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Posted: 3/18/2017 7:58:20 PM EDT
[#1]
sierra 77 grain tmk in lake city brass with 24 grain of cfe-223 cci 400 primers. also have some barnes tac-x 70 grain home loaded as well.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 8:10:12 PM EDT
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I have a 1/9 so I'm sort of limited to mostly lighter grain stuff for rite now :/
I do plan on getting a 1/7 twist 20inch gun I think maybe 16 not sure yet but Il keep that info thank you! :) |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 8:12:13 PM EDT
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sierra 77 grain tmk in lake city brass with 24 grain of cfe-223 cci 400 primers. also have some barnes tac-x 70 grain home loaded as well. |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 8:20:28 PM EDT
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25.0 grains of H335 with any quality 55 grain SP seated to mag length and CCI 450 primers is my go to cheap bulk load, so I'm most likely to have that on hand.
It's sure not match ammo, but does well in my AR's with 1/9 or 1/7 twist barrels. |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 8:22:38 PM EDT
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77gr SIERRA
24.3 TAC LC brass winchester primers 2.260" 2787fps Loaded on an XL650 
================ 6.9mmSPC 110gr VMAX H322 
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Posted: 3/18/2017 8:29:21 PM EDT
[#6]
55 and 62 gr FMJBT's. |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 8:31:27 PM EDT
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Just about the same load as you OP, but .5gr more powder. Cheap and effective.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI keep my bulk .223 handloads on strippers in ammo cans with a couple spoons too.
I think that's the best way to do it. |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:08:46 PM EDT
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I keep my bulk .223 handloads on strippers in ammo cans with a couple spoons too. I think that's the best way to do it. Nice 
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:27:36 PM EDT
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Awesome thanks everyone, and If I needed to for more velocity I know the 26 works well in my gun but those cases aren't gonna last long.
I have a quick question, if I stopped crimping the bullets, that's gonna lower the pressure correct? Because from what iv read that should be close to m193 velocity and I'm guessing just as effective on human targets. Maybe Il keep a few mags worth loaded up with the hot stuff for shtf. I know any bullet is gonna do damage but would the 24 grain yaw and fragment as well as something loaded up to say 3200fps? |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:29:10 PM EDT
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I keep my bulk .223 handloads on strippers in ammo cans with a couple spoons too. I think that's the best way to do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I think that's the best way to do it. Iv seen them in the one gun shop I go to but never payed them any mind. |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:41:36 PM EDT
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The loads I have worked up and prefer is,
For bulk I like Hornady 55 grain FMJ, 24.5-25.0 grains of H335 in Lake city or WCC NATO brass seated to mid cannelure (2.220ish) Lee FCD for crimp.CCI 41 for primers. Loaded on a Dillon 550C. For a little more accurate work, I load 69 grain Sierra match kings with 25.3 grains of Varget (24.5 grains of Varget also works well) seated to 2.260 in Lake city or WCC NATO brass (match prepped) light Lee FCD crimp. CCI 41 primers. Sub MOA load for me in a variety of AR's. Loaded on a Redding T7 Also really like for match grade stuff 77 grain Sierra Match kings, loaded with either 22.8 or 23.2 grains of IMR 8208 XBR seated to 2.250 in Lake city or WCC NATO brass (match prepped) Very light crimp using Lee FCD and CCI 41 primers. Also very accurate load for me in a variety of AR's. Loaded on a Redding T7 |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:42:53 PM EDT
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yes the gmx would be a good choice as well as the 62 grain ttsx maybe even a 69 tmk if your barrel would like them, all pretty pricey compared to sp or fmj. a self defense round for me is a bullet that stops in the intended target, absorbing 100% of the energy with that said shot placement is the main concern not bullet type. I stock the 77 tmk and prolly 1000 70 grain tac-x but keep a stock pile of plinking fmj and sp on hand as well. as for barrel length to me it don't matter, from 0-500 yards I really don't think the extra velocity you gain is gonna matter when you have to or choose to shoot something. 16 inch on all mine.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 9:46:48 PM EDT
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Would those strippers work with mags too? Iv seen them in the one gun shop I go to but never payed them any mind. Push down on the rounds in the clip and they are inserted into the mag very fast, remove empty clip and replace twice and mag is loaded. With a little practice it's a very fast system. |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 10:27:51 PM EDT
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My SHTF load is all and any .223 ammo.
