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This is all really overwhelming. After a series of car thefts and a home invasion in our neighborhood my wife has lit a fire under me to get a security camera system, understanding that a security camera is really more suited towards being a forensic device. If I want to get the outside of my home fully covered I will need ~6-7 cameras, by my estimation. If I buy a $1500-$2500 DIY 8 camera 1080p PoE kit is it going to be of decent-enough quality and features to make it worth it? Ideally we'd have something that could push notifications to our iPhones and all all that stuff. If I'm the kind of guy who wants a "set it and forget it" type of solution, am I better off hiring a pro than going the DIY route?
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Originally Posted By AR-Aggie:
This is all really overwhelming. After a series of car thefts and a home invasion in our neighborhood my wife has lit a fire under me to get a security camera system, understanding that a security camera is really more suited towards being a forensic device. If I want to get the outside of my home fully covered I will need ~6-7 cameras, by my estimation. If I buy a $1500-$2500 DIY 8 camera 1080p PoE kit is it worth it? If I'm the kind of guy who wants a "set it and forget it" type of solution, am I better off hiring a pro than going the DIY route? View Quote It's going to depend on what kind of house you have. A standard one-floor ranch with an open attic is a piece of cake... you could do that easily. A two-story home, multiple structures, or older home (especially with lath/plaster walls, or stone/etc construction) is a special kind of challenge, and you should definitely think professional. The newer 1080p systems are very doable, and the picture quality is miles ahead of the older, analog, system-in-a-box deals. ETA: and the 1080p system-in-a-box are pretty much plug-and-play. They take care of a lot of the networking for you... which is nice (if you're not a geek like me ) |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
It's going to depend on what kind of house you have. A standard one-floor ranch with an open attic is a piece of cake... you could do that easily. A two-story home, multiple structures, or older home (especially with lath/plaster walls, or stone/etc construction) is a special kind of challenge, and you should definitely think professional. The newer 1080p systems are very doable, and the picture quality is miles ahead of the older, analog, system-in-a-box deals. ETA: and the 1080p system-in-a-box are pretty much plug-and-play. They take care of a lot of the networking for you... which is nice (if you're not a geek like me ) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By AR-Aggie:
This is all really overwhelming. After a series of car thefts and a home invasion in our neighborhood my wife has lit a fire under me to get a security camera system, understanding that a security camera is really more suited towards being a forensic device. If I want to get the outside of my home fully covered I will need ~6-7 cameras, by my estimation. If I buy a $1500-$2500 DIY 8 camera 1080p PoE kit is it worth it? If I'm the kind of guy who wants a "set it and forget it" type of solution, am I better off hiring a pro than going the DIY route? It's going to depend on what kind of house you have. A standard one-floor ranch with an open attic is a piece of cake... you could do that easily. A two-story home, multiple structures, or older home (especially with lath/plaster walls, or stone/etc construction) is a special kind of challenge, and you should definitely think professional. The newer 1080p systems are very doable, and the picture quality is miles ahead of the older, analog, system-in-a-box deals. ETA: and the 1080p system-in-a-box are pretty much plug-and-play. They take care of a lot of the networking for you... which is nice (if you're not a geek like me ) Thanks, this is good to know. We've got a 1-story ranch so the cable runs shouldn't be too hard I don't think, and will give me an excuse to finish out laying down plywood in our attic. Everything will be mounted on the soffit except for the front/back door cameras, which will have to be mounted on brick (the ceilings on our front/back porch are way too high to mount a camera there and get a good picture of someone's face by my estimate). Are there any sites out there that cover camera placement and review systems? I also assume that all of these PoE cameras are running the same standard, so that if I decide I need a different type of camera in a given spot it will just work? Also, what about cloud storage options? I like the idea of having the DVR there in my house and not on some server in God-knows-where, but it doesn't do me much good if a thief steals the DVR too. Seems like a good solution would be a cloud service that ran on the back end in addition to my DVR and only stored say the last 24Hrs of video or whatever. Sorry to barrage you with these questions. Like I said, this is overwhelming. |
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Originally Posted By AR-Aggie:
