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Posted: 6/5/2016 12:50:31 PM EDT
Thinking of getting one of the newer Remmy/Marlin 1894 in  44 Mag. With a descent 4x scope what groups should I expect to get at 100 yds. ,out of the box with factory ammo, like WWB 240 JSP ?  -Thanks
Link Posted: 6/5/2016 3:35:12 PM EDT
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probably about 5" groups
Link Posted: 6/5/2016 6:17:00 PM EDT
[#2]
I'd be more inclined to hope for 3" or 4", unless Remlins are worse than I imagine they are.
Link Posted: 6/6/2016 12:22:19 AM EDT
[#3]
Good enough to hit pop cans at ~50 yards, if that tells you anything.
Link Posted: 6/6/2016 10:56:56 AM EDT
[#4]
A decent one would get 2-3" with a load it likes. A new Remlin; would not touch one.
Link Posted: 6/6/2016 11:02:44 AM EDT
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A decent one would get 2-3" with a load it likes. A new Remlin; would not touch one.
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I've heard that the build quality has gone way up lately.

 
Link Posted: 6/6/2016 3:34:30 PM EDT
[#6]
Wow, doesn't seem  worth the risk for dropping $550-$600 on a rifle that will shoot 3-5 MOA with a scope at best.
Link Posted: 6/6/2016 4:15:39 PM EDT
[#7]
They're better with loads that they like, WWB isnt the best ammo accuracy wise normally, 2-3 moa is pretty likely with good ammo/reloads but mine are all marlins and winchester
Link Posted: 6/6/2016 5:55:31 PM EDT
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Accuracy can be problematic in lever actions, due to the magazine hung under the barrel, and the changing vibrations as the number of cartridges in the magazine changes.
Link Posted: 6/6/2016 8:26:49 PM EDT
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My Remlin 1894, made in 2012, shoots just fine, can bust clays on the berm at 100 yds. Likes Fiocchi 240gr jsp for factory loads. Handloads, starline brass, cci primer and ~20-22 gr ramshot enforcer or hodgdon lil gun  under 240gr xtp shoots just as well with a little bit more punch. Remember its not a precision rifle, does what it's designed to do very well. Btw fit and finish is very good, nice wood and so far no cycling issues.
Link Posted: 6/6/2016 9:53:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/7/2016 5:09:51 PM EDT
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I'll never get another.  

Had a JM stamped 1894 that was 5 MOA on its best day, scoped, with reloads.  

Some ammo was substantially worse.  

I have an iron sighted 1892 Winchester that would easily outshoot it.  With any ammo.
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I suspect your reloads were something it didn't like.

Rifles can be fussy.

Link Posted: 6/7/2016 7:01:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/7/2016 7:42:19 PM EDT
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You'd be surprised at the load workup and development I went through to obtain that level of "accuracy"

This ain't my first rodeo


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I'll never get another.  

Had a JM stamped 1894 that was 5 MOA on its best day, scoped, with reloads.  

Some ammo was substantially worse.  

I have an iron sighted 1892 Winchester that would easily outshoot it.  With any ammo.


I suspect your reloads were something it didn't like.

Rifles can be fussy.



You'd be surprised at the load workup and development I went through to obtain that level of "accuracy"

This ain't my first rodeo




Never said it was.

Then if you put that much into it, obviously the rifle was a turd.

Link Posted: 6/7/2016 8:50:40 PM EDT
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I have one, 3" no problem maybe better depending on you and what you put through it. Took a little buck in Maine last year, about 50 yards away, hits like a ton of bricks.
Link Posted: 6/7/2016 9:18:09 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/7/2016 9:22:02 PM EDT
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Wow, doesn't seem  worth the risk for dropping $550-$600 on a rifle that will shoot 3-5 MOA with a scope at best.
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My 10 year old 16" 1894P will keep 5 shots in 3" 100yds without much trouble.

 



I wouldn't get too bent out of shape on 3-5" MOA thing, it is shooting a bullet with aerodynamics of a 50's Chevrolet so you aren't going to be shooting more than 100 yds before it loses it's ass.




The other thing to consider with these is that the recoil is not negligible on hot hunting loads. I loaded up some 180's at 2300fPS (Max load for H110) and let me tell you that was stout.
Link Posted: 6/8/2016 9:32:06 AM EDT
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You'd be surprised at the load workup and development I went through to obtain that level of "accuracy"



This ain't my first rodeo





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I'll never get another.  



Had a JM stamped 1894 that was 5 MOA on its best day, scoped, with reloads.  



Some ammo was substantially worse.  



I have an iron sighted 1892 Winchester that would easily outshoot it.  With any ammo.




I suspect your reloads were something it didn't like.



Rifles can be fussy.






You'd be surprised at the load workup and development I went through to obtain that level of "accuracy"



This ain't my first rodeo





My first 1894 (JM) was sent back to the factory for keyholing everything. When it came back the best I could get was 7-8" at 100 so yeah, bad JM's are out there. Fortunately the one I have now is a good one.



 
Link Posted: 6/9/2016 7:32:50 PM EDT
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I had a 73 Octagon that would cloverleaf at 50 yards with peep sites and hit golf balls at 100 yards with reloads.  I wouldn't touch a new one though, way too many horror stories out there to risk the chance.  Find an older one if you can.
Link Posted: 6/25/2016 2:08:20 PM EDT
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I just got back from the range with a 1984 Marlin .44 that I just bought. At 25yds, I shot a 1" group with the first two sharing a hole. I know that'll open up a bit over 100 yds but not bad for a rifle that induces a little flinch. I put my paws on a brand new Marlington/Remlin (whatever) 1894 in .44 that was on the shelf and it was tight. The wood looked good, fit and finish was nice and sights were straight. Action was a little stiff but that's expected with a new one. I think their quality is on the rise. The one I looked at looked great.



roy d...but the proof is at the range not the shelf
Link Posted: 6/29/2016 11:13:41 PM EDT
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I have a year old "Remlin" Fit and finish are excellent and I have no problem busting clay targets at 100 yrds. On paper it will do 21/2" or less all day long. YMMV
Link Posted: 7/3/2016 11:41:58 PM EDT
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I would expect 3 inch groups which is good for any game you might hunt with that rifle.   I use a quality 240 gr jacketed bullet with the Winchester recommended load of 296 powder as an accuracy standard.   If that load does not work, it is probably the fault of the gun.

Link Posted: 7/14/2016 11:53:45 PM EDT
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4-5" MOA all damn day!!    Unfortunately mine is the same as most, 4-5" with a 4x leupold. The remington 180s seem to shoot the best in mine, I haven't had time to load for it yet. I can get a decient 3 shot group but by the time I get all 5 shot it ends up being 4-5"  had some smaller not on average.
Link Posted: 7/15/2016 1:29:25 PM EDT
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I see on the Marlin site that the twist rate for the .44 Magnum is 1-38", which to me seems a bit slow.

 Regarding accuracy, and only as a comparison, my 1873 Uberti .44 Magnum does a little over 2" @ 100 yds. with the factory irons and my 50+ year old eyes.. FWIW it has a 1-20" twist.
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