted By Woffar:
This is almost exactly the thing I wanted. Now if only somebody would take this thing and make it adaptable for glock magazines with the ability to add a side folder after the tax stamp. Hows the reliability? Why? The CZ mags are very reliable and cheaper than glock mags. It does have a side folding stock, just waiting for CZ to make a 922r compliance kit with the stock included, should be released late summer. They are a few more dollars for a couple more rounds. I hope you see the benefit of only having to buy magazine for everything. There is a huge market for this if only we could get something other than 1200 ar platforms with buffer tubes or a 16" keltec. If another cz like model was brought forth that accepted glock magazines it could sell for a 100 dollars more and still outsell the evo 3, 3 to 1. Or even better a model that accepts known triggers for 250 more. I still may get the scorpion because it looks like it fits the bill. A PCC taking pistol mags is a total turn-off for me - capacity is a huge part of what makes me want PCCs. Those 30+ round Glock mags are novelties. As for the trigger.................... basically what you're saying is you want an AR-15 that takes Glock mags. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 3:40:17 PM EDT
[#32]
More ignorant questions. My buddies and I all have Scorpions in bound. You guys have pretty much convinced me that a 3-lug suppressor mount is the way to go. And you have convinced me that the Octane is the suppressor I should be focusing on. So, I understand that I will need a 3-lug adaptor (such as the one by Manticor) to convert the funky threads on the scorpion. But then do I need a special piston or adapter on the Octane itself for mounting to the 3-lug adapter? (I see that SilencerCo sells a 3-lug octane mount for $137.)
So it appears that I need to purchase the 3-lug adapter for the scorpion, the octane suppressor itself, AND THEN spend another $137 for the 3-lug mount if 3-lug mounting is the route I want to go. Do I have this correct? It is about as clear as mud to me right now. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 3:42:14 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
A PCC taking pistol mags is a total turn-off for me - capacity is a huge part of what makes me want PCCs. Those 30+ round Glock mags are novelties. As for the trigger.................... basically what you're saying is you want an AR-15 that takes Glock mags. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Woffar:
Originally Posted By Hking:
Originally Posted By Woffar:
This is almost exactly the thing I wanted. Now if only somebody would take this thing and make it adaptable for glock magazines with the ability to add a side folder after the tax stamp. Hows the reliability? Why? The CZ mags are very reliable and cheaper than glock mags. It does have a side folding stock, just waiting for CZ to make a 922r compliance kit with the stock included, should be released late summer. They are a few more dollars for a couple more rounds. I hope you see the benefit of only having to buy magazine for everything. There is a huge market for this if only we could get something other than 1200 ar platforms with buffer tubes or a 16" keltec. If another cz like model was brought forth that accepted glock magazines it could sell for a 100 dollars more and still outsell the evo 3, 3 to 1. Or even better a model that accepts known triggers for 250 more. I still may get the scorpion because it looks like it fits the bill. A PCC taking pistol mags is a total turn-off for me - capacity is a huge part of what makes me want PCCs. Those 30+ round Glock mags are novelties. As for the trigger.................... basically what you're saying is you want an AR-15 that takes Glock mags. TNW ASP, $800, takes Glock mags LDR9, $550, takes Glock mags POF PSG, $1000, takes Colt mags There are plenty of options out there... |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 4:14:48 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA:
More ignorant questions. My buddies and I all have Scorpions in bound. You guys have pretty much convinced me that a 3-lug suppressor mount is the way to go. And you have convinced me that the Octane is the suppressor I should be focusing on. So, I understand that I will need a 3-lug adaptor (such as the one by Manticor) to convert the funky threads on the scorpion. But then do I need a special piston or adapter on the Octane itself for mounting to the 3-lug adapter? (I see that SilencerCo sells a 3-lug octane mount for $137.) So it appears that I need to purchase the 3-lug adapter for the scorpion, the octane suppressor itself, AND THEN spend another $137 for the 3-lug mount if 3-lug mounting is the route I want to go. Do I have this correct? It is about as clear as mud to me right now. Correct. I did the same thing. It is expensive up front. But the better option IMHO. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 4:18:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