Thanks, this is good to know. We've got a 1-story ranch so the cable runs shouldn't be too hard I don't think, and will give me an excuse to finish out laying down plywood in our attic. Everything will be mounted on the soffit except for the front/back door cameras, which will have to be mounted on brick (the ceilings on our front/back porch are way too high to mount a camera there and get a good picture of someone's face by my estimate). Are there any sites out there that cover camera placement and review systems? I also assume that all of these PoE cameras are running the same standard, so that if I decide I need a different type of camera in a given spot it will just work? Also, what about cloud storage options? I like the idea of having the DVR there in my house and not on some server in God-knows-where, but it doesn't do me much good if a thief steals the DVR too. Seems like a good solution would be a cloud service that ran on the back end in addition to my DVR and only stored say the last 24Hrs of video or whatever. Sorry to barrage you with these questions. Like I said, this is overwhelming. View Quote The wiring for you will be easy (open attic + soffits). The front-and-rear door may be harder, and in those circumstances you may want to go with a "Ring video doorbell" or similar solution. I've done regular doorbell+porch-mounted-camera (easier/cheap), but I've also done the Mobotix Doorstations. The latter will run over a regular set of bell-wire via Mobotix's proprietary 2-wire system... but a single setup like that (including camera, keypad, etc) would eat up most of your budget. Mobotix makes great stuff, but cheap they are not. PoE is simply a standard by which power and data are run over the same cable (a standard network cable, like you use to connect your home computer to your Linksys/Belkin/D-link router). It's used all over the 'net to connect wireless access points, phones, etc. It also works for cameras. There's no magic... the cabling is all the same. The only difference is the devices at either end. As for cloud-vs-local, I say get both. Do local storage for the bulk of your video (and consider hiding the DVR, or putting it in your gunsafe). I would ALSO set up email alerts, or an off-site FTP server (if you get tired of your phone buzzing). The latter can be done with any number of NAS units, or consumer-grade "network storage" type devices. The off-site option at least gives you something to use if thieves nick your DVR. |
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any of the Scwann Costco system you would still recommend, some of the older ones in other threads are no longer stocked.
looking for maybe 8 cameras, at least two on a remote switch in a separate building. Can you put redundant drive in these DVR systems? And how do these cameras do in cold northern temps? |
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GrayMan,
There are so many of these threads, and you so kindly post in nearly all of them -- if this information has been posted elsewhere, please forgive me for not being able to find it. I recall a post where you stated that you run a Core2Quad, 4GB RAM, Win10 and some camera software, monitoring some 15 cameras, etc. Wondering if you would mind posting some specifics, if you have them: - What resolution on the cameras, and at what frame rate? - Is the Core2Quad doing motion sensing, or is that offloaded to the cameras? - What model/speed Core2Quad? I've got several old systems around the house doing various things, and am in the process of repurposing one for a six or eight camera system running Zoneminder or motion, 1080p minimum on all cameras, trying to see if I can get by with what I have on hand or if a CPU or CPU/MB upgrade is in my future. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam:
GrayMan, There are so many of these threads, and you so kindly post in nearly all of them -- if this information has been posted elsewhere, please forgive me for not being able to find it. I recall a post where you stated that you run a Core2Quad, 4GB RAM, Win10 and some camera software, monitoring some 15 cameras, etc. Wondering if you would mind posting some specifics, if you have them: - What resolution on the cameras, and at what frame rate? - Is the Core2Quad doing motion sensing, or is that offloaded to the cameras? - What model/speed Core2Quad? I've got several old systems around the house doing various things, and am in the process of repurposing one for a six or eight camera system running Zoneminder or motion, 1080p minimum on all cameras, trying to see if I can get by with what I have on hand or if a CPU or CPU/MB upgrade is in my future. Thanks. View Quote Let me see if I can get you some better system specifics on my current server. I reverted it to windows 7 from Windows 10, since the software was crashing more frequently on Win10. It's recording about 45 megapixels worth of cameras (most are 3MP, a few are 2MP, a couple are 4MP or greater). It's on a gigabit network, with three remote daughter PoE switches that feed back to the main gigabit switch. It's a 2U rackmount server with an SSD system drive, and 3x3TB regular drives for video storage. The processor itself is a Core2Extreme X9650 running at 3GHz (four cores). It's only running 4GB of RAM, since it's a 32-bit OS (Win 7 Home Premium) Recording everything, with two remote clients running (one in my garage, and one in my study), it's running 40-50% load on all four cores. I don't do a lot of motion detection... I have most cameras recording on a schedule. |
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Originally Posted By tucansam:
GrayMan, There are so many of these threads, and you so kindly post in nearly all of them -- if this information has been posted elsewhere, please forgive me for not being able to find it. I recall a post where you stated that you run a Core2Quad, 4GB RAM, Win10 and some camera software, monitoring some 15 cameras, etc. Wondering if you would mind posting some specifics, if you have them: - What resolution on the cameras, and at what frame rate? - Is the Core2Quad doing motion sensing, or is that offloaded to the cameras? - What model/speed Core2Quad? I've got several old systems around the house doing various things, and am in the process of repurposing one for a six or eight camera system running Zoneminder or motion, 1080p minimum on all cameras, trying to see if I can get by with what I have on hand or if a CPU or CPU/MB upgrade is in my future. Thanks. View Quote You will MURDER ZoneMinder trying to do that at full resolution and framerate, especially high resolution ZoneMinder is not resource friendly. In order for that to work you'll need a recording software that does recording, not decoding then saving as jpg images like ZoneMinder does. Milestone, Exacq, Luxriot, etc etc. You can concurrently do lower resolution and framerate with ZoneMinder if you wish for notifications and alerting. That's how I run my setup is I record 24/7 on 5 cameras using Milestone using the full quality 3MP streams (although I wish I would have gone Luxriot, I liked it better), then have a separate Linux VM for ZoneMinder using only the low quality streams from the camera that does email alerting and publishes an HTTPS endpoint to the internet (I use cert auth, so I don't rely on ZoneMinder for security at all). I run everything off of a 1U server with 24 fairly slow cores and 128GB of ram running Server 2012r2 and Hyper-V and it has performed fine the last year or so (I also run a few other VMs off of it). I never got edge motion detection to work all that well on my Dahua cameras, certainly not for email alerts, that will make you go crazy, but ZM I can fine tune pretty well. I have alerts on my Front, Side/Garage Door, and Carport cameras and I typically get between 5-15 alerts per day with about a 85%+ hit rate depending on the weather and time of year. (Early spring occasionally the sun and some trees out front create shadows just perfect in front of the front door camera that makes the motion detection go nuts with alerts, but generally it works fine. |
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So ive got the single story 50s ranch, open attic.
My biggest issue is bugs. Looks like the IP 1080Ps box sets all have the included IR stuff which will get built over quick. What do you recommend for separate illuminatiors? The property is a 3/4 acre around the house with a long driveway. |
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Infrared gets pretty pricey... And reason why you wouldnt just use visible light?
My HOA doesn't really like big floodlights, which is why I went with mostly IR. |
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Same question, could use a flood IR illuminator with some reach. Recommend a brand?
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Originally Posted By JimTh:
Same question, could use a flood IR illuminator with some reach. Recommend a brand? View Quote I've found that cheap IR is OK for close-in area coverage (side of your house, inside garage, etc).... like some of the dome IR illuminators I've linked in a few of these threads. But serious distance, higher-power, or large area coverage? I've found that large commercial units are the best for that. None of the cheapies I've tried have worked out very well. The problem is that the brand-name serious IR units cost $$$, unless you can find them on Ebay for cheap. |
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I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this but has anyone had luck setting up the cloud service on Nelly's ION NVR? I have the 16 channel model and cannot get the cloud to register or see the NVR. I type in the serial number but keep getting the "Username does not meet the requirements" error when trying to add device. The username is admin which works fine when logging in directly on the NVR.
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Originally Posted By QwikKotaTx:
I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this but has anyone had luck setting up the cloud service on Nelly's ION NVR? I have the 16 channel model and cannot get the cloud to register or see the NVR. I type in the serial number but keep getting the "Username does not meet the requirements" error when trying to add device. The username is admin which works fine when logging in directly on the NVR. View Quote Did you try contacting Nelly's? They have pretty good tech support |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Did you try contacting Nelly's? They have pretty good tech support View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By QwikKotaTx:
I'm not sure if this is the right thread for this but has anyone had luck setting up the cloud service on Nelly's ION NVR? I have the 16 channel model and cannot get the cloud to register or see the NVR. I type in the serial number but keep getting the "Username does not meet the requirements" error when trying to add device. The username is admin which works fine when logging in directly on the NVR. Did you try contacting Nelly's? They have pretty good tech support Yes they do. I emailed them they are working on it. I was hoping someone else had a fix. Lot of people with good knowledge here. |
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That ring doorbell and camera setup looks pretty slick. 6-12 months on a charge for the batteries so no wiring required sounds too good to be true.
