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Posted: 11/25/2015 6:37:15 PM EDT
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I have heard of 2 documented cases (not just repeats of someone that knows a guy) of that happening and there are over 100,000 KSG's in circulation so I wouldn't exact say they are known for that problem. I put about 1,800 rounds through mine with no problems using a Magpul vert grip before I decided to put the aftermarket aluminum rail on just for the hell of it. I still think it would be fine today without it.
Here is a picture of mine with about 1,000 rounds through it before I put the aluminum rail on it. 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:15:00 PM EDT
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But didn't the two that were publicized result in serious damage to the shooter's off hand? I've read in the comments of some of the articles about the injuries that other people had the same issue but were able to refrain from firing. Changing to a metal rail seems to solve the problem, but I think I'll pass on the KSG just the same and stay with something that has a bit more barrel out front.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 8:56:13 PM EDT
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But didn't the two that were publicized result in serious damage to the shooter's off hand? I've read in the comments of some of the articles about the injuries that other people had the same issue but were able to refrain from firing. Changing to a metal rail seems to solve the problem, but I think I'll pass on the KSG just the same and stay with something that has a bit more barrel out front. Yes in both cases the shooters support hand was shot. I also know of 6 documented cases where the shooters shot their support hand with SBR's. Four of those cases were HK MP5K's and two cases were 7.5" AR's. The bottom line is when you have a weapon of any make that puts your support hand near the muzzle, make damn sure you know where it is before pulling the trigger. Most of my SBR's are ultra short. I have a 5" MP5K, 7" AK47, 7.5" 6.8 SPC AR, 4" VZ61, 7.5" XCR, 5" Vector, 4" Micro UZI, & 9" stand alone 40mm. You can be damned sure I know where my off hand is at all times. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 9:28:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have heard of 2 documented cases (not just repeats of someone that knows a guy) of that happening and there are over 100,000 KSG's in circulation so I wouldn't exact say they are known for that problem. I put about 1,800 rounds through mine with no problems using a Magpul vert grip before I decided to put the aftermarket aluminum rail on just for the hell of it. I still think it would be fine today without it. Here is a picture of mine with about 1,000 rounds through it before I put the aluminum rail on it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/MadDogDan/DSC00453_zpsd1f797eb.jpg |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 10:15:55 PM EDT
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Yes in both cases the shooters support hand was shot. I also know of 6 documented cases where the shooters shot their support hand with SBR's. Four of those cases were HK MP5K's and two cases were 7.5" AR's. The bottom line is when you have a weapon of any make that puts your support hand near the muzzle, make damn sure you know where it is before pulling the trigger. Most of my SBR's are ultra short. I have a 5" MP5K, 7" AK47, 7.5" 6.8 SPC AR, 4" VZ61, 7.5" XCR, 5" Vector, 4" Micro UZI, & 9" stand alone 40mm. You can be damned sure I know where my off hand is at all times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But didn't the two that were publicized result in serious damage to the shooter's off hand? I've read in the comments of some of the articles about the injuries that other people had the same issue but were able to refrain from firing. Changing to a metal rail seems to solve the problem, but I think I'll pass on the KSG just the same and stay with something that has a bit more barrel out front. Yes in both cases the shooters support hand was shot. I also know of 6 documented cases where the shooters shot their support hand with SBR's. Four of those cases were HK MP5K's and two cases were 7.5" AR's. The bottom line is when you have a weapon of any make that puts your support hand near the muzzle, make damn sure you know where it is before pulling the trigger. Most of my SBR's are ultra short. I have a 5" MP5K, 7" AK47, 7.5" 6.8 SPC AR, 4" VZ61, 7.5" XCR, 5" Vector, 4" Micro UZI, & 9" stand alone 40mm. You can be damned sure I know where my off hand is at all times. There's a big difference between the non KSG cases you mention and the two KSG cases: in the KSG a factory part *failed* during operation. The other SBR issues were most likely negligence. I'm not saying there wasn't any negligence in the KSG events, because you're right - you need to know where your hands are before you shoot. However, we train to build muscle memory and I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that these people trained to fire as soon as the slide slammed home, just like they would on an 870 or 590. The fact that a *factory* part failed is a big problem. You don't have the pumping action on a SBR. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:40:06 PM EDT
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Which aluminum rail is the least cumbersome?
