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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:40:17 AM EDT
I'm new to reloading and would like a recommendation for dies for 223.

Thanks
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 4:17:55 AM EDT
[#1]
I use Lee dies for my reloading gear.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 6:17:14 AM EDT
[#2]
Any of them will work. If you plan on loading precision rounds I would suggest going with  Redding or Forster inline competition dies.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:17:53 AM EDT
[#3]
I have Hornady .223 dies. I only bought Hornady brand because I bought there press too.

Other wise all the brands work great.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:31:41 AM EDT
[#4]
Over the years I have upgraded to Redding dies.
I particularly like the Competition Seaters.

Looking back, I would have saved $$ by getting the best dies first. That way I would not have a box full of fully-functional dies that I don't use.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:39:05 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:39:45 AM EDT
[#6]
My recommendations -

Redding Type S FL sizing die with a TiN coated bushing

Redding (or Forster) competition seating die

No crimp die is needed but the Lee Factory Crimp Die is decent if you think you have to have one.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 10:30:14 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/2/2016 10:37:54 AM EDT
[#8]
I've used Lee, CH4D, Hornady, RCBS, Lyman, and Redding.

Lee:  Cheap ass crappy dies that work, sort of.  I will only use Lee for really occasional use loads.  Example:  Father in Law had 35 Rem, and I'd load 1 box shells/year for him.

CH4D:  a nearly $200 custom dies set for .310 Martini Cadet.  Quite possibly the single worst die set I've ever seen.

Lyman:  Seems pretty crude, with poor finish.

Hornady:  A decent set.  But they don't offer anything that RCBS cannot equal

RCBS:  Very good dies set, great materials.  World class customer service.  Definitely a good choice

Redding:  Just bought a .280 Ackley Improved premium set with micrometer seating.  Wow!  These are stellar!!!
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 10:41:27 AM EDT
[#9]
I used Dillon. They are treated with the same no BS warranty. Others may have the same warranty, but I prefer Dillon.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 10:58:23 AM EDT
[#10]
I used Hornady, have the older one for .223



but newer ones have the zip spindle which is nice, keeps expander ball/rod from moving
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 11:22:24 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/2/2016 8:10:42 PM EDT
[#12]
For sizing the only set I've ever used are Lee, they simply just work.

For seating, that was another story. Lee seating dies work fine for fmj and sp's but I could never get it to seat deep enough with a tipped bullet, v-max, ballistic tip, etc.

A Hornady seating die solved that problem. If you'll be loading any tipped bullet I would recommend going with a full Hornady set.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 8:47:54 PM EDT
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If your budget is huge, then Redding is certainly a great choice.  Their recent price increase turns me off.



Every company makes excellent dies.  The LEE sizer die has a superior finish despite its cost.  I'm turned off by the cheap feel of the aluminum components used on LEE dies, but it does not affect their function.



Every company will release a bad die for sale occasionally, but it's rare.  That includes RCBS and especially Hornady.  I've never seen a bad Redding or Forster die.  If you run across second hand RCBS dies, the manufacture date is stamped on the end; I look for dies made before the mid 80's.



Pick any standard die set by RCBS, Hornady, Redding, Forster, or LEE with confidence.  Don't bother with small base die (which is just the sizer die, not the set).  "Standard" means plain, baseline dies without bushings or micrometer seaters, and a full length sizer die, not a neck sizer die.



After a while you'll find out that some of us mix dies, say a Redding bushing sizer with a Forster seater, and other combinations depending on individual experience.



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I bought a Redding FL bushing die for my 6.5 Creedmoor that is extremely rough. Almost like it was never lapped.




That reminds me I need to send them an email and see how their warranty is.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:26:57 PM EDT
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My recommendations -

Redding Type S FL sizing die with a TiN coated bushing

Redding (or Forster) competition seating die

No crimp die is needed but the Lee Factory Crimp Die is decent if you think you have to have one.
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This is exactly what I use and recommend.

I've got the Lee FCD too (and it works great), but I don't crimp rifle anymore.
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 1:38:49 AM EDT
[#15]
Thanks for the information. Follow up question:

From experience, do the RCBS X-Dies really prevent from having to trim cases once the initial trim per the instructions has been made? Is it realistic to think that I won't be trimming brass after multiple reloads with the same casing?

Link Posted: 5/3/2016 10:47:08 AM EDT
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...Is it realistic to think that I won't be trimming brass after multiple reloads with the same casing?

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Case stretching happens in the chamber upon firing. Cases will still stretch and still need trimming.

The X die uses a different crimp method that is less dependent upon case length, so the CRIMP will vary less with different case length.
The cases still get longer and will still need trimming when (not if) they get too long.

