Swager for Dillon XL650?

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Swager for Dillon XL650?

Posted: 9/8/2015 8:14:02 PM EDT

I have a Dillon XL650 and am looking to find another way to swage my LC .308. Im tired of the slow process. I have read a lot on this forum about the GS Custom swage but all of the posts were from a long time ago and would like an update. Did it actually work well?

I appreciate the help.

Posted: 9/8/2015 9:32:22 PM EDT

[#1]

30k of 556 so far without any issues.

Posted: 9/8/2015 9:39:46 PM EDT

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running mine for 308 sweettttttttttttttttttttttttt

Posted: 9/9/2015 12:11:47 AM EDT

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The only bad thing I've read about it is that will void the warranty on the press. I have not read of anyone using them and breaking something.

I considered buying one but I went ahead and grabbed the Dillon swager. If I get into processing a lot of rifle brass I may go for the unit that mounts on the press.

Posted: 9/9/2015 12:24:22 AM EDT

[#4]

Thanks for the replies. Why does the GS Custom void the warranty? Also, while looking on eBay I found this swage: Link to other swage

Has anyone used this one?

Posted: 9/9/2015 12:39:39 AM EDT

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It voids the warranty because the press was only designed with the force to be seating a primer in that station, not swaging a pocket. I can't tell you what kind of difference there is in the force involved for each operation but that was the explanation that I've seen from Dillon.

Posted: 9/9/2015 1:49:27 PM EDT

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It uses the same force to swage as it does to prime. It bottoms out just like the primer system on the 650. I add a drop of oil to the swager tip everyItime I dump new brass in the hopper. If something was going to break it would have done it during the 30k that I have done. I haven't heard of anyone having issues and even if you did GS said they will replace what ever broke. As far as the warranty how would they ever know unless you told them? I did get the shell plate because it is made better. The dillion one I had I had to send back because one of the holes was out of spec. They did send me a new one but I'm still using the GS one because of the better metal and fit.

Posted: 9/9/2015 2:27:29 PM EDT

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Good to hear. I don't see that they have a shell plate for sale anymore. What do you think about this swage?

Posted: 9/9/2015 6:24:44 PM EDT

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After reading the link below it sounds like the voided warranty isnt really something to worry too much about, you just have to pay for the parts if needed.

This is a pretty good review.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/416185_As_promised___GS_Custom_Dillon_650_swager_write_up__56k_warning.html

Posted: 9/9/2015 10:07:16 PM EDT

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It uses the same force to swage as it does to prime. It bottoms out just like the primer system on the 650. I add a drop of oil to the swager tip everyItime I dump new brass in the hopper. If something was going to break it would have done it during the 30k that I have done. I haven't heard of anyone having issues and even if you did GS said they will replace what ever broke. As far as the warranty how would they ever know unless you told them? I did get the shell plate because it is made better. The dillion one I had I had to send back because one of the holes was out of spec. They did send me a new one but I'm still using the GS one because of the better metal and fit.

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Not according to Dillon, lots of info on the swages over on brian enos forums.

Dillion has posted many times about voiding warranty and the hazards of using that swager. Now whether you believe that or if you care about voiding warranty is a personal choice.

Posted: 9/9/2015 11:35:55 PM EDT

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Im not that concerned about the warranty because after looking at it, this thing is built like a tank. Now its just a choice of the which swage that i want. Has anyone used the swage that I posted above? Im leaning toward it because it doesn't require disassembly of the primer wheel, but only if it works.

Posted: 9/10/2015 7:37:41 AM EDT

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Several reviews here with issues.

http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86376

I'm not entirely talked out of the thing, but I am interested in reading more.

This assumes:
-I start loading high volumes of rifle ammo
-I actually start shooting my rifles enough to justify it

I could really see the value in it for a brass prep cycle combined with the auto trimmer.

Posted: 9/10/2015 8:48:25 AM EDT

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Not according to Dillon, lots of info on the swages over on brian enos forums.

Dillion has posted many times about voiding warranty and the hazards of using that swager. Now whether you believe that or if you care about voiding warranty is a personal choice.

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It uses the same force to swage as it does to prime. It bottoms out just like the primer system on the 650. I add a drop of oil to the swager tip everyItime I dump new brass in the hopper. If something was going to break it would have done it during the 30k that I have done. I haven't heard of anyone having issues and even if you did GS said they will replace what ever broke. As far as the warranty how would they ever know unless you told them? I did get the shell plate because it is made better. The dillion one I had I had to send back because one of the holes was out of spec. They did send me a new one but I'm still using the GS one because of the better metal and fit.

Not according to Dillon, lots of info on the swages over on brian enos forums.

Dillion has posted many times about voiding warranty and the hazards of using that swager. Now whether you believe that or if you care about voiding warranty is a personal choice.

It probably uses a bit more force than priming. Your biggest risks are breaking a shell plate and destroying brass. I use the GS Custom swager and I haven't broken a shell plate yet. If I do break one I can pay for a new one.

Posted: 9/10/2015 4:38:30 PM EDT

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Like I said mine has been such a time saver. My labor alone is worth several new dillions.

Posted: 9/10/2015 5:11:34 PM EDT

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The only way I would use it is if I bought the backing dies that the S1050 uses for each caliber that I plan on swaging.

Honestly though I don't even plan on using the swager on my S1050 as I use mixed brass so the SS600 works better as I can set it for the most aggressive brass and use "feel" to only swage what is needed on the rest.

Posted: 9/10/2015 8:29:42 PM EDT

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The only way I would use it is if I bought the backing dies that the S1050 uses for each caliber that I plan on swaging.

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The 650 doesn't prime on the down stroke, so those backing dies wouldn't help.

That said, I found too many mixed reviews and went for the Dillon bench swager myself.

Posted: 9/10/2015 9:30:00 PM EDT

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The 650 doesn't prime on the down stroke, so those backing dies wouldn't help.

That said, I found too many mixed reviews and went for the Dillon bench swager myself.

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The only way I would use it is if I bought the backing dies that the S1050 uses for each caliber that I plan on swaging.

The 650 doesn't prime on the down stroke, so those backing dies wouldn't help.

That said, I found too many mixed reviews and went for the Dillon bench swager myself.

Doh! I don't know how I didn't think of that since I have a 550B as well. Brain fart I guess.