Anyone else deal with foreign individuals purchasing guns? I have ran into some issues where some non-immigrants can now obtain CCW permits.

How often have you guys ran into this where you need use a USCIS, A#, or I-94?

Our state issued CCW is a NICS exemption and we don't want to see a FFL get jammed up for transferring a gun without looking for the other docs, by only using the CCW for ID.

So, you use their hunting license as proof of residency to purchase the firearm?

Or do you look for other docs? Do you not ask for docs to show they are here legally, or are you solely relying upon them documenting it?

Here is the concern- some countries have a 90 day or a 180 day visa free admission. So, they only need their passport. Are you just reviewing their proof of lawful status or relying solely upon them reading the forms?

Read the Instructions on 4473, seriously. it outlines what is needed for a NIA.

Again,
Read the instructions in the 4473.

It has a lot to do with everything, since they are no longer legally able to possess firearms, but the dealer would have no idea. Once their visa or non-visa immigrant time frame is passed, they are prohibited. This includes possession of any firearms they brought with them. If they were flagged in NCIC, the CCW exempts the NICS process here so a seller/dealer would never know.

The 4473 is fine, but the FBI provided a more confusing letter and not everyone needs a hunting license. That is only for those with a visa. Quite a few countries do not have visa requirements.

The other docs come from CBP or an I-94. As usual, the FBI doesn't always talk to the ATF. The FBI has a flow chart for dealing with non-citizens. When you call in a NICS check on a non-citizen, do you provide the A#, AR#, or USCIS#?

I am trying to find a way to accommodate non-citizens in the CCW process, but we are running into some minor problems due to our CCW NICS exemption. Because of that, there is no verification done for eligibility. There is no background ran, so I was curious if the FFL would or if they ever review any documents to show they are here legally. The FBI says the should, but I was curious how the actual practice is done, since you guys are regulated by the ATF.

Seeing how FFLs are targeted at times, I don't want to see any of them get into a jackpot. If you received a non-immigrant with a CCW, would you handle it any differently if you knew they were a  non-resident and it said so on the CCW?

I am trying to find an easy solution to this issue. There is a small group pushing each state to comply with this area. I don't want to see a FFL or a citizen get hung in the process, since these people may have a very limited timeframe to lawfully possess/purchase weapons.

Just like you you have no idea  if a person is a felon, renounced citizenship, under indictment or any of the other DQ'ers. So they fill out the form, you check it, and if you have no reason to believe they are lying, you are GTG.

Good grief.

You can say good grief, but I am trying to address the issuance of permits. Since the permit the state is issuing will exempt NICS and avoid these simple checks, they wanted each of these areas looked at.

Guess asking questions about trying to make sure people are complying with the law was too much. Sorry for offending you.

GD would have had better answers.

If it pleases you/FFL then call it in. I94/chl/Ltc/permit/hunting license.

Some places I've been to have call in policy's for aliens. Roughly a 100% chance it will come back as delayed. A reason why I have a chl. The regular place I go to know me by first name basis and see my family regularly. All of my family's chl's were taken there.


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It's bloody frustrating when i get delayed. Especially when I'm picking up something on my day off or I'm in a rush.

Umm.... We issue permits and that is what I am trying to figure out

The problem is no one here has ever addressed the DOJ's redirection of the non-immigrants and weapon possession. So, I am trying to figure it out. Someone has to pave the way!

Thanks for the help.

No, the problem is, your story does not add up.

If a state issues a NICS exempt CCW permit to someone that is a NIA, than that is a violation of Federal law.

And issuing permits to NIAs on a 90 day visa, what state does that?

How does the story not add up?

The state doesn't provide a NICS exemption. The ATF determines what state's permits allow for a NICS exemption.

Since there is no restriction on citizenship for our state permits, we are going to issue them to those that are eligible.

What I was looking at is a clause, on the permit, that let's the FFL know the person may need a NICS check completed. That is the issue I was hoping for some help on. Something to let the FFL know to ask for some additional documentation, to show the NICS exemption is valid or, if they don't provide it, to have a NICS done.

It is complex and I don't want to see a FFL get screwed or a private party get screwed.

what state?