TNW ASP, $800, takes Glock mags LDR9, $550, takes Glock mags POF PSG, $1000, takes Colt mags There are plenty of options out there... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Originally Posted By Woffar:
Originally Posted By Hking:
Originally Posted By Woffar:
This is almost exactly the thing I wanted. Now if only somebody would take this thing and make it adaptable for glock magazines with the ability to add a side folder after the tax stamp. Hows the reliability? Why? The CZ mags are very reliable and cheaper than glock mags. It does have a side folding stock, just waiting for CZ to make a 922r compliance kit with the stock included, should be released late summer. They are a few more dollars for a couple more rounds. I hope you see the benefit of only having to buy magazine for everything. There is a huge market for this if only we could get something other than 1200 ar platforms with buffer tubes or a 16" keltec. If another cz like model was brought forth that accepted glock magazines it could sell for a 100 dollars more and still outsell the evo 3, 3 to 1. Or even better a model that accepts known triggers for 250 more. I still may get the scorpion because it looks like it fits the bill. A PCC taking pistol mags is a total turn-off for me - capacity is a huge part of what makes me want PCCs. Those 30+ round Glock mags are novelties. As for the trigger.................... basically what you're saying is you want an AR-15 that takes Glock mags. TNW ASP, $800, takes Glock mags LDR9, $550, takes Glock mags POF PSG, $1000, takes Colt mags There are plenty of options out there... More buffer tubes that do not fit the criteria. How can you call a magazine with an almost perfect reliability rate a massive manufacturing base behind it and a legion of happy glock 9mm 33rd owners a novelty? The trigger does not even concern me but just a suggestion for sales. Anything with a quick reset would do well. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 4:27:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: More ignorant questions. My buddies and I all have Scorpions in bound. You guys have pretty much convinced me that a 3-lug suppressor mount is the way to go. And you have convinced me that the Octane is the suppressor I should be focusing on. So, I understand that I will need a 3-lug adaptor (such as the one by Manticor) to convert the funky threads on the scorpion. But then do I need a special piston or adapter on the Octane itself for mounting to the 3-lug adapter? (I see that SilencerCo sells a 3-lug octane mount for $137.) So it appears that I need to purchase the 3-lug adapter for the scorpion, the octane suppressor itself, AND THEN spend another $137 for the 3-lug mount if 3-lug mounting is the route I want to go. Do I have this correct? It is about as clear as mud to me right now. 3 lug barrels are definitely handy. They retain the can very well and you dont have to worry about them unscrewing. When you put a threaded 3 lug adapter on a barrel, you lose the main benefit of the 3 lug coupler -- retention. If you were to say that your three lug adapter doesnt unthread, then a traditional threaded mount wouldnt either. So basically, you only gain that quick, efficient QD ability (which Ill admit is nice). Also, most 3 lug mounts have a significant amount of play. If youve never done it, mount your can on one of your other 3 lug barrels, and push up and down on the can. Youll see right away that there is a good bit of slop. If you add that slop to the slop youve already got when you use an adapter, you end up with a much higher chance of endcap strikes. Im not trying to scare anyone or say that the 3 lug mounts wont work, but you will definitely run a higher risk of problems. I wont personally use adapters. If I wanted 3 lug that bad, I would pull the barrel and have it machined that way. Or wait for an aftermarket one. My two cents. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 4:28:52 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar:
More buffer tubes that do not fit the criteria. If you didn't need it to fire while folded, there's always the LAW adapter... |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 4:30:04 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Well, the 3 lug is not always the best option. 3 lug barrels are definitely handy. They retain the can very well and you dont have to worry about them unscrewing. When you put a threaded 3 lug adapter on a barrel, you lose the main benefit of the 3 lug coupler -- retention. If you were to say that your three lug adapter doesnt unthread, then a traditional threaded mount wouldnt either. So basically, you only gain that quick, efficient QD ability (which Ill admit is nice). Also, most 3 lug mounts have a significant amount of play. If youve never done it, mount your can on one of your other 3 lug barrels, and push up and down on the can. Youll see right away that there is a good bit of slop. If you add that slop to the slop youve already got when you use an adapter, you end up with a much higher chance of endcap strikes. Im not trying to scare anyone or say that the 3 lug mounts wont work, but you will definitely run a higher risk of problems. I wont personally use adapters. If I wanted 3 lug that bad, I would pull the barrel and have it machined that way. Or wait for an aftermarket one. My two cents. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By USMC_JA:
More ignorant questions. My buddies and I all have Scorpions in bound. You guys have pretty much convinced me that a 3-lug suppressor mount is the way to go. And you have convinced me that the Octane is the suppressor I should be focusing on. So, I understand that I will need a 3-lug adaptor (such as the one by Manticor) to convert the funky threads on the scorpion. But then do I need a special piston or adapter on the Octane itself for mounting to the 3-lug adapter? (I see that SilencerCo sells a 3-lug octane mount for $137.) So it appears that I need to purchase the 3-lug adapter for the scorpion, the octane suppressor itself, AND THEN spend another $137 for the 3-lug mount if 3-lug mounting is the route I want to go. Do I have this correct? It is about as clear as mud to me right now. 3 lug barrels are definitely handy. They retain the can very well and you dont have to worry about them unscrewing. When you put a threaded 3 lug adapter on a barrel, you lose the main benefit of the 3 lug coupler -- retention. If you were to say that your three lug adapter doesnt unthread, then a traditional threaded mount wouldnt either. So basically, you only gain that quick, efficient QD ability (which Ill admit is nice). Also, most 3 lug mounts have a significant amount of play. If youve never done it, mount your can on one of your other 3 lug barrels, and push up and down on the can. Youll see right away that there is a good bit of slop. If you add that slop to the slop youve already got when you use an adapter, you end up with a much higher chance of endcap strikes. Im not trying to scare anyone or say that the 3 lug mounts wont work, but you will definitely run a higher risk of problems. I wont personally use adapters. If I wanted 3 lug that bad, I would pull the barrel and have it machined that way. Or wait for an aftermarket one. My two cents. What is Rocksett?? |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 4:38:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2015 4:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertmegar: What is Rocksett?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertmegar: Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg: Originally Posted By USMC_JA: More ignorant questions. My buddies and I all have Scorpions in bound. You guys have pretty much convinced me that a 3-lug suppressor mount is the way to go. And you have convinced me that the Octane is the suppressor I should be focusing on. So, I understand that I will need a 3-lug adaptor (such as the one by Manticor) to convert the funky threads on the scorpion. But then do I need a special piston or adapter on the Octane itself for mounting to the 3-lug adapter? (I see that SilencerCo sells a 3-lug octane mount for $137.) So it appears that I need to purchase the 3-lug adapter for the scorpion, the octane suppressor itself, AND THEN spend another $137 for the 3-lug mount if 3-lug mounting is the route I want to go. Do I have this correct? It is about as clear as mud to me right now. 3 lug barrels are definitely handy. They retain the can very well and you dont have to worry about them unscrewing. When you put a threaded 3 lug adapter on a barrel, you lose the main benefit of the 3 lug coupler -- retention. If you were to say that your three lug adapter doesnt unthread, then a traditional threaded mount wouldnt either. So basically, you only gain that quick, efficient QD ability (which Ill admit is nice). Also, most 3 lug mounts have a significant amount of play. If youve never done it, mount your can on one of your other 3 lug barrels, and push up and down on the can. Youll see right away that there is a good bit of slop. If you add that slop to the slop youve already got when you use an adapter, you end up with a much higher chance of endcap strikes. Im not trying to scare anyone or say that the 3 lug mounts wont work, but you will definitely run a higher risk of problems. I wont personally use adapters. If I wanted 3 lug that bad, I would pull the barrel and have it machined that way. Or wait for an aftermarket one. My two cents. What is Rocksett?? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2015 4:53:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Rocksett doesnt remove the slop from the adapter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
What is Rocksett?? Gents...I appreciate the discussion. When you say adapter in this context, you mean the part that is attached to the can, correct? I assume rocksetting the thread adaptor to the barrel removes any possible "slop" from that end. But I may not be understanding this correctly either. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 5:20:40 PM EDT
[#42]
Manticore's 3 lug will index off the factory pin.
