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Posted: 11/1/2012 4:25:38 AM
I have a few hundred pieces of once fired LC brass with crimped primer pockets. As far as case life and strength, does it make a difference if pockets

are reamed or swaged? I'll be using this brass for some hotter loads, hope to get at least 3 reloads out of each case. My assumption is reaming removes

brass so therefore it weakens the case, maybe even loosening the pocket too much for hot loads. I just don't know and need some advice before purchasing

a tool. Reamers look cheaper than swagers but don't mind spending extra if swaging is better for the brass.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 6:01:12 AM
Swaging "IS" better and quicker, more uniform also.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 9:54:39 AM
I like swaging too. I fallow my swaging with a chamfer too. It takes the sharp edge off of the corner and gives the primer a tapered guide to get started into the pocket.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:06:34 AM
Swage, a few years back I bought some "processed" brass, they removed the primers and reamed the primer crimp and cleaned them. I had 2-3 blown primers per every 100 rounds shot. I swaged my own now using the Dillon super swager and haven't had any blown primers in over 4-5K reloads.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:38:36 AM
I prefer to swage.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 2:36:04 PM
As long as you don't over ream and go too deep, as with an improper tool like a countersink or derur tool, reaming works well.

If you go this way, get the Hornady reamer with the built in stop so you can't over ream.

Swaging works well also, just don't over swage and get a loose primer pocket.

Either method can work well or be abused.
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Posted: 11/1/2012 5:08:56 PM
Can you use Dillon's super swage 600 to do pistol round?
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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:45:20 PM

Originally Posted By bags533:
Can you use Dillon's super swage 600 to do pistol round?
Dillon makes a 45 ACP adapter, don't know about 9mm.

I have always reamed the few crimped 9mm cases I come across.

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Posted: 11/1/2012 10:57:14 PM
Originally Posted By flightsimmer:
Swaging "IS" better and quicker, more uniform also.

and you never fuck up a primer pocket like reaming...

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Posted: 11/1/2012 11:07:42 PM
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Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
Originally Posted By flightsimmer:
Swaging "IS" better and quicker, more uniform also.

and you never fuck up a primer pocket like reaming...




Just need the correct reamer and technique. I use the Hornady reamer with a built in stop. Can't over ream.

Some other reamers don't work so well.
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Posted: 11/2/2012 12:05:39 AM
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I use the hornady reamers...and I have had zero problems. Given a bit of inattentiveness or relative stupidity anyone can screw up most anything to state of perfect destruction.

I understand the swageing tools can be finicky. Since I never have time to even do or finish what I want I sure as heck aint wanting to waste time with finicky tools. The hornady reamers are simple, effective, and cheap.

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Posted: 11/2/2012 12:25:58 AM

Originally Posted By dryflash3:

Originally Posted By bags533:
Can you use Dillon's super swage 600 to do pistol round?
Dillon makes a 45 ACP adapter, don't know about 9mm.

I have always reamed the few crimped 9mm cases I come across.

Every now and then I'll get a 9mm that has a crimped primer pocket. I haven't had any problems using my SS 600 on them.

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Posted: 11/2/2012 6:06:15 AM
Originally Posted By Henny:

Originally Posted By dryflash3:

Originally Posted By bags533:
Can you use Dillon's super swage 600 to do pistol round?
Dillon makes a 45 ACP adapter, don't know about 9mm.

I have always reamed the few crimped 9mm cases I come across.

Every now and then I'll get a 9mm that has a crimped primer pocket. I haven't had any problems using my SS 600 on them.



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Posted: 11/2/2012 7:48:10 AM

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Run them through big Blacky , works great

Oh, I will eventually! I gotta scrape some pennies together for another tool head and conversion kit. Till then, I'll be loading 9mm on my 650!
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Posted: 11/2/2012 10:32:09 AM
Originally Posted By dryflash3:

Originally Posted By bags533:
Can you use Dillon's super swage 600 to do pistol round?
Dillon makes a 45 ACP adapter, don't know about 9mm.

I have always reamed the few crimped 9mm cases I come across.



I use my ss600 for all my 9mm and 223 needs.
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Posted: 11/3/2012 10:29:59 PM
In my experience, swaging worked great in little cases like the 7.62x51. In .50BMG, not so much. In those, the swagers tended to distort some rims. The best crimp remover for the full size cases was the Wilson, but you need a Wilson trimmer to mount it. The design has an integral positive stop, and leaves a smooth radius on the pocket entrance. Just my $.02
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Posted: 11/3/2012 11:01:47 PM
I've been all over the place with this issue. I am back to swaging with the Dillon 600. If you swage carefully, you can provide yourself a primer pocket that is almost as good or maybe better than new brass as far as primer retention. If you ream, the material is cut away and cannot be restored to like-factory-new brass.

Of course, commercial brass without the crimp ring is an entirely different situation.
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Posted: 11/4/2012 4:08:37 AM
After having a Swager and just trying reaming. I have switched to reaming. I'm ditching my RCBS swager.
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Posted: 11/4/2012 8:53:40 AM
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I'm kind of bias owning a 1050. That only gets feed LC and WCC brass. But I will say this. If the brass you use is all the same headstamp then it makes sense to swage. If on the other hand you use mixed headstamps then I would just ream them and be done with it. Reason for this is. Most if not all swagers index off of the web of the case. If one has webs that vary so will the swage and that can lead to two things. One being cases that the crimp has not been remove enough and two the primer pocket is to enlarged resulting in lose primers. There has been more than one thread here were someone has destroyed their brass by over swaging it.
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Posted: 11/4/2012 9:38:33 AM
Is reaming and pocket uniforming the same thing?
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Posted: 11/4/2012 10:03:39 AM
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Originally Posted By BadLuther:
Is reaming and pocket uniforming the same thing?

No.

2 separate operations.

Reaming/swaging removes the primer crimp.

Uniforming makes the dept of the primer pockets all the same. Also makes the bottom flat.

If you want your primers to sit .002 to .005 below the case head, that's how to do it.


eta, in the pic I posted above, near drill has a Hornady SR crimp reamer chucked up.

Far drill has a RCBS uniformer.

If you have a small amount of coordination it's easy to keep tools centered even when chucked in a drill.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:03:36 AM
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After having a Swager and just trying reaming. I have switched to reaming. I'm ditching my RCBS swager.


Thats what I ending up doing got rid of the Dillon and RCBS and stayed with the Hornady
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:29:23 AM
Originally Posted By angus6:
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
After having a Swager and just trying reaming. I have switched to reaming. I'm ditching my RCBS swager.


Thats what I ending up doing got rid of the Dillon and RCBS and stayed with the Hornady


Don't you have a 1050??
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:36:03 AM
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Originally Posted By angus6:
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
After having a Swager and just trying reaming. I have switched to reaming. I'm ditching my RCBS swager.


Thats what I ending up doing got rid of the Dillon and RCBS and stayed with the Hornady


Don't you have a 1050??


Yes but before that, I'd had the tried Dillon , Rcbs and Hornady and kept the Hornady,
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Posted: 11/5/2012 1:43:29 PM

Originally Posted By angus6:
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
Originally Posted By angus6:
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
After having a Swager and just trying reaming. I have switched to reaming. I'm ditching my RCBS swager.


Thats what I ending up doing got rid of the Dillon and RCBS and stayed with the Hornady


Don't you have a 1050??


Yes but before that, I'd had the tried Dillon , Rcbs and Hornady and kept the Hornady,
I probably would have done the same thing but my damn Lyme infested finger joints just didn't like handling and pressing of all those cases. The SS600 was easier on my hands. The 1050 easier yet!

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