"Isis didn't take most of the Middle East with Gucci ammo". (SGM John "Shrek" McPhee) Although I am still working up a new load with M855A1 bullets.  . These will be my legit SHTF loads.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 10:34:54 PM EDT
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Awesome thanks everyone, and If I needed to for more velocity I know the 26 works well in my gun but those cases aren't gonna last long. I have a quick question, if I stopped crimping the bullets, that's gonna lower the pressure correct? Because from what iv read that should be close to m193 velocity and I'm guessing just as effective on human targets. Maybe Il keep a few mags worth loaded up with the hot stuff for shtf. I know any bullet is gonna do damage but would the 24 grain yaw and fragment as well as something loaded up to say 3200fps? 24.0 grains of H335 with a 55 grain bullet is a fairly respectable and common load for AR's. If accuracy and reliability are good I'd stick with that, and I think not crimping would theoretically reduce pressure a tiny bit but not enough to matter one way or another with that load. |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 10:35:01 PM EDT
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M-193, or better yet, real M855 bullets (not just a lead core only 62 gr bullet) if you need to punch through something first before it reaches the soft target.
As for the M-855a1 bullet, not sure if anyone is selling them yet, but you can find pull down m-855's to reload with instead. 
If just a direct shot to a soft target, then either Soft point, or a HP bullets since it will transfer all it energy in the first few inches on entry (unlike the M-193 or M855 that will just punch through and not transfer all there energy into the target instead). |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 10:44:18 PM EDT
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Could be wrong but pretty sure crimping increases your pressure.
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Posted: 3/18/2017 10:54:20 PM EDT
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M-193, or better yet, real M855 bullets (not just a lead core only 62 gr bullet) if you need to punch through something first before it reaches the soft target. http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/m855.jpg As for the M-855a1 bullet, not sure if anyone is selling them yet, but you can find pull down m-855's to reload with instead. http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/m855a102.jpg If just a direct shot to a soft target, then either Soft point, or a HP bullets since it will transfer all it energy in the first few inches on entry (unlike the M-193 or M855 that will just punch through and not transfer all there energy into the target instead). |
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Posted: 3/18/2017 11:29:57 PM EDT
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Exactly wouldn't the op be better off with a 55gr Hornady soft point http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2006/smallarms/gandy.pdf |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 2:40:34 AM EDT
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The spoon goes in a slot on the mag. Then the stripper clip is inserted in the spoon. Push down on the rounds in the clip and they are inserted into the mag very fast, remove empty clip and replace twice and mag is loaded. With a little practice it's a very fast system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would those strippers work with mags too? Iv seen them in the one gun shop I go to but never payed them any mind. Push down on the rounds in the clip and they are inserted into the mag very fast, remove empty clip and replace twice and mag is loaded. With a little practice it's a very fast system. |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 2:41:51 AM EDT
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My SHTF load is all and any .223 ammo. "Isis didn't take most of the Middle East with Gucci ammo". (SGM John "Shrek" McPhee) Although I am still working up a new load with M855A1 bullets. . These will be my legit SHTF loads. And if I had the money I'd buy those by the thousand but they are extremely expensive like over a dollar a head lol |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 2:43:31 AM EDT
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Truthfully, if what you're doing now is working, I wouldn't change anything. 24.0 grains of H335 with a 55 grain bullet is a fairly respectable and common load for AR's. If accuracy and reliability are good I'd stick with that, and I think not crimping would theoretically reduce pressure a tiny bit but not enough to matter one way or another with that load. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awesome thanks everyone, and If I needed to for more velocity I know the 26 works well in my gun but those cases aren't gonna last long. I have a quick question, if I stopped crimping the bullets, that's gonna lower the pressure correct? Because from what iv read that should be close to m193 velocity and I'm guessing just as effective on human targets. Maybe Il keep a few mags worth loaded up with the hot stuff for shtf. I know any bullet is gonna do damage but would the 24 grain yaw and fragment as well as something loaded up to say 3200fps? 24.0 grains of H335 with a 55 grain bullet is a fairly respectable and common load for AR's. If accuracy and reliability are good I'd stick with that, and I think not crimping would theoretically reduce pressure a tiny bit but not enough to matter one way or another with that load. |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 2:47:44 AM EDT
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M-193, or better yet, real M855 bullets (not just a lead core only 62 gr bullet) if you need to punch through something first before it reaches the soft target. http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/m855.jpg As for the M-855a1 bullet, not sure if anyone is selling them yet, but you can find pull down m-855's to reload with instead. http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/m855a102.jpg If just a direct shot to a soft target, then either Soft point, or a HP bullets since it will transfer all it energy in the first few inches on entry (unlike the M-193 or M855 that will just punch through and not transfer all there energy into the target instead). They load both of those heads in their tactical ammo for law enforcement, and I'm a big fan of hornady products. Do you think with the soft point would give enough damage to internal organs? Or would it basicly just blow up within an inch? That's my only fear with a lot of the soft point rounds in this caliber |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 11:45:08 AM EDT
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If you must handload for bad times, load a bullet weight that will work in any barrel twist. 1:10 & 1:9 twists are far more common if you end up having to use a pick up rifle because you broke your plastic and aluminum favorite. Max out around 62 to 64 grain, there are a lot of surplus "pulled" bonded core bullets on the market right now to choose from. I'd recommend TAC for your powder needs with heavier bullets. It's also great for 55 gr, and I use it a lot for all 223/5.56 loads.
