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Posted: 1/20/2015 2:47:26 PM EDT
[#1]
I just went from six to midnight...waiting to find out what was brought in.
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Posted: 1/20/2015 4:54:29 PM EDT
[#2]
in!
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Posted: 1/20/2015 9:13:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Well shit..... Anyone?
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:38:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2015 10:42:36 PM EDT
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The Firearm Blog says 9mm MP40... http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/01/20/gsg-mp-40-9mm/ 2016 is too long of a wait! |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 11:29:53 PM EDT
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Like they say in TFB report, there's still lots of hoops to jump through. We're also hoping that because of our past experience with the 9mm MKE pistols (which were never reclassified as non-importable, only the rifles were) that we have enough on paper regarding pistol approvals to make it a go.
We're definitely going to give it a try. So, before it gets to wild and crazy here, here's the facts thus from the guy working with the US authorities to get it going, me: 1 - We are approved to import the first one to ATF for review 2 - Germany is working on the first fully functional ones now - we do not have a time frame at this time for completion 3 - Designing a new gun from scratch takes time, i.e. see the amount of time it took GSG and us to get the STG and MP40 in .22lr going 4 - ATF approval takes a while and if it fails, we're back to licensing square 1 5 - Because we don't have all the pieces in line to make the proto - we can't give you an estimate on price, but our goal is for it to be affordable like always 6 - There is no waiting list to get one of these, standard operating procedure, ATI sells to wholesalers who sell to gun shops who sell to you, it will only end up for sale on our website when we accumulate overstock 7 - Until we have an approval, we're really not going to have any other information. 8 - BUT WE'RE WORKING ON IT, and we hope you're excited. Now, also like they said in TFB, GSG is using feedback to gauge if GSG & ATI should make the investment. Its not cheap developing these guns, that I assure you. So if a 9mm MP40 pistol is something you want, chime in on this thread so I can share that feedback with my teams here and in Germany. .22lrs are hurting in the market, so we all need a homerun and we want this to be it. So let me know your thoughts on here! As always, as I have news for you, I'll be on here with it for you. Cheers! |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 11:40:02 PM EDT
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Chris,
Please dear god take my money NOW. Pistol version please - I can't imagine a 16' barrel would ever look right. I love my GSG-522 and a faux-pressor looks right on it, but the only reason I don't own your .22LR MP40 is because of the "rifle" silliness. Do a pistol first, do a rifle 2nd, but make sure the conversion from pistol to rifle is easy for the SBR folks. Honestly, I'd pony up big bucks for a combo kit ala Thompson Center.... Begun life and shipped as a pistol, along with a 16" barrel and a wire stock attachment and big giant lawyer notes on not mixing the pieces wrong. One moment while I get my breathing back under control here. Seriously, I'm starting to put money in the bank now. Hell, do a crowdfunding opportunity and I'm in like flynn... This is the gun I've wanted since I was knee high to a grasshopper. PM me for real world contact info if desired! Richard |
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Posted: 1/20/2015 11:42:41 PM EDT
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Like anything else it will depend on price, if that article is right and it is north of $1000 I would want one but I doubt I would move it in front of all the other guns I want that cost less than $1000.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 12:21:56 AM EDT
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Chris....
I've been interested in your WWII .22's, but I've been saying If you brought them in in REAL calibers like 9mm, I will BUY. I promise you, I will buy one. Now that MP-44 in 7.62x25mm or similar would be sweet! 
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Posted: 1/21/2015 10:25:59 AM EDT
[#10]
I would be lying if I said I wasn't interested. However, this will probably be a little out of my price range for the immediate future.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 10:27:48 PM EDT
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When 9mm ammo is easier to get than .22lr this is a big reason your main run of 22's are failing. I know so many people that have sold all their .22's because for almost 8 years my walmarts have had none. I know I can order online but those prices are pretty crazy. I dont know how hard or costly it would be but maybe gsg or ati could get into rimfire ammmunition manufactureing. If there is ammo to shoot your .22's with they would probably sell better. Im only throwing ideas around thanks for the info to.
