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Posted: 4/3/2014 10:47:28 AM EDT
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They don't fill out a 4473 until they've paid for the gun they are purchasing.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 11:18:29 AM EDT
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April Fool was Tuesday.
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Posted: 4/3/2014 12:27:32 PM EDT
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April Fool was Tuesday. Whats that mean?? |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 1:32:28 PM EDT
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April Fool was Tuesday. Whats that mean?? He means you made enough errors on your sales and transfer processes that most dealers would think you were pulling our leg. 
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Posted: 4/3/2014 2:55:25 PM EDT
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Usually a customer orders a firearm thru me.. pays in full.. then it comes in and I do the 4473 at that time.. (my 'normal' SOP)
If they don't pass NICS/E-NICS they have a 25% restock charge and/or agree (per receipt) that I consign it out for them.. when sold they get their refund that way. This was a one off case of whoops on my part.. hence me calling the Sr. agent (on his cell no less after hours) because I had possibly errored in handling. The other option is the customer orders whatever.. it comes in.. then they get the 4473 to fill out.. (aka normal transfer).. Nope not an April fools joke.. could have been on me though.. it was 4/1 in the evening when this occurred.. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 3:13:01 PM EDT
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Usually a customer orders a firearm thru me.. pays in full.. then it comes in and I do the 4473 at that time.. (my 'normal' SOP) How can it be your 'normal' SOP, if it is your first customer as the title of this threads states? TITLE: "My 1st customer.. completes 4473 gets approved.. then wants to order a gun not stocked." |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 3:35:36 PM EDT
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How can it be your 'normal' SOP, if it is your first customer as the title of this threads states? TITLE: "My 1st customer.. completes 4473 gets approved.. then wants to order a gun not stocked." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Usually a customer orders a firearm thru me.. pays in full.. then it comes in and I do the 4473 at that time.. (my 'normal' SOP) How can it be your 'normal' SOP, if it is your first customer as the title of this threads states? TITLE: "My 1st customer.. completes 4473 gets approved.. then wants to order a gun not stocked." Not my 1st customer.. my 1st customer that gets me jerked up.. I just edited the title.. sorry about that confusion.. |
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Posted: 4/3/2014 5:26:36 PM EDT
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Wow, this is a first I think. Sounds like lesson learned. I must ask. Are you an SOT as well and how long have you been in business?
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Posted: 4/4/2014 3:51:41 AM EDT
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License for 3 weeks.
Not a SOT holder. Def. a lesson learned. Any constructive suggestions?? |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 5:43:06 AM EDT
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License for 3 weeks.
Not a SOT holder. Def. a lesson learned. Any constructive suggestions?? Highly suggest you READ instructions on 4473 and CFR. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 5:56:39 AM EDT
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Just a possibility... But what if he filled out the 4473 now because he has a court case in a week where there is a good chance he will be found guilty of something?
Edit... Not an FFL holder. Just curious |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:22:40 AM EDT
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Just a possibility... But what if he filled out the 4473 now because he has a court case in a week where there is a good chance he will be found guilty of something? Edit... Not an FFL holder. Just curious Doesn't work that way. Once you have been entered into the NCIC, i.e. booked, for something like a felony or domestic you're flagged. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:32:25 AM EDT
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Customer has to re-certify they are still in the same as when they initially filled it out.
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:34:03 AM EDT
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Highly suggest you READ instructions on 4473 and CFR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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License for 3 weeks.
Not a SOT holder. Def. a lesson learned. Any constructive suggestions?? Highly suggest you READ instructions on 4473 and CFR. The 4473 instructions say to fill in Section D immediately prior to transfer.. no gun no transfer.. Technically I am ok.. hence what the Sr. Agent told me as well. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:37:42 AM EDT
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License for 3 weeks.
Not a SOT holder. Def. a lesson learned. Any constructive suggestions?? Constructive, hmmmm. Read the 4473 front to back. I don't start the phone call or log into the system until everything is filled out except of course 21b, 21c, and 36. Try and think of every possible messed up thing that may happen and have a policy to deal with that situation. Be ready for the ass hats that want to just see if they'll pass. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 6:52:24 AM EDT
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If I walked into a gun store and the owner tried to get me to fill out a 4473 when I didn't just buy a gun I'd probably give him a blank stare and just leave.
