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Posted: 11/9/2011 6:13:08 PM EDT
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Okay, I guess the question is....why not? And "Ive never heard of them" is an acceptable answer! We're doing some market research right now in prep for something we're releasing and would like to hear the reasons and the horror stories / rumors, etc as we continue testing and getting our new product out there.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 6:15:33 AM EDT
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I just became a dealer for them this week. They are on a 3-5 week backorder right now. I see them as a great option for a budget build, plan on keeping several lowers in stock.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 4:47:44 PM EDT
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I have transfered a couple and will never carry them myself. Just my opinion. YMMV etc
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Posted: 11/10/2011 6:16:09 PM EDT
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I have transfered a couple and will never carry them myself. Just my opinion. YMMV etc
Why not? What do you see that you dont like? |
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Posted: 11/10/2011 6:21:34 PM EDT
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The back falls off
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Posted: 11/10/2011 6:56:32 PM EDT
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Can you guys elaborate? I havent been able to find any real negative reviews thus far...granted I havent gone past page two of a google search...
Shane |
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Posted: 11/10/2011 8:59:46 PM EDT
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Can you guys elaborate? I havent been able to find any real negative reviews thus far...granted I havent gone past page two of a google search... Shane broken fcg's, split receivers. search the archives |
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Posted: 11/10/2011 10:08:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: The back falls off Have you seen the back "fall off" of one? I've sold over 2K of them and have had 2 come back for front pins. |
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Posted: 11/10/2011 10:09:49 PM EDT
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Quoted: Have you seen any fail? I've seen a pic of one that has failed out of 22K built and it was because it had the shit beaten out of it in a vice.Quoted: Can you guys elaborate? I havent been able to find any real negative reviews thus far...granted I havent gone past page two of a google search... Shane broken fcg's, split receivers. search the archives Any evidence of these failures, or just the same old internet rumors? I'm trying to get some tests done now that will help disprove a lot of these myths. It seems people believe what they read without any real proof or personal experience.
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Posted: 11/10/2011 10:11:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Can you guys elaborate? I havent been able to find any real negative reviews thus far...granted I havent gone past page two of a google search... Shane Because the only negative you hear is from people that don't own them and are speculating or listening to made up stories on the web. They are not meant to be a combat rifle, but for a budget build, a 2nd AR, an AR for the wife, gf, kids, etc. they are a great bang for the buck. Just trying to find some factual negatives with proof so i can start working to fix any problems that might be there, but like I said, any real evidence of failures is hard to find.
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Posted: 11/11/2011 2:16:07 AM EDT
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The back falls off what part of an AR lower is "the back"? i would like to hear more about this. i sell these things like crazy and have yet to have one come back. great value for a lightweight budget build! |
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Posted: 11/11/2011 10:35:29 AM EDT
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Have you seen any fail? I've seen a pic of one that has failed out of 22K built and it was because it had the shit beaten out of it in a vice. Any evidence of these failures, or just the same old internet rumors? I'm trying to get some tests done now that will help disprove a lot of these myths. It seems people believe what they read without any real proof or personal experience. I've seen pictures in the failure threads, yes. It's possible they were photoshopped, or broken on purpose, by hand, just to defame PCF, but I don't believe that. Several were commented on over at co-ar15.com, or maybe it was gunsnet, with pics of a broken hammer, and pics of a receiver broken in half at the front of the magwell (two different posters/rifles). YMMV |
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Posted: 11/12/2011 2:13:23 AM EDT
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I don't stock them in my shop. But, I'm a small shop in the country. Haven't had anyone ask about them. I do stock alot of lowers from stripped on up.
Guess I'm old fashioned, since I'm 62. I'm on several boards and it seems like it's the WalMart shoppers that go wild over these. They get all excited when another group buy thread starts for them. What's so bad about adding a few more $$$$ to have the real deal. If it's just $$$$ maybe you shouldn't be building in the first place imo. |
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Posted: 11/16/2011 5:17:05 PM EDT
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I built one for my wife just for fun and to try. We have 2k round through it and it has never missed a beat. Running M855 with a Spikes Upper. Great little lowers.
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Posted: 11/17/2011 8:53:51 PM EDT
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I sell them but can't stock them because they sell out so fast. I've sold about 150 of them them without any problems. Even did a post sample with one with a 50 beowulf!
