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Posted: 3/11/2017 11:46:21 AM EDT

I don't see anything in the instructions of 4473 about making hard copy of a buyer's driver's license, CPL, etc, but I'm curious to know if this is common practice?

In other words, is my IOI going to have a problem with me not making copies?

Thanks

Posted: 3/11/2017 11:50:13 AM EDT

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no you do not need too.

when i worked at a gun shop part time before i got my real job the only time we made a copy of DL/ID is if like the address was on the back and they used two forms of id(fishing license and DL or whatever). Other then that never

Posted: 3/11/2017 12:35:53 PM EDT

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Most of the dealers around me do it. It isn't something that's ever bothered me. With how badly the ATF can crawl up your ass about paperwork issues and record keeping, I really don't blame anyone for doing it.

Posted: 3/11/2017 5:11:41 PM EDT

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I don't see anything in the instructions of 4473 about making hard copy of a buyer's driver's license, CPL, etc, but I'm curious to know if this is common practice?

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Very uncommon........except for dealers who have Atfobia vulgaris. They invent all kinds of stupid shit that they think will protect them when the ATF IOI comes a calling.
Frankly, I'll bet an IOI that sees such unneeded, unnecessary, excessive and useless documentation will wonder "WTF is wrong with this guy? He must be covering his ass for something".

In other words, is my IOI going to have a problem with me not making copies?

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No, because there is no such requirement in Federal law, ATF regs or the instructions on the Form 4473.

Posted: 3/11/2017 8:01:56 PM EDT

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I don't see anything in the instructions of 4473 about making hard copy of a buyer's driver's license, CPL, etc, but I'm curious to know if this is common practice?

In other words, is my IOI going to have a problem with me not making copies?

Thanks

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Not required, not common, and will probably only jam you up. Keep in mind certain IDs it is a Federal Offense to make a copy of.

Posted: 3/12/2017 12:51:49 PM EDT

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Not required, not common, and will probably only jam you up. Keep in mind certain IDs it is a Federal Offense to make a copy of.

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I don't see anything in the instructions of 4473 about making hard copy of a buyer's driver's license, CPL, etc, but I'm curious to know if this is common practice?

In other words, is my IOI going to have a problem with me not making copies?

Thanks

Not required, not common, and will probably only jam you up. Keep in mind certain IDs it is a Federal Offense to make a copy of.

Just curious as to which ID is a federal offense. Just don't want to get in trouble. I make copies since in NJ a background check can take days if the state police are backed up. On a few occasions I have had the state police call and question a number on an ID and ask for a copy to be faxed to clear up any discrepancies. I guess everybody in my state is used to the extra paperwork and nobody has ever questioned the practice.

Posted: 3/12/2017 2:34:54 PM EDT

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It's against the law to make a copy of a DOD id card

Posted: 3/12/2017 2:58:11 PM EDT

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Just curious as to which ID is a federal offense. Just don't want to get in trouble. I make copies since in NJ a background check can take days if the state police are backed up. On a few occasions I have had the state police call and question a number on an ID and ask for a copy to be faxed to clear up any discrepancies. I guess everybody in my state is used to the extra paperwork and nobody has ever questioned the practice.

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Pretty much all Govt ID

https://www.army.mil/article/28452/photocopying-military-cac-ids-a-violation-of-federal-law

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/701

Posted: 3/12/2017 3:51:51 PM EDT

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The only time I do is when the buyer is a LEO buying a restricted item.

Posted: 3/13/2017 2:43:12 PM EDT

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The only time we make a copy is if customers handwriting is poor. Sometimes helps with the address/strange names. Fold the copy and bind with the 4473. Never had it questioned. We always make copies or request copies be sent for acquisitions. Again, we need a name and address to enter into the bound book.

Posted: 3/13/2017 6:03:30 PM EDT

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The only time we make a copy is if customers handwriting is poor. Sometimes helps with the address/strange names. Fold the copy and bind with the 4473. Never had it questioned. We always make copies or request copies be sent for acquisitions. Again, we need a name and address to enter into the bound book.

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Does that comply with the instructions on the Form 4473? (no, it does not.)

A copy of the buyers DL is not part of the Form 4473. You need to be sure the information is correct AND legible on the 4473.

Posted: 3/15/2017 10:46:37 PM EDT

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Pretty much all Govt ID

https://www.army.mil/article/28452/photocopying-military-cac-ids-a-violation-of-federal-law

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/701

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Just curious as to which ID is a federal offense. Just don't want to get in trouble. I make copies since in NJ a background check can take days if the state police are backed up. On a few occasions I have had the state police call and question a number on an ID and ask for a copy to be faxed to clear up any discrepancies. I guess everybody in my state is used to the extra paperwork and nobody has ever questioned the practice.

Pretty much all Govt ID

https://www.army.mil/article/28452/photocopying-military-cac-ids-a-violation-of-federal-law

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/701

This.

Posted: 3/20/2017 12:23:46 PM EDT

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i do not do this,
i make sure that there hand writing is clean and legible and document there ID type and # on the 4473
if i am buying a firearms i request to see there ID and document the type and number on the bill of sale

Posted: 3/22/2017 10:56:21 PM EDT

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Does that comply with the instructions on the Form 4473? (no, it does not.)

A copy of the buyers DL is not part of the Form 4473. You need to be sure the information is correct AND legible on the 4473.

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Since my IOI's are fine with our process, we will stay with it. When they have a concern, we will change. 4473's are not a spelling or literacy test. How an employee reads it when running NICs may be different than the way I see it when entering in the bound book. We seem to be in complaince.

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