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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:49:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson:
Hopefully this isn't a derail but, since you mentioned it earlier, what contracts exist for the MCX? London Metro has been photo'ed quite often with these guns and I believe there were some Israeli commandos also seen carrying these rifles. Are there any other countries/units carrying these guns that you can disclose? That might help settle the minds here knowing that X amount of units are running the old pattern. Plus it is interesting stuff to know who all is using these. Do know that there are elite US forces using the MCX, as well. Both .mil and LEO |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2017 1:56:30 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon:
I understand, it's frustrating. The PM is going to keep me in the loop on ETA's - do know that small parts (everything from barrels and hand guards to replacement parts, etc) are a priority to get those out and available. I will keep this thread updated as I get them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By mark5pt56:
Originally Posted By coregon:
Originally Posted By mark5pt56:
Coregon, Are you able to say WHEN spare parts can be purchased? Hoping not the Desert Tech/MDR, soon, two weeks, etc. answer. For the number of them out there supposedly that need support, one would think there would be spare parts available when one would like to order. I mean, dang, SIG is building guns, freaking parts come from somewhere. I get it, big contracts, etc. get the attention and the dollar, individual users, etc. maybe. I don't have an ETA, but have been told by the PM that it's close. 
Mark Keep the current ones provided spare parts are obtainable, cheapest option. Sell them and pick up a Virtus I still want that dang CSASS submission--maybe that's the final chapter? but may be a "mini CSASS" in 5.56 more than likely? |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 3:20:01 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon:
I can't speak to the contracts that we hold, unfortunately. Do know that there are elite US forces using the MCX, as well. Both .mil and LEO Thats all I'll say. But he spoke highly of it and I went and bought mine. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 3:47:27 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
I can confirm this...a friend of mine who's using on in theater. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:14:52 PM EDT
[#5]
*Pic Dump Warning*
Here are just some pictures of a 16" 556 MCX Virtus. Model/SKU: RMCX-16B-TAP-P  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:17:51 PM EDT
[#6]
Close-up pics of the hand guard
Same type of attachment (retained my pivot pin from lower receiver).  Attached FileAnti-rotation QD cups on either side of the hand guard. Longer top rail and two "windows" are cut into the rail to better accommodate different gas lengths.  Attached FileTop view  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:21:16 PM EDT
[#7]
Barrel comparison.
Both barrels are 16" 556. The barrel installed is from the Virtus, while the bare barrel is from an original MCX. Notice that the barrel profile on the Virtus is heavier, as well as the longer gas system.  Attached FileTop barrel is Virtus, bottom is original MCX  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:22:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coregon]
[#8]
Upper receiver/chassis comparison.
Notice that the upper rail is shorter (hence the lack of hand guard compatibility).  Attached File Attached FileIll include a comparison of the charging handles here. Notice that the Virtus (right side) has Gasbuster characteristics and works well.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:26:46 PM EDT
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BCG/Bolt comparison.
Notice that the carrier rotates away to aid in easier bolt/firing pin removal without complete disassembly of the carrier.  Attached File Attached FileCarrier group broken down - firing pin retention is captive.  Attached FileComplete carrier comparison - top is from Virtus, bottom is OG MCX  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:29:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:35:34 PM EDT
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I think that's everything guys - sorry for the delay, had some travel this week and then it was hotter than Satan's thermostat in my shop all day, so I waited until after dark.
If you have any questions, let's hear them. I tried to take general pictures of the comparisons, but if you have certain requests, I will do everything I can to fulfill them. I do NOT have a Virtus SD hand guard yet, so I can't show you what that looks like. Note - one thing I realized I didn't snap a picture of is showing a standard SD hand guard on a Virtus chassis, just to show you how the 2 will NOT mate up. Ill try to grab that in the next round of pics, just for reference. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:44:12 PM EDT
[#12]
Dude thanks for these pics. Really cool to see the differences.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2017 10:52:56 PM EDT
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Any chance you could take pics of the 9" blackout and 11.5" 5.56 barrels?