The only thing to watch out for is they have a very tight fit (by design) with the upper so you have to be carefull how you separate them. |
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Posted: 11/20/2011 12:10:57 AM EDT
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They have some serious issues with the bolt release position being out of spec. On a lot of uppers, you can not use it to release a locked open bolt (release is touching the upper in the open position). Plum Crazy knows of the issue but their customer service sucks. They avoid me like the plague every time I call on the promised modified bolt releases and usually get the run around. Luckily I only ordered 5 lowers and were glad when they finally left the store. Instant message me if you have questions of my wonderful experience.
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Posted: 11/22/2011 7:20:51 AM EDT
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Thanks for the feedback guys. Any tests that you would like to see done to prove that they won't fall apart at the range or melt in your hand? Throw out some ideas, I think you'll be very suprised come Jan/Fab time frame!!
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Posted: 11/22/2011 10:00:07 AM EDT
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Report over on co-ar15.com of the plastic FCG wearing out and doubling/bursting after a reported 5k rounds of .22 through it. User there is getting replacements from PCF, but going to switch over to a regular metal FCG. Still keeping his PCF as the base of his .22, though.
http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthread.php?t=47267 |
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Posted: 12/29/2011 9:47:54 AM EDT
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Okay, the second test of the series is up. We crush the magwell with a ram 20 thousandths more than an aluminum receiver and the alum receiver barely takes a mag, bust a pivot pin, and won't drop the mag. The LW-15 polymer lower bounces back to shape, no cracking, easily accepts a mag, then drops free. Here are the first two tests if you guys would like to watch them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaFevpTka-I&context=C31785e2ADOEgsToPDskI5bsw6ZsY8WrBuya4S1BmB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qpnmi3XPP8&context=C3cd6ca5ADOEgsToPDskJxECecajddHLu0sL2ni2qy |
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Posted: 12/30/2011 5:55:21 AM EDT
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Okay, the second test of the series is up. We crush the magwell with a ram 20 thousandths more than an aluminum receiver and the alum receiver barely takes a mag, bust a pivot pin, and won't drop the mag. The LW-15 polymer lower bounces back to shape, no cracking, easily accepts a mag, then drops free. Here are the first two tests if you guys would like to watch them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaFevpTka-I&context=C31785e2ADOEgsToPDskI5bsw6ZsY8WrBuya4S1BmB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qpnmi3XPP8&context=C3cd6ca5ADOEgsToPDskJxECecajddHLu0sL2ni2qy Great test but 0.1665 - .1645 = .002" two thousandths. Not twenty thousanths |
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Posted: 1/8/2012 9:44:20 PM EDT
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We just put a third video up on our Youtube channel and the LW-15 facebook page (www.facebook.com/NFALW15) Check it out!
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Posted: 1/9/2012 1:24:29 AM EDT
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We just put a third video up on our Youtube channel and the LW-15 facebook page (www.facebook.com/NFALW15) Check it out! So you're prviate labeling a polymer lower? Have you done anything different from Plum Crazy? |
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Posted: 1/9/2012 7:11:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: We just put a third video up on our Youtube channel and the LW-15 facebook page (www.facebook.com/NFALW15) Check it out! So you're prviate labeling a polymer lower? Have you done anything different from Plum Crazy? Yes. Similiar mold, but different poly/fiber blend and all different (ALL US MADE) parts. Along with better marketing, assembly, and dealer support. AND.....price. They'll retail for $99 Complete. PC is raising their dealer COST to that in the next week. Our dealer pricing is much better with much higher profit margins for our dealers. |
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Posted: 1/9/2012 7:12:47 PM EDT
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IM sent.
Hook a fellow Nevadan up! 
