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Posted: 5/22/2015 10:20:57 AM EDT

Has anyone used this Alliant powder? I have never heard of it before. On Alliant's website it is listed as good for 9mm and .38 Special and .45acp (among other pistol cartridges).
I haven't seen it for sale anywhere, but it looks interesting. The only powder I know of that I would consider as being "very good" for all three of those cartridges would be Hodgdon's HS-6, which is a ball powder that meters very nicely. So, perhaps it is Alliant's equivalent?
Can anyone tell me anything about it?

Posted: 5/22/2015 1:48:59 PM EDT

[#1]

I am working through a pound. It's pretty close to Power Pistol but it has a flash suppressant.

Posted: 5/26/2015 11:50:04 AM EDT

[#2]

Thanks, Chris.
I have found that Power Pistol does work well for 9mm, .38Spl., .44Spl. and 7.62X25 Tok. I particularly like it for the last three, even though it was originally designed for 9mm, I believe. PP is very "flashy" in the Tok cartridge, but it works better than anything else I have tried.

Posted: 5/27/2015 10:43:13 AM EDT

[#3]

I picked up some BE86 a little over a month ago.
Have worked up and tested several loads. I really like it.
I haven't explored the upper end of the loads yet, but seem to get great results in the mid/upper-mid range.

Posted: 5/27/2015 10:53:47 AM EDT

[#4]

I'd like to try some. Seems like it would be a good one for SD type loads.

Posted: 5/28/2015 1:01:38 AM EDT

[#5]

I thought it was supposed to be like Bullseye rather than PP.

Posted: 5/28/2015 1:52:46 AM EDT

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I thought it was supposed to be like Bullseye rather than PP.

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This is what I thought I'd read on their site. That it was basically Bullseye ( Hence the BE ) with flash suppressant in it.

I was wondering if the 86 meant it was going to replace Bullsye, as in 86'd ( killed, deaded, kick off or out ). That would probably be too clever of a reason.

Posted: 5/28/2015 2:09:24 AM EDT

[#7]

Looking at the load recipes at the link below, that's WAY too much powder to be like Bullseye.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?page=/reloaders/powderlist.aspx&type=1&powderid=38&cartridge=23

Posted: 5/28/2015 2:36:15 AM EDT

[#8]

This borders on GD but from what I have read on other reloading forums its more like a low flash cleaner burning Unique. And it's supposed to be less temperature sensitive. Makes me wonder why they used the Bullseye name.

Motor

Posted: 5/28/2015 2:46:18 AM EDT

[#9]

I found this cached in google from this sites archive.....................

Troepie [Member]
2/19/2014 12:41:26 PM EDT
Power Pistol is Bullseye with a modified coating to change its burning rate.

I believe BE86 is a modified Bullseye developed for US military 9 mm ammunition, possibly in the year 1986.

Power Pistol and BE86 may be the same or very similar powders.

Note Power Pistol produces a lot of muzzle flash.

If BE86 does not, they are likely different powders.

I took down Federal and Winchester-made US military 9 mm ammunition and the Federal had flake powder and the Winchester had ball powder.

The muzzle velocities were very different between the two also.

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88_Sahara [Team Member]
2/19/2014 4:48:50 PM EDT

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I wonder if BE86 = Bulls Eye formula 86

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That's exactly what it is. Regular Bullseye you buy is a blend of BE87 and BE88. It's just Bullseye with extra flash suppressant. It all has EC in it unless the powder consists of less than 75% NG, then it gets DPA as the stabilizer. DPA is cheaper and works just as well as EC with less than 75% NG content powders.

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Posted: 5/28/2015 3:02:51 AM EDT

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I found this cached in google from this sites archive.....................
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I found this cached in google from this sites archive.....................

Troepie [Member]

2/19/2014 12:41:26 PM EDT

Power Pistol is Bullseye with a modified coating to change its burning rate.

I believe BE86 is a modified Bullseye developed for US military 9 mm ammunition, possibly in the year 1986.

Power Pistol and BE86 may be the same or very similar powders.

Note Power Pistol produces a lot of muzzle flash.

If BE86 does not, they are likely different powders.

I took down Federal and Winchester-made US military 9 mm ammunition and the Federal had flake powder and the Winchester had ball powder.

The muzzle velocities were very different between the two also.

and this..............................

88_Sahara [Team Member]

2/19/2014 4:48:50 PM EDT

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I wonder if BE86 = Bulls Eye formula 86

That's exactly what it is. Regular Bullseye you buy is a blend of BE87 and BE88. It's just Bullseye with extra flash suppressant. It all has EC in it unless the powder consists of less than 75% NG, then it gets DPA as the stabilizer. DPA is cheaper and works just as well as EC with less than 75% NG content powders.

Yep, 88 Sahara was my old username. I have one pound of it to try, but I'm still working on the bottles of BE before I move onto the BE86.

Posted: 5/28/2015 3:07:05 AM EDT

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Looking at the load recipes at the link below, that's WAY too much powder to be like Bullseye.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?page=/reloaders/powderlist.aspx&type=1&powderid=38&cartridge=23

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I'm not on the engineering or ballistics side of things, but the different formula variations can make a HUGE difference in burn rate/pressure/etc. My guess would be that the Potassium Nitrate content is different among the formulations which results in a difference of surface area on the finished product which great affects the ballistics of the powder.

Posted: 5/28/2015 4:39:26 PM EDT

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This is what I thought I'd read on their site. That it was basically Bullseye ( Hence the BE ) with flash suppressant in it.

I was wondering if the 86 meant it was going to replace Bullsye, as in 86'd ( killed, deaded, kick off or out ). That would probably be too clever of a reason.

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Quoted:
I thought it was supposed to be like Bullseye rather than PP.

This is what I thought I'd read on their site. That it was basically Bullseye ( Hence the BE ) with flash suppressant in it.

I was wondering if the 86 meant it was going to replace Bullsye, as in 86'd ( killed, deaded, kick off or out ). That would probably be too clever of a reason.

I can assure you, it the intent was to suppress flash, they did a horrible job. I have been loading 9mm with it
and I am loading on the extreme lower end of the chart. It's shooting well but man does it burn the brass.
I want my #2 back on the shelf, fuck it's only been 2 years. I have one lb left and I'm saving it.

Posted: 5/28/2015 4:53:07 PM EDT

[#13]

I've been using it for 45 Colt and it seems to work fine. I haven't tried it in other calibers yet but probably will try 45 ACP in the near future. I agree with others about the flash suppressant (not). But other than that it seems comparable to Unique IMO.

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