I would seriously recommend stockpiling as much factory ammo as you can afford to buy, even if it's only a few boxes every payday. |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 12:46:26 PM EDT
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Would those strippers work with mags too? Iv seen them in the one gun shop I go to but never payed them any mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think that's the best way to do it. Iv seen them in the one gun shop I go to but never payed them any mind. also great if you're going to a rifle class or machine gun shoot. 
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Posted: 3/19/2017 12:55:54 PM EDT
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If you look at most reloading manuals 24 grains of most manuals 24 grains of just about any rifle powder will run a 54 grain hornady more than adequately. I think in fact that combination is a pretty high performer.
I wonder how many you have to buy to get to the sub 10 cent per round range? That makes it SHTF |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 1:40:40 PM EDT
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If you look at most reloading manuals 24 grains of most manuals 24 grains of just about any rifle powder will run a 54 grain hornady more than adequately. I think in fact that combination is a pretty high performer. I wonder how many you have to buy to get to the sub 10 cent per round range? That makes it SHTF |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 5:33:13 PM EDT
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Do you think with the soft point would give enough damage to internal organs? Or would it basically just blow up within an inch? That's my only fear with a lot of the soft point rounds in this caliber Bottom line, a human chest is only about 10" thick, and you want to transfer all the energy of the bullet withing this 10", instead of the bullet continue out the back, and still retaining energy is did not transfer to the chest instead. |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 5:51:52 PM EDT
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I would get some of the overrun/pulled 62gr fusion bullets and make a SHTF stockpile with them and use TAC for powder.
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Posted: 3/19/2017 6:44:47 PM EDT
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If you're asking about just bullets, Brownells has 55 grain FMJs for around 7 cents shipped. If you're talking about loaded rounds sub 10 cents, you will have to find unusually good deals, or swage your own bullets, and probably use salvaged powder of some kind. |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 6:46:32 PM EDT
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I would get some of the overrun/pulled 62gr fusion bullets and make a SHTF stockpile with them and use TAC for powder. |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 8:37:12 PM EDT
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I would get some of the overrun/pulled 62gr fusion bullets and make a SHTF stockpile with them and use TAC for powder. |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 8:38:47 PM EDT
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Beware. I bought 1000 of those from RMR. They range in weight from 60grains to 64.5 grains. I don't even want to see what the variance in weights do to my reloads without first segregating them and comparing. |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 9:13:51 PM EDT
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Yes bullets only. I'm going to chase that deal. I have confidence in the Hornady that if I buy a 1000 they will be as consistent as the ones I buy from Academy for $14.99 per 100. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're asking about just bullets, Brownells has 55 grain FMJs for around 7 cents shipped. If you're talking about loaded rounds sub 10 cents, you will have to find unusually good deals, or swage your own bullets, and probably use salvaged powder of some kind. <snip> in threads like these just mention where something can be found, no hot links please. Link was to Brownells. dryflash3 |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 9:29:22 PM EDT
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Haven't got into reloading yet, so I've got a decent stockpile of M193 and M855, but for the mag in the HD Tavor, the first 12 rounds are 77gr Sierra TMK followed by 16 rounds of RA556B.
The ballistic gelatin testing with the TMK is impressive with virtually ideal consistency, depth and violent fragmentation. I figure if 12 rounds of it isn't enough, I'll need some barrier blind 5.56 and I saw the opposite of DocGKR's testing with the RA556B being 200-300fps faster through my chrono than LE223T3. Max |
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Posted: 3/19/2017 9:41:05 PM EDT
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Hornady 55 grain FMJBT.
