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Posted: 2/26/2014 12:23:07 PM
Back a few months ago, when I first started collecting what I could for reloading, I bought a pound of Win 296 from a local fun show. I told the guy that I was primarily planning to load 45acp and he said hat he uses it all the time for 230gn LRN loads. However, I can't find any load data anywhere for this stuff. I have since then purchased multiple containers of bullseye and titegroup.

Should I just sell the stuff?

Thanks.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 12:27:57 PM
I would keep it.

Never know when you will get something with known load data.

If you really don't need it, try to trade even-Steven or something you need.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 12:33:58 PM
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I will look in my old data book and see if there is a load with 296 later when I am in my library. Sometimes they have loads that are no longer published.

296 is the same/extremely similar to H110. Look in the Hogdon book too.

I use 296 for .300AAC and I am about out. I have plenty of 231. Wish we could trade.....

I will get back to you.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 12:52:59 PM
I would think that 296 would be wayyyy too slow for 45acp, as 296 is normally used for magnum class revolver loads.

But I am sure you'll be able to trade it off for something more suitable like W-231/HP38
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Posted: 2/26/2014 1:42:49 PM
As said, W296 is magnum revolver/.30 Carbine powder.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 2:08:49 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By wildearp:
I will look in my old data book and see if there is a load with 296 later when I am in my library. Sometimes they have loads that are no longer published.

296 is the same/extremely similar to H110. Look in the Hogdon book too.

I use 296 for .300AAC and I am about out. I have plenty of 231. Wish we could trade.....

I will get back to you.

Too bad you're not local. Thanks in advance for the research. I'll probably hold on to it. Never know when it might come in handy.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 2:44:33 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By 06limited:
Back a few months ago, when I first started collecting what I could for reloading, I bought a pound of Win 296 from a local fun show. I told the guy that I was primarily planning to load 45acp and he said hat he uses it all the time for 230gn LRN loads. However, I can't find any load data anywhere for this stuff. I have since then purchased multiple containers of bullseye and titegroup.

Should I just sell the stuff?

Thanks.
That fellow was not being truthful.

W-296 is for magnum pistol cases loaded to high pressure. For a pistol powder it is slow burning.

Neither of which fit the 45 ACP model.

Look for a medium or fast burning powder.

That's why you can't find data, W-296 is not suitable for 45 ACP.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 3:59:59 PM
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I'm not one to spread rumors, but am one to spread a word of caution.

I have read that W296 SHOULD NOT be lightly loaded as it is one of those powders subject to detonation. This is why, when it is used, it is used to nearly fill the case. I believe you do not low fill densities with W296. Winchester used to discuss this and warn against light W296 loads in their loading data brochure.

Before using it, I would thoroughly research the facts behind what I am trying to remember. I may have gotten some of it wrong but believe you should proceed with caution using it for 45 ACP - or not at all.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 4:10:40 PM
296 is great in stuff like .44 mag. Even then though it's almost exclusively pigeonholed into a narrow charge range. 296 likes it hot, and .45 ain't (In my experience anyway!)
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Posted: 2/26/2014 4:17:56 PM
I was thinking more like 255gr slugs out of a 5" N-frame Smith. Still not in my data books for a few hours.....
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Posted: 2/26/2014 8:09:24 PM
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Unless you have a firearm in:

.44 Mag, .357 Mag, one of the other big revolver calibers, .30 Carbine, and yes, there are loads in .45 Colt that will work, preferrably with a Ruger or similar revolver, or a .45 Colt rifle,

you probably better sell it.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 10:27:31 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Danger6:
Unless you have a firearm in:

.44 Mag, .357 Mag, one of the other big revolver calibers, .30 Carbine, and yes, there are loads in .45 Colt that will work, preferrably with a Ruger or similar revolver, or a .45 Colt rifle,

you probably better sell it.

I do have a 357 snubby that I carry daily. I plan to load for it eventually.
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W296 has an impressive muzzle flash. Would definitely get someone's attention. I use it in .44 Mag and it meters well, makes very accurate loads and I love the stuff.

As to its suitability for a .357 carry gun, I think you would have to try it and decide for yourself. For practice I think it would be just fine, and fun.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 10:54:49 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Danger6:
W296 has an impressive muzzle flash. Would definitely get someone's attention. I use it in .44 Mag and it meters well, makes very accurate loads and I love the stuff.

As to its suitability for a .357 carry gun, I think you would have to try it and decide for yourself. For practice I think it would be just fine, and fun.

As far as carry/defense rounds go I'd stick with Hornady critical defense ammo. Reloads would only be for practice on that gun.
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Posted: 2/26/2014 11:42:01 PM
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1981 Winchester data book lists one pound of 296 msrp $9.22. 8 lbs msrp $61.80. No data listed for .45 ACP.


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Posted: 2/27/2014 12:06:20 AM
10mm is the only auto I'd think of running 296 in.
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Posted: 2/27/2014 6:58:22 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By wildearp:
1981 Winchester data book lists one pound of 296 msrp $9.22. 8 lbs msrp $61.80. No data listed for .45 ACP.



Thanks for looking anyways. I appreciate the time.
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Posted: 2/27/2014 8:05:25 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By 06limited:
...I do have a 357 snubby that I carry daily. I plan to load for it eventually.


Like others have stated, W-296 / H-110 is for 357 and 44 magnum, or .30 carbine loads.

It requires a FIRM crimp, and should NEVER be down-loaded, it's designed for MAXIMUM magnum loads only.


try
w-231
HP-38
WST
CLAYS
bullseye
unique
tighgroup

etc for 45ACP
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