Then on the way out I'd probably be sweating bullets trying to figure out what kind of ATF sting I just walked out of. 
Yeah don't do that again. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 7:08:45 AM EDT
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If I walked into a gun store and the owner tried to get me to fill out a 4473 when I didn't just buy a gun I'd probably give him a blank stare and just leave.
Then on the way out I'd probably be sweating bullets trying to figure out what kind of ATF sting I just walked out of.
Yeah don't do that again. Customer walked in wanting the Colt (not stocked).. for which I tried to persuade him on getting something in stock.. so shame on me.. He was dead set on the $1000 Colt.. should have known.. he may have also been wanting to just test his BG.. I'll never know.
He passed the NICS.. then he decided he wanted to order the Colt.. which he did while in the shop.. so it wasn't a total test I guess.. 
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Posted: 4/4/2014 7:31:08 AM EDT
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Customer walked in wanting the Colt (not stocked).. for which I tried to persuade him on getting something in stock.. so shame on me.. He was dead set on the $1000 Colt.. should have known.. he may have also been wanting to just test his BG.. I'll never know.
He passed the NICS.. then he decided he wanted to order the Colt.. which he did while in the shop.. so it wasn't a total test I guess.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I walked into a gun store and the owner tried to get me to fill out a 4473 when I didn't just buy a gun I'd probably give him a blank stare and just leave.
Then on the way out I'd probably be sweating bullets trying to figure out what kind of ATF sting I just walked out of.
Yeah don't do that again. Customer walked in wanting the Colt (not stocked).. for which I tried to persuade him on getting something in stock.. so shame on me.. He was dead set on the $1000 Colt.. should have known.. he may have also been wanting to just test his BG.. I'll never know.
He passed the NICS.. then he decided he wanted to order the Colt.. which he did while in the shop.. so it wasn't a total test I guess.. Did he pay for it? |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 7:38:51 AM EDT
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If I walked into a gun store and the owner tried to get me to fill out a 4473 when I didn't just buy a gun I'd probably give him a blank stare and just leave.
Then on the way out I'd probably be sweating bullets trying to figure out what kind of ATF sting I just walked out of.
Yeah don't do that again. Customer walked in wanting the Colt (not stocked).. for which I tried to persuade him on getting something in stock.. so shame on me.. He was dead set on the $1000 Colt.. should have known.. he may have also been wanting to just test his BG.. I'll never know.
He passed the NICS.. then he decided he wanted to order the Colt.. which he did while in the shop.. so it wasn't a total test I guess.. Did he pay for it? He ended up ordering the Colt from the other dealers website on my laptop. He did not pay me for it. I will be doing the transfer when it comes in. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:40:45 AM EDT
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He ended up ordering the Colt from the other dealers website on my laptop. He did not pay me for it. I will be doing the transfer when it comes in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If I walked into a gun store and the owner tried to get me to fill out a 4473 when I didn't just buy a gun I'd probably give him a blank stare and just leave.
Then on the way out I'd probably be sweating bullets trying to figure out what kind of ATF sting I just walked out of.
Yeah don't do that again. Customer walked in wanting the Colt (not stocked).. for which I tried to persuade him on getting something in stock.. so shame on me.. He was dead set on the $1000 Colt.. should have known.. he may have also been wanting to just test his BG.. I'll never know.
He passed the NICS.. then he decided he wanted to order the Colt.. which he did while in the shop.. so it wasn't a total test I guess.. Did he pay for it? He ended up ordering the Colt from the other dealers website on my laptop. He did not pay me for it. I will be doing the transfer when it comes in. I must ask..........did you kill your own sale? How did the customer know about the other gun? Why in the hell would you let him order from someone else? Odd post gets odder. |
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Posted: 4/4/2014 9:51:13 AM EDT
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He saw the Colt model he wanted from a another GA post or something last month..