Primers can be CCI, Federal or Tula (had a couple of duds earlier in the year with Tula primers so I'm thinking of pulling all the brass colored primer rounds to use for plinking/range ammo. Powders are: IMR4198 (favorite for years but for real accuracy I have to weigh the charges as neither powder measure throws it consistently.) BLC2 (just recently started using it. Measures consistently and gives me small groups, might not buy anymore IMR4198 for 55 grain loads) H335 (measures even more consistently than BLC2 - barely, but it's slightly better and also gives very good accuracy). Tried TAC a couple of years back. Accuracy was best at a lower powder charge that functioned well in my 16" carbines but not in my 20" rifles - when it was near freezing temperatures. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 3:47:19 AM EDT
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I would get some of the overrun/pulled 62gr fusion bullets and make a SHTF stockpile with them and use TAC for powder. 25gr Tac. CCI #41 primers. In red neck gel testing (aka water jugs and what not), it appears to be a very nasty load. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 12:30:03 PM EDT
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24.5 grains of BL-C(2) , 55 gr Hornady FMJ's with mixed brass, and winchester SRP or cci 400's is what I fill ammo cans up with.
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Posted: 3/20/2017 3:00:41 PM EDT
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Exactly what I've done. 25gr Tac. CCI #41 primers. In red neck gel testing (aka water jugs and what not), it appears to be a very nasty load. 
 Attached File300 BLK 110gr Tac-TX For 5.56 loads, for the most part (95%) Im loading the 55gr Hornady SP or the 62gr Barnes TTSX. The Barnes load is my "go to" if needed. The 55gr is for everything else. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 7:21:47 PM EDT
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I 've done a lot of hog hunting with the 223 and used a lot if different bullets.
The best load I have found so far is 26.8 grns of CFE 223 and a 70 grn Barnes TSX I have also had very good results with this load. 25.5 grns of H335 and either a Barnes 55grn TTSX or Sierra 55grn Gameking HPBT |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 8:38:03 PM EDT
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23.5v gr TAC
Winchester case Winchester small rifle primer 75 gr Hornady HPBT-M bullet 2.235" OAL It works well* in all my rifles and pressure is safe in those firearms. * Works well = feeds and functions 100% reliably and is accurate to at lest 300 yards, even from a 16" barrel (1/8" twist rate). |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 9:58:32 PM EDT
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sierra 77 grain tmk in lake city brass with 24 grain of cfe-223 cci 400 primers. also have some barnes tac-x 70 grain home loaded as well. |
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Posted: 3/20/2017 10:49:28 PM EDT
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Most of my stash is Hornady 55 FMJ over H-335, lately I've been loading mostly 69gr Matchkings Over Norma 202.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 7:01:01 PM EDT
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Huh, did you get the "discount mix" or pulled 62s? You might want to give them a call. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 7:54:31 PM EDT
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I bought a bunch of Hornady 55gr FMJs to load up for stash ammo.
Then my shooting buddy found 77gr Noslers for super cheap. We developed a load with CFE that is pushing 2750 out of a 16 inch gun. Decided on the 77s because they work better out of my SBR |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 8:57:35 PM EDT
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Do you think it would be enough to stop the primer flow and ruining the cases after a few reloads? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awesome thanks everyone, and If I needed to for more velocity I know the 26 works well in my gun but those cases aren't gonna last long. I have a quick question, if I stopped crimping the bullets, that's gonna lower the pressure correct? Because from what iv read that should be close to m193 velocity and I'm guessing just as effective on human targets. Maybe Il keep a few mags worth loaded up with the hot stuff for shtf. I know any bullet is gonna do damage but would the 24 grain yaw and fragment as well as something loaded up to say 3200fps? 24.0 grains of H335 with a 55 grain bullet is a fairly respectable and common load for AR's. If accuracy and reliability are good I'd stick with that, and I think not crimping would theoretically reduce pressure a tiny bit but not enough to matter one way or another with that load. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:28:21 PM EDT
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Any love for the Winchester 64 grain powerpoint? It looks like they can be had for about the same price as the Hornady 55 grain SP in smaller quantities. I've read conflicting info on this bullet.
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Posted: 3/24/2017 12:40:12 AM EDT
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There are a lot of dead deer from the Win 64 gr sp. I would not feel naked with it. It may not give you the "barrier blind" capabilities of more high tech offerings, but if it contacts flesh it's going to be nasty.
Shape limits long rage ballistics. |
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