ETA:
I only recommend bushing dies with neck-turned cases.
Variations in case-neck thickness means that a neck sized to a uniform OUTSIDE diameter will have all of the variation moved to the inside of the neck.
Standard dies use a neck expander that creates a uniform inside diameter.

Measure the case neck thickness and you'll see that they are not very uniform. 0.005" variation in the same case is not at all unusual.
Variation between cases will effect neck tension on the bullet, which also effects accuracy.
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 2:24:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/3/2016 2:31:58 PM EDT
[#18]
Redding Bushing dies.  

You have the option to adjust your bushing size, with replaceable inserts, and skip the expander ball entirely - which is said to give more consistant neck tension and more precise loads.  But if you want the expander ball anyway, then it comes with one as well.  

When I'm done with the dies, I pull out the innards, hit with hot water from the sink, and dry out with a paper towel.  Absorbed heat causes any water film left to quickly evaporate away.  One day I forgot to dry them out.  I used both Hornady and Redding dies (I pop between one or the other depending - while working my way through a bucket of brass).   The Hornady Die (good dies too) was rusted the next day.  The Redding was not.
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 5:18:16 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/3/2016 6:23:08 PM EDT
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Problem with bushing dies, you have to get into neck turning to unify the case neck walls of the lot you are loading.

It not a bad step if you are producing match loads, but over kill for plink'g type ammo instead.

Hence with a expanded ball, the case neck is under sized on the sizing up stroke into that section, then as the case is being pulled out of the sizer, as the ball goes through the case neck as the last step, it sets the ID of the case neck for the needed bullet retention instead (OD of the case necks can vary, due to the varing thickness of the case neck walls).

With a bushing system, once the neck wall thickness are unified to being with (read turned to unify them), then all that is need is to compress the OD of the case walls to set the ID instead.
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Or just use Lapua brass, you can expect +/-.0005" around the circumference IME. I have doubts any neck turner would do much better than +/- .0005".


To add, yes I think using Lapua brass or neck turning would be overkill for plinking  AR loads, just stating neck turn is not a requirement with quality brass.
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 6:57:53 PM EDT
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Any brand will work and you don't need "small base" dies if you adjust your sizing die correctly.
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Or get a gun with a 'tight' chamber and a die that has enough relief for ease of use to not size far enough down.

You do not need a small base die until you know you have a problem.

If not required it is wasted money and work.

Link Posted: 5/3/2016 9:56:56 PM EDT
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I used nothing but Lee for the past 20 years and had no issues, and just recently switched to Forster in 223.  Using the full length sizer and the Ultra micrometer seater die.  So far I'm impressed with the Forster sizer have had no issues, and is a bit easier to setup and maintain.  But I'm really impressed with the Ultra Micrometer Seater Die.  Very little runout using this die compared to the Lee seater.  I'm still using the Lee crimp die.  As a startup you can't go wrong with the price of Lee though, and it'll get you where you need to go.
Link Posted: 5/4/2016 12:46:31 PM EDT
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Any brand will work and you don't need "small base" dies if you adjust your sizing die correctly.
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+1 i have had several ar's, m1's etc with no issues with standard FL dies.
Link Posted: 5/4/2016 6:26:09 PM EDT
[#24]
For sizing I use a X-die.
Seating Is a Hornady
Crimp is a Lee FCD.
Link Posted: 5/4/2016 7:14:35 PM EDT
[#25]
I like Hornady's dies, but I use a Hornady Lock n Load AP progressive press, and the die "deck" is a little thick, so their slightly longer dies work great.

I have Lee, RCBS, CH4D, Lyman and Hornady dies; all of them are well made, but some have nicer features than others.  Lee's rubber O ring lock rings aren't my favorite things, but their collet-retained depriming rods are great - so great that Hornady developed their "Zip Spindle" to do something like Lee's part.

One key thing to keep in mind is that ALL of the major die makers stand behind their dies 100%.  I've goobered up parts of RCBS dies and they've sent me parts FOR FREE, even though the issue was me being clumsy or stupid.  Hornady has done the same for me.  I haven't managed to break any other brands' parts, but I'm certain they'll all take care of me properly when it happens.

So you can decide which brand you want based on lots of things.  I'd go with a middle-of-the-road priced die set, like RCBS or Hornady (their regular, not "small base" dies) and go from there.  You should know that Lee's die sets usually come with a case holder, but nobody else includes that in their main product lines, though Hornady has a new line called their American Series that DOES come with a case holder, and is priced VERY competitively with Lee's dies.
Link Posted: 5/7/2016 12:06:12 AM EDT
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