And $30/year isn't too bad for their cloud option. Have you actually used their stuff GrayMan? |
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
That ring doorbell and camera setup looks pretty slick. 6-12 months on a charge for the batteries so no wiring required sounds too good to be true. And $30/year isn't too bad for their cloud option. Have you actually used their stuff GrayMan? View Quote The last video doorbell I put in was a Mobotix Doorstation T-24. Works great, but $$$ I've never used the Ring stuff. |
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I've been doing some searching reviews on youtube and I'm not sure they can be trusted.
It looks like ring gave free gear and "sponsored" (i.e. paid for) reviews from a shitload of people with the condition that it be a positive review. |
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Originally Posted By dog-meat:
I've been doing some searching reviews on youtube and I'm not sure they can be trusted. It looks like ring gave free gear and "sponsored" (i.e. paid for) reviews from a shitload of people with the condition that it be a positive review. View Quote Yeah... that's not cool. |
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the netgear arlo cameras look decent too, but unfortunately they're battery power only.
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I bought one of the ring stick-up cams to try out. I figure I'll return it to amazon if it's crap.
Setup was very easy. It took me all of 10 minutes to get it connected to the router and screwed onto the wall outside. It has a motion detect mode that records clips and sends alerts to your phone upon motion. Seems to work, but I think I need to play with the sensitivity and zone settings to get it right. The live view mode lets you view the feed (through an app on your phone or a windows 10 application on your pc). Both modes provide audio and you can hit a button to talk through a speaker on the camera. For power, it came with a long USB cord with a weather seal on the end that goes in the camera. I don't see a good way to get that into an outlet inside the house without drilling holes so instead I used a shorter non sealed cable and just ran it down the wall to an outdoor outlet. It looks like of crappy that way so if I end up keeping it I'll have to come up with a better solution. Initial feedback: Live view is kind of buggy. I had hoped to be able to leave it up 24/7 on my computer just to be able to keep an eye on the driveway, but it closes itself down randomly apparently (sometimes 5 minutes, sometimes after 20). Sometimes live view won't even start from the app. It gives an error saying it couldn't initialize. Try again and it starts right up. So thumbs down on that. Also, it records the live view sessions to their cloud server. Which I'd rather not do since I'd only be using it when I'm at home and want it up on the computer. The motion alerts seem to work ok, but like I said above, I need to work on the sensitivity settings. Video quality frankly sucks. The specs say 720P but it's so compressed that I think I'd have a very hard time making someone out who I didn't already recognize unless they were right next to the camera and standing still. The audio quality is decent though. It has a night vision mode so I'll check that out after it gets dark this evening. Another big worry is that the mount it comes with screws onto the wall, but then there's a quick release tab on the bottom to take the camera off. This is so you can easily bring it in to charge if you're running on batteries. So the thing is not very secure. Basically it's a 200 camera just sitting out there that someone could pick up and walk away with. I'm not super comfortable with that, or with the power being an ugly cord running down the corner of my siding to an outdoor outlet right below. On their website FAQ they do say: " WHAT IF SOMEONE STEALS MY RING DOORBELL? Ring Doorbell is equipped with proprietary security screws that keep the device securely mounted. If your Ring Doorbell is stolen, please contact us with a police report and we will replace it free of charge. " The "security screws" bit is laughable. They're just small normal wood screws. And they only hold the mount to the wall. The camera just clips into it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Yeah after using it for a couple of days ... Sending it back. I'll get something wired instead.
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Just a nerdy bit of fun. Instead of alarm type motion alerts I went online and found a text to voice converter, and an online audio converter. I downloaded the text to voice, and converted them to .wav files. Added them to Blue Iris sound files. I now have motion alerts in a sexy British female voice.
Audio file converter Text to Voice |
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It is now time for me to put up cameras. My wife PII was stolen via the OPM hacks and we are getting credit cards mailed to the house. A Black Mastercard showed up yesterday; $495 per year fee!
Wish I had a mean dog. I want to monitor my mailbox and the cul de sac, too. The distance is over 100 feet to the center of the cul de sac, the mail box is 20 feet closer. I can mount a camera anywhere. |
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You're going to want at least 40 pixels-per-foot to ID anyone or any vehicle at that range... and at 100 feet, that's serious zoom. I don't think a standard vari-focal dome cam is going to cut it for you. A regular 2.8-12mm varifocal dome camera isn't going to have nearly enough zoom to bring that cul-de-sac into focus at that distance.