Thank you. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:04:55 PM EDT
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Coregon,
Thank you for the pics. So I bought my mcx early 2016, my bolt looks like the one you posted that belongs to the virtus. When was the virtus bolt "created" because I think the bolt u showed That is the virtus bolt is the same I have? Also the gas regulator switch looks new along with the gas block? The piston is clearly larger as shown in the picture. |
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:08:09 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kgknight1037:
Coregon, Thank you for the pics. So I bought my mcx early 2016, my bolt looks like the one you posted that belongs to the virtus. When was the virtus bolt "created" because I think the bolt u showed That is the virtus bolt is the same I have? Also the gas regulator switch looks new along with the gas block? The piston is clearly larger as shown in the picture. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2017 11:18:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon:
The bolt you have looks like the Virtus bolt, but the lugs are different. The Virtus barrel extension/bolt are unique to it. Is the gas regulator still just a suppressed or unsupressed? |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 12:04:10 AM EDT
[#17]
Thanks for the pics!
Is the Virtus charging handle compatible with the legacy MCX? |
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Posted: 7/22/2017 1:44:15 AM EDT
[#18]
Coregon - thanks for the huge download, info and pics. MUCH appreciated!
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Posted: 7/22/2017 8:44:14 AM EDT
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Maybe this has already been asked but is the gray color anodizing ala old Colt M16 or some type of paint/coating?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2017 3:39:55 PM EDT
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Hi folks, I'm new here and had to finally join because this is the best intel anywhere on the MCX Virtus. Thank you Coregon!
I have a question about weight. Looking at SIG's specs it seems the Virtus has gained about one full lb. in every configuration. For instance: SIG MCX Patrol 16in: 6.9 lb SIG MCX Virtus Patrol 16in: 7.9 lb SIG MCX Pistol 5.56 11in: 6.4 lb SIG MCX Virtus Pistol 5.56 11in: 7.4 lb SIG MCX Pistol 300BLK 9in: 6 lb SIG MCX Virtus Pistol 300BLK 9in: 7 lb I understand the heavier profile barrel adds weight, but even the 300BLK pistol versions with the short 9in barrel gain a pound. Are there other components of the Virtus that are heavier than thier original MCX counterparts? Coregon, can you put the Virtus 16in Patrol on a scale and confirm the advertised weight? Thanks a lot! |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 2:44:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coregon]
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By E4W:
Thanks for the pics! Is the Virtus charging handle compatible with the legacy MCX? |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 2:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpaceGhostGun:
Hi folks, I'm new here and had to finally join because this is the best intel anywhere on the MCX Virtus. Thank you Coregon! I have a question about weight. Looking at SIG's specs it seems the Virtus has gained about one full lb. in every configuration. For instance: SIG MCX Patrol 16in: 6.9 lb SIG MCX Virtus Patrol 16in: 7.9 lb SIG MCX Pistol 5.56 11in: 6.4 lb SIG MCX Virtus Pistol 5.56 11in: 7.4 lb SIG MCX Pistol 300BLK 9in: 6 lb SIG MCX Virtus Pistol 300BLK 9in: 7 lb I understand the heavier profile barrel adds weight, but even the 300BLK pistol versions with the short 9in barrel gain a pound. Are there other components of the Virtus that are heavier than thier original MCX counterparts? Coregon, can you put the Virtus 16in Patrol on a scale and confirm the advertised weight? Thanks a lot! You're picking up weight in the barrel and hand guard, primarily. Though, you're picking up slight weight in gas block, bolt, carrier, etc |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 2:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kgknight1037:
Okay thanks for clarifying. Is the gas regulator still just a suppressed or unsupressed? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kgknight1037:
Originally Posted By coregon:
The bolt you have looks like the Virtus bolt, but the lugs are different. The Virtus barrel extension/bolt are unique to it. Is the gas regulator still just a suppressed or unsupressed? |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 3:06:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon:
Yes, 2-position. It is also much easier to access, with the new "windows" in the hand guard and the larger paddles on the selector. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2017 3:59:14 PM EDT
[#25]
Is there any change in the diameter to the 300 BLK barrel?