Asked me to look it up.. the pricing was like $1039.. Then we talked about what I had in the cabinet.. Then he did the NICS Then he decided to buy the Colt from other retailer for $1039.. Dealer cost was $949 on it, but out of stock at my 5 distributors. I still get $40 transfer so I'm ok with that. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 3:52:42 AM EDT
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...and why did the customer fill out the 4473, or you do the NICS check, without you having the gun in hand? Granted, I'm not an FFL, but that's what I always thought was the process.
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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:04:28 AM EDT
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He saw the Colt model he wanted from a another GA post or something last month.. Asked me to look it up.. the pricing was like $1039.. Then we talked about what I had in the cabinet.. Then he did the NICS Then he decided to buy the Colt from other retailer for $1039.. Dealer cost was $949 on it, but out of stock at my 5 distributors. I still get $40 transfer so I'm ok with that. OP
$40 transfer?
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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:20:18 AM EDT
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When the nearest FFL is 110 miles away.. $40 is right.. $35 is LEO/BP
ETA: this is a store front and I have bills.. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 7:39:07 AM EDT
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$40 transfer?
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He saw the Colt model he wanted from a another GA post or something last month.. Asked me to look it up.. the pricing was like $1039.. Then we talked about what I had in the cabinet.. Then he did the NICS Then he decided to buy the Colt from other retailer for $1039.. Dealer cost was $949 on it, but out of stock at my 5 distributors. I still get $40 transfer so I'm ok with that. OP
$40 transfer?
$40 is not really all that bad. A lot of shops are going the way of percentage of the value if they carry the gun or can order it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 8:28:34 AM EDT
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$40 is not really all that bad. A lot of shops are going the way of percentage of the value if they carry the gun or can order it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He saw the Colt model he wanted from a another GA post or something last month.. Asked me to look it up.. the pricing was like $1039.. Then we talked about what I had in the cabinet.. Then he did the NICS Then he decided to buy the Colt from other retailer for $1039.. Dealer cost was $949 on it, but out of stock at my 5 distributors. I still get $40 transfer so I'm ok with that. OP
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$40 is not really all that bad. A lot of shops are going the way of percentage of the value if they carry the gun or can order it. Are you in Texas? If so, you would know that $40 is pretty high. $40 is twice what I charge for non CHL holders.. Shops that "going the way of percentage of the value" wind up not doing transfers at all. Low or reasonable transfer fees= more business. Which is why I do 2000+ transfers a year. 
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Posted: 4/6/2014 8:37:02 AM EDT
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I'm just a customer, but I've never had any dealer hand me a 4473 BEFORE I've made a decision to purchase a particular gun.
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Posted: 4/6/2014 10:50:48 AM EDT
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They don't fill out a 4473 until they've paid for the gun they are purchasing. Problem solved. Yup |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 11:16:06 AM EDT
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Local dealer. You agree to a purchase. You fill out the form. He does the back ground. Then walks you to the front to pay. They sell 1000s of firearms.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 9:30:05 AM EDT
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Are you in Texas? If so, you would know that $40 is pretty high. $40 is twice what I charge for non CHL holders.. Shops that "going the way of percentage of the value" wind up not doing transfers at all. Low or reasonable transfer fees= more business. Which is why I do 2000+ transfers a year.
I have only 9-11 guns in inventory (we just opened).. and the next shop is 100+ miles away.. they charge $25.. so really $40 and $35 for LEO is decent IMO. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 12:38:55 PM EDT
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I'm just a customer, but I've never had any dealer hand me a 4473 BEFORE I've made a decision to purchase a particular gun. +1 on this. The customer souldn't get the 4473 until they have decided on a gun. Treat the 4473 as relating to the gun you are selling, not the person. Don't fill it out and especially don't call it in until you know that he is buying a gun that day. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:46:23 PM EDT
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In my opinion you should not call in a 4473 without having in your possession the firearm/s that will be transferred.
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Posted: 4/13/2014 9:06:39 AM EDT
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OK, I get that you're new and haven't sold many guns, but have you ever purchased any? Seriously, I've never done a 4473 before deciding on a gun.
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