I don't see it as an issue. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 5:22:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: Gents...I appreciate the discussion. When you say adapter in this context, you mean the part that is attached to the can, correct? I assume rocksetting the thread adaptor to the barrel removes any possible "slop" from that end. But I may not be understanding this correctly either. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg: Originally Posted By robertmegar: What is Rocksett?? Gents...I appreciate the discussion. When you say adapter in this context, you mean the part that is attached to the can, correct? I assume rocksetting the thread adaptor to the barrel removes any possible "slop" from that end. But I may not be understanding this correctly either. Rocksett is great stuff, but it doesnt take slop out of the adapter. Its a thread locker that is used to keep components from unthreading due to vibration. The slop Im refering to occurs whenever two threaded components are coupled. Even though the 18mm thread the CZ uses requires parts to index on the muzzle, you still have slight misalignment anytime you thread two components together. So, you have a 3 lug adapter that threads onto your pistol. The 3 lug mount for your can then couples onto that. The can itself is then threaded onto that mount. Basically, you have three points where tolerances can stack up and wreak havoc, vs. only two if you just use an 18mm direct mount (which you could also Rocksett if you wanted). I dont mean to imply that youre going to tear up your stuff using these parts. It just increases the risk you take, thats all. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 5:24:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: Manticore's 3 lug will index off the factory pin. I don't see it as an issue. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 6:02:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Rocksett doesnt remove the slop from the adapter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By robertmegar:
Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg:
Originally Posted By USMC_JA:
More ignorant questions. My buddies and I all have Scorpions in bound. You guys have pretty much convinced me that a 3-lug suppressor mount is the way to go. And you have convinced me that the Octane is the suppressor I should be focusing on. So, I understand that I will need a 3-lug adaptor (such as the one by Manticor) to convert the funky threads on the scorpion. But then do I need a special piston or adapter on the Octane itself for mounting to the 3-lug adapter? (I see that SilencerCo sells a 3-lug octane mount for $137.) So it appears that I need to purchase the 3-lug adapter for the scorpion, the octane suppressor itself, AND THEN spend another $137 for the 3-lug mount if 3-lug mounting is the route I want to go. Do I have this correct? It is about as clear as mud to me right now. 3 lug barrels are definitely handy. They retain the can very well and you dont have to worry about them unscrewing. When you put a threaded 3 lug adapter on a barrel, you lose the main benefit of the 3 lug coupler -- retention. If you were to say that your three lug adapter doesnt unthread, then a traditional threaded mount wouldnt either. So basically, you only gain that quick, efficient QD ability (which Ill admit is nice). Also, most 3 lug mounts have a significant amount of play. If youve never done it, mount your can on one of your other 3 lug barrels, and push up and down on the can. Youll see right away that there is a good bit of slop. If you add that slop to the slop youve already got when you use an adapter, you end up with a much higher chance of endcap strikes. Im not trying to scare anyone or say that the 3 lug mounts wont work, but you will definitely run a higher risk of problems. I wont personally use adapters. If I wanted 3 lug that bad, I would pull the barrel and have it machined that way. Or wait for an aftermarket one. My two cents. What is Rocksett?? Whatever you call slop, it doesn't matter for any measurable performance or safety issue. See the tens of thousands MP5 issued with three lugs used on service or on NFA owners with no pervasive problem. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 8:54:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar: More buffer tubes that do not fit the criteria. How can you call a magazine with an almost perfect reliability rate a massive manufacturing base behind it and a legion of happy glock 9mm 33rd owners a novelty? The trigger does not even concern me but just a suggestion for sales. Anything with a quick reset would do well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woffar: Originally Posted By RDTCU: Originally Posted By vellnueve: Originally Posted By Woffar: Originally Posted By Hking: Why? The CZ mags are very reliable and cheaper than glock mags. It does have a side folding stock, just waiting for CZ to make a 922r compliance kit with the stock included, should be released late summer. They are a few more dollars for a couple more rounds. I hope you see the benefit of only having to buy magazine for everything. There is a huge market for this if only we could get something other than 1200 ar platforms with buffer tubes or a 16" keltec. If another cz like model was brought forth that accepted glock magazines it could sell for a 100 dollars more and still outsell the evo 3, 3 to 1. Or even better a model that accepts known triggers for 250 more. I still may get the scorpion because it looks like it fits the bill. A PCC taking pistol mags is a total turn-off for me - capacity is a huge part of what makes me want PCCs. Those 30+ round Glock mags are novelties. As for the trigger.................... basically what you're saying is you want an AR-15 that takes Glock mags. TNW ASP, $800, takes Glock mags LDR9, $550, takes Glock mags POF PSG, $1000, takes Colt mags There are plenty of options out there... More buffer tubes that do not fit the criteria. How can you call a magazine with an almost perfect reliability rate a massive manufacturing base behind it and a legion of happy glock 9mm 33rd owners a novelty? The trigger does not even concern me but just a suggestion for sales. Anything with a quick reset would do well. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertmegar: Whatever you call slop, it doesn't matter for any measurable performance or safety issue. See the tens of thousands MP5 issued with three lugs used on service or on NFA owners with no pervasive problem. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertmegar: Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg: Originally Posted By robertmegar: Originally Posted By TurkeyLeg: Originally Posted By USMC_JA: More ignorant questions. My buddies and I all have Scorpions in bound. You guys have pretty much convinced me that a 3-lug suppressor mount is the way to go. And you have convinced me that the Octane is the suppressor I should be focusing on. So, I understand that I will need a 3-lug adaptor (such as the one by Manticor) to convert the funky threads on the scorpion. But then do I need a special piston or adapter on the Octane itself for mounting to the 3-lug adapter? (I see that SilencerCo sells a 3-lug octane mount for $137.) So it appears that I need to purchase the 3-lug adapter for the scorpion, the octane suppressor itself, AND THEN spend another $137 for the 3-lug mount if 3-lug mounting is the route I want to go. Do I have this correct? It is about as clear as mud to me right now. 3 lug barrels are definitely handy. They retain the can very well and you dont have to worry about them unscrewing. When you put a threaded 3 lug adapter on a barrel, you lose the main benefit of the 3 lug coupler -- retention. If you were to say that your three lug adapter doesnt unthread, then a traditional threaded mount wouldnt either. So basically, you only gain that quick, efficient QD ability (which Ill admit is nice). Also, most 3 lug mounts have a significant amount of play. If youve never done it, mount your can on one of your other 3 lug barrels, and push up and down on the can. Youll see right away that there is a good bit of slop. If you add that slop to the slop youve already got when you use an adapter, you end up with a much higher chance of endcap strikes. Im not trying to scare anyone or say that the 3 lug mounts wont work, but you will definitely run a higher risk of problems. I wont personally use adapters. If I wanted 3 lug that bad, I would pull the barrel and have it machined that way. Or wait for an aftermarket one. My two cents. What is Rocksett?? Whatever you call slop, it doesn't matter for any measurable performance or safety issue. See the tens of thousands MP5 issued with three lugs used on service or on NFA owners with no pervasive problem. I honestly dont think you read or understood my post. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 10:28:40 PM EDT
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Here is my contribution to the thread, just got it today very happy with it.
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Posted: 6/23/2015 10:40:09 PM EDT
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Has anybody picked up the CZ adjustable sights? Any reviews floating around on them?
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Posted: 6/23/2015 10:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mecha_Loopy:
Has anybody picked up the CZ adjustable sights? Any reviews floating around on them? I have a set but haven't put them on. |
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