And considering how much open space you have out there, I'd get something with PTZ capability and zoom. Something like this would probably work very well. Link |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
You're going to want at least 40 pixels-per-foot to ID anyone or any vehicle at that range... and at 100 feet, that's serious zoom. I don't think a standard vari-focal dome cam is going to cut it for you. A regular 2.8-12mm varifocal dome camera isn't going to have nearly enough zoom to bring that cul-de-sac into focus at that distance. And considering how much open space you have out there, I'd get something with PTZ capability and zoom. Something like this would probably work very well. Link View Quote I can put a camera on a post. I might put a game camera in a tree that is close to the cul de sac. I have to go back through the thread, it has been a while since I read the first few pages. I think I need at least 5 cameras for good coverage of the house, one on each end, two in the back, and one in front. The neighbors armored up after an attempted break in, and my basement door shows signs of tampering. The worst part is climbing around the attic to run cables, especially at the eaves. The temps up there are brutal right now. ETA, days later. Thieves broke into my shed and stole my chainsaw, a blower, a string trimmer, and a nearly new limb saw. All Stihl, two to three years old except for the chain saw. What I really want is revenge. |
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Wow, Ive been going through this thread and while its very informative and I appreciate your free expert information all these acronyms have my brains angry.
Ive had 2 neighbors get their cars worked over by a thief, one was in their unlocked garage and the other was parked outside so the perp's probably not a big threat but he may get more confident since he hasn't been caught. I need a plug and play system The way my driveway and road is it will be really hard to get a license plate (in the sticks here) unless I put one on a pole somewhere or spend a shitload of money for one camera at the corner of my house that is the only spot I could get plates so I'm not too concerned about that. All I need is a good day/night system I also have a 30x30 shop/man cave that is 120ft from the house that I would like to put a camera on. Im not sure about that one because I really don't want to dig a trench for a cable and I don't know if wireless will work that far. My wifi works on the phone if the roll up door is open but not at all if its closed so I'm guessing a wireless camera on the outside should work? Ive looked at Swann, Night Owl and some other names Ive never heard of at Home depot, Best Buy and Walmart Can you give me a recommendation? Around $200 give or take These are some I've looked at https://www.amazon.com/Swann-SWDVK-8ALP14-US-Compact-Security-Recorder/dp/B015WCV4LE/ref=sr_1_4?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1477102490&sr=1-4&keywords=swann+security+camera+system https://www.amazon.com/Night-Owl-Security-TL-84-Hi-Resolution/dp/B00G1SWBMK/ref=sr_1_13?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1477102811&sr=1-13&keywords=night+owl+security+camera+system |
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superdav
Don't do either of those systems. At this stage of the camera technology game, you should not be buying analog. Seriously... the IP stuff has come way down in price, and the resolution/picture-quality will curb-stomp an analog system. Don't buy anything less than 1080p. If you do a search on Amazon for "Swann 1080p," you'll find a bunch of systems, but only buy actual network cameras (avoid "TVI" or "SDI" or "CVI" systems... those are only good for retrofitting/upgrading an old analog system that has existing wiring you want to re-use). If you're installing from scratch, install actual network cable (Cat5/6) and use IP cameras. What you could do is hit amazon for a Hikvision NVR with a built-in POE network switch (like this one), slap in a big hard-drive, and get whatever sorts of hikvision cameras you want to add to it (like these... which at 4MP are TWICE the resolution of 1080p). The Hiks should be plug-n-play and be automatically detected if you plug them into a Hikvision NVR's built-in switch. Make sense? |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
superdav Don't do either of those systems. At this stage of the camera technology game, you should not be buying analog. Seriously... the IP stuff has come way down in price, and the resolution/picture-quality will curb-stomp an analog system. Don't buy anything less than 1080p. If you do a search on Amazon for "Swann 1080p," you'll find a bunch of systems, but only buy actual network cameras (avoid "TVI" or "SDI" or "CVI" systems... those are only good for retrofitting/upgrading an old analog system that has existing wiring you want to re-use). If you're installing from scratch, install actual network cable (Cat5/6) and use IP cameras. What you could do is hit amazon for a Hikvision NVR with a built-in POE network switch (like this one), slap in a big hard-drive, and get whatever sorts of hikvision cameras you want to add to it (like these... which at 4MP are TWICE the resolution of 1080p). The Hiks should be plug-n-play and be automatically detected if you plug them into a Hikvision NVR's built-in switch. Make sense? View Quote This stuff is over my head. 1080, IP yea but putting a system together buying parts separately I really don't want to do. Ive got a few tabs open to keep up with the acronyms Searching through Amazon sucks, I get all kinds of listings searching for 1080 systems Can you point me to something in a box (model number) that has everything in it? The 1080 may be out of my budget thanks |
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Originally Posted By superdav:
This stuff is over my head. 1080, IP yea but putting a system together buying parts separately I really don't want to do. Ive got a few tabs open to keep up with the acronyms Searching through Amazon sucks, I get all kinds of listings searching for 1080 systems Can you point me to something in a box (model number) that has everything in it? The 1080 may be out of my budget thanks View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By superdav:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
