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Posted: 7/26/2014 7:20:18 PM EDT
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Is it a secret? Not really. But then again, how much information do you want potential bad guys to be able to learn from the comfort of their computers?
I'm not really a big fan of manufacturers keeping this information, as most manufacturers do not have nearly the security that they should have protecting that information. At the same time, it usually doesn't do much good to give a master code to an end user either. After all, if they can't keep track of their combination, they likely won't be able to keep track of that code either. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 1:50:43 PM EDT
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For the life of me, I cannot understand why people start this kind of thread. Unless, of course, their purposes are nefarious.
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Posted: 7/29/2014 6:15:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the life of me, I cannot understand why people start this kind of thread. Unless, of course, their purposes are nefarious. Because people like me which own Fort Knox products would like to have all the info regarding my lock. I already spoke with my dealer and he will be providing me my MRC as I am the owner and all ID and paper work has been verified. |
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Posted: 7/29/2014 9:39:31 PM EDT
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. I already spoke with my dealer and he will be providing me my MRC as I am the owner and all ID and paper work has been verified. Why does your dealer have that information? |
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Posted: 7/30/2014 6:22:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why does your dealer have that information? Quote HistoryQuoted: . I already spoke with my dealer and he will be providing me my MRC as I am the owner and all ID and paper work has been verified. Why does your dealer have that information? |
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Posted: 8/1/2014 9:01:55 PM EDT
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S&G labels the locks for OEMs with the MRC. They do NOT keep the records, and the locks are not serialized to track MRC. They leave it to the manufacturer to do this, if they choose to. S&G will not have the MRC, but the manufacturer "might". We (AMSEC) place a serial number on the Keypad Base, and record the MRC for every lock we sell or install. Only registered and verified Techs are provided with the codes. End users can not get factory codes or combinations.
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Posted: 9/9/2014 3:05:56 PM EDT
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I believe that there may be some confusion of terminology in this thread as to the function of the Master code vs. the MRC-Management Reset Code with the S&G locks in question. Different brand locks use different terminology easily confusing the matter, for example other locks use the term “Manager Code” to describe essentially the same functions that S&G applies to the “Master code”.
The Master code is used to open the lock and set or change all of its user codes. The MRC code is used to recover the system in the event the master code is unknown. Fort Knox does not provide the MRC code with new Vaults, but of course each owner is provided with the required Master code. Maintaining the MRC is critical to providing the quality of service, and lifetime parts and labor lock warranty our Vault owners receive. The situation may be as simple as forgetfulness, as inconvenient as a lock failure, or as serious as the loss of a family member; regardless of the cause the MRC plays a part in the solution. In the event of an unknown code a verification process is in place to allow for recovery of access without drilling. In the event of a reported failure the MRC allows a means of verifying that the problem is not caused by an unknown-unknown code. An example is when an owner calls in because they’re not able to open their Vault, they remember that same code working last time they opened it back in ‘92. Before we dispatch a tech to drill the Vault it is prudent to verify an actual defect by utilizing the MRC. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 4:01:23 PM EDT
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Fort Knox mechanical lock for the win
TXL ETA, welcome to ARFCOM FRTKNX Question for FRTKNX. Have you guys ever had a warrant presented for master codes to enter a specific safe? |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 5:06:55 PM EDT
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Question for FRTKNX. Have you guys ever had a warrant presented for master codes to enter a specific safe? We have not. I don’t believe they are motivated to go through the hassle to attempt a non-invasive opening. I do recall one of our Vaults that had been turned into Swiss cheese by a supposed “Safe Tech” called in by LE during a search. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 5:33:58 PM EDT
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We have not. I don’t believe they are motivated to go through the hassle to attempt a non-invasive opening. I do recall one of our Vaults that had been turned into Swiss cheese by a supposed “Safe Tech” called in by LE during a search. I have never heard of law enforcement contacting a manufacturer. If they suspect a safe, the safe is usually mentioned specifically in the warrant. When they get there, assuming somebody is around, they'll ask nicely for the combination. If you don't give it to them, they don't really care what it takes to get into it. Some agencies have their own techs within their ranks. Others will call in guys like me. Sometimes they call the fire department and take the jaws to it. They're usually in a hurry, so they'll go with whatever option is faster/cheaper. |
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Posted: 9/9/2014 10:06:15 PM EDT
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We have been engaged with Law Enforcement agencies many times. With high security safes, both residential and commercial, it's not uncommon to see drug and other high value situations where we get pulled into the game.
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Posted: 9/9/2014 11:24:39 PM EDT
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We have been engaged with Law Enforcement agencies many times. With high security safes, both residential and commercial, it's not uncommon to see drug and other high value situations where we get pulled into the game. Are you guys flying out techs to open them? Almost every warrant that I have ever been involved with is started and over with within a few hours. The agencies working the really good stuff have their own guys in house, and don't ask many people for help. When they do need help, there's a few super-techs on their contact list. The guys who do need help want in and out, and usually are. I can't see them waiting around for a manufacturer to return a call, especially considering that call won't open the safe. Then again, stranger things have happened. Maybe some of these agencies calling are hoping that the dumb criminal mail ordered his safe and that the manufacturer will give them the combo. More often than not, around here at least, the bad guy gives it up when asked. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 10:34:58 AM EDT
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Question for FRTKNX. Have you guys ever had a warrant presented for master codes to enter a specific safe? We are very particular about protecting our client’s privacy and security; and even though we have tremendous respect for law enforcement agencies, we choose not to give out the information. There are processes in place, such as a subpoena, that if LE wanted to go through the “hassle” they could use to require compliance. Search warrants are served normally to gather evidence to convict, not to find evidence on the convicted. With this in mind it is felt that our clients are best served making their own decisions as to disseminating the code or not. |
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Posted: 9/10/2014 12:42:27 PM EDT
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Our involvement with LEO is not usually to assist with openings, but we do occasionally get calls from the Locksmith onsite at a crime scene that contacts our service desk asking for drill points or factory combo/codes. If the locksmith or tech is a verified factory certified and/or previously registered in our tech database, we will assist them as requested. We have a very robust process for verification, so only authorized techs get the help. Most of the guys that work in this field regularly have been registered in one way or another.
I have been teaching AMSEC certification courses for well over 20 years, and personally certified hundreds of field techs nation wide, many of them from Law Enforcement. The more common LEO interaction has been regarding commercial safes in crime investigations, where the operation of the safe controls are key elements in the events surrounding a robbery resulting in murder. We are also occasionally asked to provide expert opinions on video and photographic evidence where safes are involved in a crime, and they want our testimony regarding the nature of damage found on safes and the tools that may have been used. There are other issues that bring LEO to our door, but it is not uncommon at all. We do have 24-7 Tech Support, with a really quick call-back response time, so these calls get returned in minutes, if they aren't answered live. This 24-7 service is necessary with such a large commercial customer base, and essential in landing large commercial accounts that do business outside the 9 to 5 x 5 day work week. |
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