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Posted: 1/9/2012 7:21:08 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Okay, the second test of the series is up. We crush the magwell with a ram 20 thousandths more than an aluminum receiver and the alum receiver barely takes a mag, bust a pivot pin, and won't drop the mag. The LW-15 polymer lower bounces back to shape, no cracking, easily accepts a mag, then drops free. Here are the first two tests if you guys would like to watch them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaFevpTka-I&context=C31785e2ADOEgsToPDskI5bsw6ZsY8WrBuya4S1BmB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qpnmi3XPP8&context=C3cd6ca5ADOEgsToPDskJxECecajddHLu0sL2ni2qy Cute test, but what about the back falling off? |
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Posted: 1/9/2012 9:17:53 PM EDT
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As far as I know, it only happened twice on a poly lower, and it was because user #1 stuck a rifle buffer in a carbine tube, and the second one was beat to death in a vice. Watch the 3rd video we posted, we beat the crap out of it and couldn't get "the back to fall off" |
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Posted: 1/11/2012 12:13:30 PM EDT
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Been looking into these for a while finally somebody did it right! Question on the trigger guard.......is it one-piece molded to the receiver? If so would it be possible to mold a winter trigger guard or make it like a forged one were the end user can install there own (magpul)?
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Posted: 1/11/2012 6:59:47 PM EDT
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We just put a third video up on our Youtube channel and the LW-15 facebook page (www.facebook.com/NFALW15) Check it out! So you're prviate labeling a polymer lower? Have you done anything different from Plum Crazy? Yes. Similiar mold, but different poly/fiber blend and all different (ALL US MADE) parts. Along with better marketing, assembly, and dealer support. AND.....price. They'll retail for $99 Complete. PC is raising their dealer COST to that in the next week. Our dealer pricing is much better with much higher profit margins for our dealers. Plum Crazy is building them for you? |
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Posted: 1/11/2012 9:48:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Been looking into these for a while finally somebody did it right! Question on the trigger guard.......is it one-piece molded to the receiver? If so would it be possible to mold a winter trigger guard or make it like a forged one were the end user can install there own (magpul)? We looked at a few different ways to do the trigger guard, and at the end of the day we just couldn't get the strength we needed out of it any other way. Its something we'll work on in the future, but the initial runs will have a straight trigger guard thats part of the receiver mold.
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Posted: 1/11/2012 9:49:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We just put a third video up on our Youtube channel and the LW-15 facebook page (www.facebook.com/NFALW15) Check it out! So you're prviate labeling a polymer lower? Have you done anything different from Plum Crazy? Yes. Similiar mold, but different poly/fiber blend and all different (ALL US MADE) parts. Along with better marketing, assembly, and dealer support. AND.....price. They'll retail for $99 Complete. PC is raising their dealer COST to that in the next week. Our dealer pricing is much better with much higher profit margins for our dealers. Plum Crazy is building them for you? No. We're having the receiver molded by another company (NOT plumcrazy) but everything else is done in house at NFA. |
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Posted: 1/11/2012 9:49:26 PM EDT
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WWW.LW15.COM IS LIVE!!
The website is up! Our designer did an awesome job to get everything together. Please spend a few minutes and check it out. Any dealers that are intrested in carrying the products, fill out the dealer app on the website and we'll get you out a dealer packet via e-mail. |
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Posted: 1/14/2012 2:07:55 PM EDT
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Looks like you guys sold ou! Congrats!
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Posted: 1/14/2012 2:47:50 PM EDT
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We'll have the first retail batch up on the website on 24 Jan. We might do pre-orders 1 week out, but we haven't decided yet.
Dealer orders sold out the first day we offered the packages. |
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Posted: 2/4/2012 5:21:19 PM EDT
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This is a very good lower. Very minor fit issue. Other than that and once broke in, functions flawlessly. Good job, guys...
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Posted: 2/5/2012 12:38:50 PM EDT
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Thanks for the feedback.
Right now we're shipping retail orders same day and 4-6 days out on dealer orders, so for you dealers that still want in please go to www.LW15.com and fill out the dealer app so we can get you out a price list. |
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Posted: 2/14/2012 10:41:17 AM EDT
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What type of stock and lower parts kits are in the complete lowers? Are they metal standard mil-spec or all plastic?
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Posted: 2/15/2012 8:54:31 AM EDT
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Most of the FCG is a polymer/fiber blend, all the springs and some pins are standard steel made by the same big mfg's that sell to the top 10 brands. |
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Posted: 2/15/2012 10:04:18 AM EDT
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Who's mold are you using...your own or Plum Crazy's?
What makes your "polymer blend" and different than Plum Crazy's? |
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Posted: 2/15/2012 2:06:58 PM EDT
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I was selling them, but I believe they just had a price increase. If so I am no longer interested in them, may contact you and see what we can do.