superdav Don't do either of those systems. At this stage of the camera technology game, you should not be buying analog. Seriously... the IP stuff has come way down in price, and the resolution/picture-quality will curb-stomp an analog system. Don't buy anything less than 1080p. If you do a search on Amazon for "Swann 1080p," you'll find a bunch of systems, but only buy actual network cameras (avoid "TVI" or "SDI" or "CVI" systems... those are only good for retrofitting/upgrading an old analog system that has existing wiring you want to re-use). If you're installing from scratch, install actual network cable (Cat5/6) and use IP cameras. What you could do is hit amazon for a Hikvision NVR with a built-in POE network switch (like this one), slap in a big hard-drive, and get whatever sorts of hikvision cameras you want to add to it (like these... which at 4MP are TWICE the resolution of 1080p). The Hiks should be plug-n-play and be automatically detected if you plug them into a Hikvision NVR's built-in switch. Make sense? This stuff is over my head. 1080, IP yea but putting a system together buying parts separately I really don't want to do. Ive got a few tabs open to keep up with the acronyms Searching through Amazon sucks, I get all kinds of listings searching for 1080 systems Can you point me to something in a box (model number) that has everything in it? The 1080 may be out of my budget thanks I have this system. It has 3mp cameras not 4mp. The NVR works with the swann 4mp cameras though. It was very easy to install and set up. I had no previous experience with these systems before installing it. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1122002-REG/swann_swnvk_873004_us_nvr8_7300_8_channel_3mp_nvr_with_4x_nhd_815.html |
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Originally Posted By Got_Nukes:
I have this system. It has 3mp cameras not 4mp. The NVR works with the swann 4mp cameras though. It was very easy to install and set up. I had no previous experience with these systems before installing it. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1122002-REG/swann_swnvk_873004_us_nvr8_7300_8_channel_3mp_nvr_with_4x_nhd_815.html View Quote You have the one you linked? I just left Best Buy and they have Swann and Night Owl1080p plus other brands and they are all analog, every system they sell in store. I'm also confused after going there, the systems are 1080p and on the description it says analog but also says the cameras are IP 67 rated. what is this IP? I guess not the same IP you speak of? |
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Originally Posted By superdav:
You have the one you linked? I just left Best Buy and they have Swann and Night Owl1080p plus other brands and they are all analog, every system they sell in store. I'm also confused after going there, the systems are 1080p and on the description it says analog but also says the cameras are IP 67 rated. what is this IP? I guess not the same IP you speak of? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By superdav:
Originally Posted By Got_Nukes:
I have this system. It has 3mp cameras not 4mp. The NVR works with the swann 4mp cameras though. It was very easy to install and set up. I had no previous experience with these systems before installing it. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1122002-REG/swann_swnvk_873004_us_nvr8_7300_8_channel_3mp_nvr_with_4x_nhd_815.html You have the one you linked? I just left Best Buy and they have Swann and Night Owl1080p plus other brands and they are all analog, every system they sell in store. I'm also confused after going there, the systems are 1080p and on the description it says analog but also says the cameras are IP 67 rated. what is this IP? I guess not the same IP you speak of? IP 65, 66, or 67 is how waterproof they are. Nothing to do with network IP. http://www.budind.com/blog/2014/02/the-mysteries-of-ip-rated-enclosures-explained/ |
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Originally Posted By superdav:
You have the one you linked? I just left Best Buy and they have Swann and Night Owl1080p plus other brands and they are all analog, every system they sell in store. I'm also confused after going there, the systems are 1080p and on the description it says analog but also says the cameras are IP 67 rated. what is this IP? I guess not the same IP you speak of? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By superdav:
Originally Posted By Got_Nukes:
I have this system. It has 3mp cameras not 4mp. The NVR works with the swann 4mp cameras though. It was very easy to install and set up. I had no previous experience with these systems before installing it. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1122002-REG/swann_swnvk_873004_us_nvr8_7300_8_channel_3mp_nvr_with_4x_nhd_815.html You have the one you linked? I just left Best Buy and they have Swann and Night Owl1080p plus other brands and they are all analog, every system they sell in store. I'm also confused after going there, the systems are 1080p and on the description it says analog but also says the cameras are IP 67 rated. what is this IP? I guess not the same IP you speak of? Yes I have the system I linked. Bought it from B&H also. I believe the IP67 is a weather resistance rating. |
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Q-See setup
Just ordered this to experiment with IP cameras. I have a couple of WD purple drives to use with it. I've been using analog for years and want to try IP at the house. Any opinions? |
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Originally Posted By BeachPatrol:
Q-See setup Just ordered this to experiment with IP cameras. I have a couple of WD purple drives to use with it. I've been using analog for years and want to try IP at the house. Any opinions? View Quote Looks legit... See if you like it and post back. |
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Is there a motion detector that you recommend to go with a lower cost Hikovision syestem like you posted above?