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Posted: 7/23/2017 9:15:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: right_rudder]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson:
That's a big plus right there. The old one is a PITA to adjust especially when the system is a little dirty. I'd cycle it every range trip just to keep it from freezing up ETA I always run it in the "-" position reguadless of usesimg it suppressed or not. |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 9:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson:
Maybe this has already been asked but is the gray color anodizing ala old Colt M16 or some type of paint/coating? |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 9:16:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cops66:
Is there any change in the diameter to the 300 BLK barrel? |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 9:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
No kidding. I ended up putting a punch in my pack just for the gas selector. I'd cycle it every range trip just to keep it from freezing up Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson:
That's a big plus right there. The old one is a PITA to adjust especially when the system is a little dirty. I'd cycle it every range trip just to keep it from freezing up |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 9:18:57 PM EDT
[#30]
@coregon how long until the uppers are available?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2017 9:26:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
@coregon how long until the uppers are available? |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 9:33:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coregon]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
@coregon how long until the uppers are available? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
@coregon how long until the uppers are available? Originally Posted By Kgknight1037:
Originally Posted By right_rudder:
@coregon how long until the uppers are available? |
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Posted: 7/23/2017 9:34:48 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon:
Honestly, not sure. The rifles just started shipping. Ill try to get an ETA Are they shipping the barrels with the piece that gives the 90 degree shoulder, or do you still have to buy those separately? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/24/2017 5:50:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon:
7.9#, on the nose - that's an unloaded weight, FYI. You're picking up weight in the barrel and hand guard, primarily. Though, you're picking up slight weight in gas block, bolt, carrier, etc |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 12:29:54 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk:
I don't understand mathematically how the 11.5" SBR and 16" carbine both picked up exactly 1 lb. As a matter of physics, the longer barrel and longer handguards should weigh more on the carbine. 
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Posted: 7/24/2017 8:48:42 PM EDT
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@coregon
You are truly a diamond in the rough and a huge asset to this website. Thank you, first and foremost for taking all this time to post such detailed pics and answer questions. I may have missed it, but will there be a pistol version of the Virtus and will the only color be the gray? Or will there be black/fde/etc.? |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 9:05:14 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk:
I don't understand mathematically how the 11.5" SBR and 16" carbine both picked up exactly 1 lb. As a matter of physics, the longer barrel and longer handguards should weigh more on the carbine. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk:
Originally Posted By coregon:
7.9#, on the nose - that's an unloaded weight, FYI. You're picking up weight in the barrel and hand guard, primarily. Though, you're picking up slight weight in gas block, bolt, carrier, etc |
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Posted: 7/24/2017 9:10:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coregon]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh:
@coregon You are truly a diamond in the rough and a huge asset to this website. Thank you, first and foremost for taking all this time to post such detailed pics and answer questions. I may have missed it, but will there be a pistol version of the Virtus and will the only color be the gray? Or will there be black/fde/etc.? Yes, pistol and SBR versions are available. Concrete and FDE are the colors available.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 11:11:10 AM EDT
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Great pictures, man. I'm excited to see and hear that the MCX has some door-kickers using it. My Gen 1 MCX SBR is easily my favorite rifle. I'm hoping that all of the lower receivers are still the same, should uppers ever come available. The new Sig grip looks nicer, too.
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MO, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2017 11:37:08 AM EDT
[#40]
Thanks for all the info coregon.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2017 12:33:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: willi3d]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon:
Yeah, it was tough. Not the case with the Virtus - like I mentioned, larger "windows" in the hand guards and larger paddle on the selector. Easily done with a finger or your thumb. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 2:19:55 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d:
To be honest, this is pretty much the only improvement I'm interested in the Virtus over the original MCX. Easier access to the gas plug. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 2:44:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By willi3d:
To be honest, this is pretty much the only improvement I'm interested in the Virtus over the original MCX. Easier access to the gas plug. I guess a bigger cutout would be better if you did not have a bullet. But then why would you be adjusting it with no ammo around? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2017 3:14:08 PM EDT
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https://www.sigsauer.com/
I wish the 'cool guy' model was available as shown in the auto-play video advertisement in the link. MCX Virtus SBR with a fat M-LOK handguard and a suppressor under the rail. |
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Posted: 7/25/2017 4:35:03 PM EDT
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Any issue with the virtuas and aftermarket triggers? Specifically Geissele?
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Posted: 7/25/2017 11:11:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m6z:
https://www.sigsauer.com/ I wish the 'cool guy' model was available as shown in the auto-play video advertisement in the link. MCX Virtus SBR with a fat M-LOK handguard and a suppressor under the rail. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2017 5:07:12 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tim_McBride:
Any issue with the virtuas and aftermarket triggers? Specifically Geissele? |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 12:34:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tim_McBride:
Any issue with the virtuas and aftermarket triggers? Specifically Geissele? |
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Posted: 7/26/2017 1:15:53 PM EDT
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Is 'concrete' the same gray shade that we're seeing on the optics?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2017 1:36:02 PM EDT
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any knowledge yet on whether that gas buster charging handle on the Virtus will be backwards compatible with the MCX? A solution is desperately needed there.
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