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:30:05 AM EDT
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To be fair, in one of those two KSG cases the plastic rail did not break. The shooter was using some super-cheesy plastic foregrip that was held in place via a vertical pin and the foregrip broke or slid off the rail. The Magpul foregrip will not do this as it uses two horizontal metal screws that slot into the rail.
I'm not sure if the rail broke or not in the other case. This is apparently the grip that was used: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/08/15/man-files-suit-kel-tec-promag-shooting-accident/ 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 9:06:43 AM EDT
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I was comparing my newest Gen KSG with a used (I think Gen 1) and it appears the latest generation has a bit more meat on the rail area.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:34:11 AM EDT
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Which aluminum rail is the least cumbersome? I have the rail made by HI-TECHN Custom Concepts. It is as low profile as they get and nothing is going to break it. You can find them on their web site, www.HITEC.com |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:59:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Are the lower rails on the KSGs still known to break off when using a VFG? Happy thanksgiving |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:03:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was comparing my newest Gen KSG with a used (I think Gen 1) and it appears the latest generation has a bit more meat on the rail area. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:10:54 PM EDT
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Gen 1 Gen 2 |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:18:33 PM EDT
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Awesome! Thanks
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:24:59 PM EDT
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Yes in both cases the shooters support hand was shot. I also know of 6 documented cases where the shooters shot their support hand with SBR's. Four of those cases were HK MP5K's and two cases were 7.5" AR's. The bottom line is when you have a weapon of any make that puts your support hand near the muzzle, make damn sure you know where it is before pulling the trigger. Most of my SBR's are ultra short. I have a 5" MP5K, 7" AK47, 7.5" 6.8 SPC AR, 4" VZ61, 7.5" XCR, 5" Vector, 4" Micro UZI, & 9" stand alone 40mm. You can be damned sure I know where my off hand is at all times. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But didn't the two that were publicized result in serious damage to the shooter's off hand? I've read in the comments of some of the articles about the injuries that other people had the same issue but were able to refrain from firing. Changing to a metal rail seems to solve the problem, but I think I'll pass on the KSG just the same and stay with something that has a bit more barrel out front. Yes in both cases the shooters support hand was shot. I also know of 6 documented cases where the shooters shot their support hand with SBR's. Four of those cases were HK MP5K's and two cases were 7.5" AR's. The bottom line is when you have a weapon of any make that puts your support hand near the muzzle, make damn sure you know where it is before pulling the trigger. Most of my SBR's are ultra short. I have a 5" MP5K, 7" AK47, 7.5" 6.8 SPC AR, 4" VZ61, 7.5" XCR, 5" Vector, 4" Micro UZI, & 9" stand alone 40mm. You can be damned sure I know where my off hand is at all times. Which is why on the shorter barrel AUG's the grip does not fold. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 11:28:07 PM EDT
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I have the rail made by HI-TECHN Custom Concepts. It is as low profile as they get and nothing is going to break it. You can find them on their web site, www.HITEC.com Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which aluminum rail is the least cumbersome? I have the rail made by HI-TECHN Custom Concepts. It is as low profile as they get and nothing is going to break it. You can find them on their web site, www.HITEC.com All I found was electronic crap at that site. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 1:06:43 PM EDT
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All I found was electronic crap at that site. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which aluminum rail is the least cumbersome? I have the rail made by HI-TECHN Custom Concepts. It is as low profile as they get and nothing is going to break it. You can find them on their web site, www.HITEC.com All I found was electronic crap at that site. My mistake, the web site is www.HITECHCC.com |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:57:02 PM EDT
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On it. Thanks.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 6:32:31 PM EDT
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So, most people here aren't having problems with their stock rails?
Side note, would a Carlson comp or other muzzle device be worth buying? It seems like it would make it safer if they work as well as I've read. |
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Posted: 11/29/2015 8:01:30 AM EDT
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So, most people here aren't having problems with their stock rails? Side note, would a Carlson comp or other muzzle device be worth buying? It seems like it would make it safer if they work as well as I've read. No most people are not. |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 9:38:04 PM EDT
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Ok, thanks guys.
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