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Originally Posted By tk064:
Is there a motion detector that you recommend to go with a lower cost Hikovision syestem like you posted above? View Quote I like the Crow PIRs, and some of the Optex units. Crow Group Optex (I particularly like this one for outdoor use... usually buy them on Amazon) |
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TheGrayMan, can you give a specific recommendation for IR illuminators that you've used?
I remember seeing a tutorial on how using an off-camera illuminator helps, and the difference was stunning, but I can't seem to track it down, nor do I remember if you said "here's a link, buy this one." Thanks much for the links above! I was toying with getting a Swann system last year, but the Hikvision that you linked looks even better. I am looking at doing an install at our office, and our parking lot lighting doesn't throw like I'd like it to (we are nestled in residential, so more light isn't an option). Rob |
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Originally Posted By RobrBaron:
TheGrayMan, can you give a specific recommendation for IR illuminators that you've used? I remember seeing a tutorial on how using an off-camera illuminator helps, and the difference was stunning, but I can't seem to track it down, nor do I remember if you said "here's a link, buy this one." Thanks much for the links above! I was toying with getting a Swann system last year, but the Hikvision that you linked looks even better. I am looking at doing an install at our office, and our parking lot lighting doesn't throw like I'd like it to (we are nestled in residential, so more light isn't an option). Rob View Quote Depends on what you're trying to cover. For interior rooms (and short-range exterior applications, like the side of your house), I like these dome Illuminators: Link 1 Link 2 Link 3 Link 4 For longer-range outdoor use, or large outdoor area coverage (or even large indoor coverage in a warehouse or similar) I end up partially rolling-my-own with IR... because good commercial-grade IR is friggin EXPENSIVE (you can spend $500-1000 per unit). I often end up buying used or second-hand IR illuminator panels (because the power supply usually dies long before the IR panels are at the end of their useful life, and they end up on Ebay). I'm talking about stuff like this, except you shouldn't be paying more than 70-80 for those, and that shipping is ridiculous ($38 is too much). Those things run on 12vDC, and you can pair them with a meanwell power supply (like this one), and have a good, solid IR source for a lot less money. That power supply also allows you to tweak the voltage up a bit, which you'll need to do with those used IR panels towards the end of their useful life (which is like ten+ years). |
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For instance, here is an Ebay auction for some Axis IR illuminators. They're used... but could be paired with a new power supply and put right up. Here is the manufacturer's spec sheet.
Those retail for $500-750 each, and that guy has five of them. You'd just need a power supply. He is asking $150 each, which isn't terrible, but if you could get those for $100 each, that would be even better. The beam spread is adjustable from 50-100 degrees. Those should easily be good for 50-60 feet. |
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Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for.
Rob |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Looks legit... See if you like it and post back. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By BeachPatrol:
Q-See setup Just ordered this to experiment with IP cameras. I have a couple of WD purple drives to use with it. I've been using analog for years and want to try IP at the house. Any opinions? Looks legit... See if you like it and post back. Have it all set up. The picture quality kills my old analog system. I'm just having trouble streaming it to the q-see app on my iPhone. I think it's a great box setup for the money. Obviously this is just a starter ip set, but it definitely good stuff. |
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Gray Man, I keep seeing many people mention the Hikvision stuff but when I read reviews about them on Amazon people constantly comment there is no support, no warranty, no instructions. What is your experience? I'm looking for a small 4 channel POE Stand Alone system and am wondering what you can suggest. Everything review on the web seems to be heavily influenced by manufacturers.