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Posted: 2/16/2012 2:50:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Who's mold are you using...your own or Plum Crazy's? What makes your "polymer blend" and different than Plum Crazy's? As we went through this before, PC does NOT own any molds, they do NOT mold their own products. Its a newer recipe polymer that has higher strength ratings. |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 2:51:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: I was selling them, but I believe they just had a price increase. If so I am no longer interested in them, may contact you and see what we can do. Go to www.LW15.com and click "become a dealer". You'll be very happy with our dealer program as it has MUCH higher margins than PC. |
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Posted: 2/16/2012 4:52:14 PM EDT
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Who's mold are you using...your own or Plum Crazy's? As we went through this before, PC does NOT own any molds, they do NOT mold their own products. Let me re-phrase the question...are you using the same molds that PC is using? |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 1:50:47 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who's mold are you using...your own or Plum Crazy's? As we went through this before, PC does NOT own any molds, they do NOT mold their own products. Let me re-phrase the question...are you using the same molds that PC is using? Let me give you the same answer. We outsource the injection molding process. NOT to PC. Daniel Defense is using the same pistol grip as us. Go question them if you're bored and have nothing better to do than troll around. |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 2:33:39 PM EDT
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Who's mold are you using...your own or Plum Crazy's? As we went through this before, PC does NOT own any molds, they do NOT mold their own products. Let me re-phrase the question...are you using the same molds that PC is using? Let me give you the same answer. We outsource the injection molding process. NOT to PC. Daniel Defense is using the same pistol grip as us. Go question them if you're bored and have nothing better to do than troll around. Don't get so defensive. It's a legitimate question that many of us want to know the answer as well. If there is a material difference between a Plumcrazy and a New Frontier I want to be able to tell my customers what that is. |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 2:48:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who's mold are you using...your own or Plum Crazy's? As we went through this before, PC does NOT own any molds, they do NOT mold their own products. Let me re-phrase the question...are you using the same molds that PC is using? Let me give you the same answer. We outsource the injection molding process. NOT to PC. Daniel Defense is using the same pistol grip as us. Go question them if you're bored and have nothing better to do than troll around. Don't get so defensive. It's a legitimate question that many of us want to know the answer as well. If there is a material difference between a Plumcrazy and a New Frontier I want to be able to tell my customers what that is. If you could only see the PM''s that we've had back and forth, you'd understand why I'm tired of talking to him. Its a newly engineered poly/fiber blend thats used in our molding. Not the same as what PC is using. |
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Posted: 2/17/2012 8:32:42 PM EDT
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Who's mold are you using...your own or Plum Crazy's? As we went through this before, PC does NOT own any molds, they do NOT mold their own products. Let me re-phrase the question...are you using the same molds that PC is using? Let me give you the same answer. We outsource the injection molding process. NOT to PC. Daniel Defense is using the same pistol grip as us. Go question them if you're bored and have nothing better to do than troll around. 
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Posted: 2/20/2012 10:03:11 PM EDT
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Some quick dealer feedback:
We took some of these lowers to a gun show over the weekend and they sold very well. Our asking price was significantly over the MSRP (basically what it would cost to buy one online plus shipping and transfer fees) and they still moved very well. Of course there were a lot of polymer skeptics but I had forged lowers to offer those types as well.
We just placed an order for more!! Thanks Guido!! |
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Posted: 2/21/2012 7:14:58 PM EDT
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Are the hammers metal or plastic? I don't like the feel of the plastic hammer on the PC.
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Posted: 2/21/2012 7:16:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: Some quick dealer feedback: We took some of these lowers to a gun show over the weekend and they sold very well. Our asking price was significantly over the MSRP (basically what it would cost to buy one online plus shipping and transfer fees) and they still moved very well. Of course there were a lot of polymer skeptics but I had forged lowers to offer those types as well. We just placed an order for more!! Thanks Guido!! We did the same at our show in Vegas this weekend. Did you enjoy the wait time when calling DPS? :-( Glad they moved well for you, we're getting similar feedback from all of our dealers. |
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Posted: 2/21/2012 7:16:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Are the hammers metal or plastic? I don't like the feel of the plastic hammer on the PC. The LPK is mostly polymer including the hammer |
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