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Originally Posted By WrightP:
Gray Man, I keep seeing many people mention the Hikvision stuff but when I read reviews about them on Amazon people constantly comment there is no support, no warranty, no instructions. What is your experience? I'm looking for a small 4 channel POE Stand Alone system and am wondering what you can suggest. Everything review on the web seems to be heavily influenced by manufacturers. View Quote That's true for "grey market" Amazon/etc cameras. You are pretty much on your own if anything goes wrong. Alternatively, you can get them from somebody like Nelly's, where they in-house warranty them, and help you with tech support. (seriously... I get all of my Hikvision stuff from them. It's not a manufacturer's warranty, but they honored it the one time I had a problem, and they've helped with a handful of tech issues). |
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[#48]
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
That's true for "grey market" Amazon/etc cameras. You are pretty much on your own if anything goes wrong. Alternatively, you can get them from somebody like Nelly's, where they in-house warranty them, and help you with tech support. (seriously... I get all of my Hikvision stuff from them. It's not a manufacturer's warranty, but they honored it the one time I had a problem, and they've helped with a handful of tech issues). View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By WrightP:
Gray Man, I keep seeing many people mention the Hikvision stuff but when I read reviews about them on Amazon people constantly comment there is no support, no warranty, no instructions. What is your experience? I'm looking for a small 4 channel POE Stand Alone system and am wondering what you can suggest. Everything review on the web seems to be heavily influenced by manufacturers. That's true for "grey market" Amazon/etc cameras. You are pretty much on your own if anything goes wrong. Alternatively, you can get them from somebody like Nelly's, where they in-house warranty them, and help you with tech support. (seriously... I get all of my Hikvision stuff from them. It's not a manufacturer's warranty, but they honored it the one time I had a problem, and they've helped with a handful of tech issues). Thanks for the info. They are just over in Tulsa so I will give them a call. Another question, would you consider using a NAS as an NVR or would you simply go with the stand alone system? |
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Originally Posted By WrightP:
Thanks for the info. They are just over in Tulsa so I will give them a call. Another question, would you consider using a NAS as an NVR or would you simply go with the stand alone system? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By WrightP:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By WrightP:
Gray Man, I keep seeing many people mention the Hikvision stuff but when I read reviews about them on Amazon people constantly comment there is no support, no warranty, no instructions. What is your experience? I'm looking for a small 4 channel POE Stand Alone system and am wondering what you can suggest. Everything review on the web seems to be heavily influenced by manufacturers. That's true for "grey market" Amazon/etc cameras. You are pretty much on your own if anything goes wrong. Alternatively, you can get them from somebody like Nelly's, where they in-house warranty them, and help you with tech support. (seriously... I get all of my Hikvision stuff from them. It's not a manufacturer's warranty, but they honored it the one time I had a problem, and they've helped with a handful of tech issues). Thanks for the info. They are just over in Tulsa so I will give them a call. Another question, would you consider using a NAS as an NVR or would you simply go with the stand alone system? I've done the NAS route, and while it did work, it didn't have quite enough processor horsepower for me... so I went back to PC-based NVR |
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Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
I've done the NAS route, and while it did work, it didn't have quite enough processor horsepower for me... so I went back to PC-based NVR View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By WrightP:
Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By WrightP:
Gray Man, I keep seeing many people mention the Hikvision stuff but when I read reviews about them on Amazon people constantly comment there is no support, no warranty, no instructions. What is your experience? I'm looking for a small 4 channel POE Stand Alone system and am wondering what you can suggest. Everything review on the web seems to be heavily influenced by manufacturers. That's true for "grey market" Amazon/etc cameras. You are pretty much on your own if anything goes wrong. Alternatively, you can get them from somebody like Nelly's, where they in-house warranty them, and help you with tech support. (seriously... I get all of my Hikvision stuff from them. It's not a manufacturer's warranty, but they honored it the one time I had a problem, and they've helped with a handful of tech issues). Thanks for the info. They are just over in Tulsa so I will give them a call. Another question, would you consider using a NAS as an NVR or would you simply go with the stand alone system? I've done the NAS route, and while it did work, it didn't have quite enough processor horsepower for me... so I went back to PC-based NVR Thanks. I just got of the phone with Nelly's and they alluded to the same thing. I will be placing an order with them in the next week. Thanks for the information. |
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