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Posted: 1/21/2015 11:12:17 PM EDT
[#12]
I'll take one.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 4:13:20 AM EDT
[#13]
I definitely would take one in 9mm!
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:09:11 PM EDT
[#14]
Absolutely ! Put me on the list.
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Posted: 1/22/2015 9:17:36 PM EDT
[#15]
Do Want!!!! BAD!!
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Posted: 1/26/2015 11:00:57 PM EDT
[#16]
I'd buy one or two,
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Posted: 3/4/2015 5:42:03 PM EDT
[#17]
I would like one and I would like to SBR it. Please make a underfolder stock available for builds.
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Posted: 5/18/2015 8:35:15 AM EDT
[#18]
Any updates?
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Posted: 5/18/2015 10:44:59 AM EDT
[#19]
Functional proto is up and running and getting ready to leave Germany within the next two weeks for ATF evaluation. Fingers crossed!
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Posted: 5/18/2015 11:48:40 AM EDT
[#20]
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Functional proto is up and running and getting ready to leave Germany within the next two weeks for ATF evaluation. Fingers crossed! I'm sure it needs some high altitude testing, please PM for shipping address 
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Posted: 5/18/2015 2:38:04 PM EDT
[#21]
Sorry man, only ATF gets it first. Blame Congress.
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Posted: 5/18/2015 4:42:36 PM EDT
[#22]
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Sorry man, only ATF gets it first. Blame Congress. No problem, I can "test" it after them
Ok, ok, so put my name at the top of the pre-order list then
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Posted: 5/18/2015 10:30:44 PM EDT
[#23]
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Functional proto is up and running and getting ready to leave Germany within the next two weeks for ATF evaluation. Fingers crossed! Nice. Great News. On a side note...what happened to the 22lr pistol version? |
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Posted: 5/19/2015 8:22:20 AM EDT
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Due to the hard times the .22lr market has suffered over the last 18 months, GSG & American Tactical decided to focus the developmental funds toward the 9mm version instead of going through all the hoops for a .22lr pistol version. While the .22lr market is recovering, its still too slow right now for us or GSG to invest in another new .22lr gun that needs to be developed, tested, ATF approved etc. We weighed it out last year after the rifle MP40 came out and decided it'd be better to switch the pistol project up to a centerfire caliber due to less stringent import laws for centerfire pistols vs rifles. Perhaps down the road we'll go back to the .22lr pistol version project, but for now that has been shelved.
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Posted: 5/19/2015 8:24:27 AM EDT
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Due to the hard times the .22lr market has suffered over the last 18 months, GSG & American Tactical decided to focus the developmental funds toward the 9mm version instead of going through all the hoops for a .22lr pistol version. While the .22lr market is recovering, its still too slow right now for us or GSG to invest in another new .22lr gun that needs to be developed, tested, ATF approved etc. We weighed it out last year after the rifle MP40 came out and decided it'd be better to switch the pistol project up to a centerfire caliber due to less stringent import laws for centerfire pistols vs rifles. Perhaps down the road we'll go back to the .22lr pistol version project, but for now that has been shelved. Makes a lot of sense. |
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Posted: 5/19/2015 8:44:20 AM EDT
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Perhaps down the road we'll go back to the .22lr pistol version project, but for now that has been shelved. Completely understandable but saddening. I'll toss in the same request for the 9mm though - *PLEASE* do a pistol version also for SBR folks! |
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Posted: 5/26/2015 4:20:24 PM EDT
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Functional proto is up and running and getting ready to leave Germany within the next two weeks for ATF evaluation. Fingers crossed! I forgot to ask - what magazines does this take? Original MP40 mags? Colt/Uzi mags? Proprietary? If it's not too late for "requests" - Colt/Uzi style please! Zillions of those around in pre-ban flavors for ban-state folks.... |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 10:21:49 PM EDT
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Functional proto is up and running and getting ready to leave Germany within the next two weeks for ATF evaluation. Fingers crossed! I forgot to ask - what magazines does this take? Original MP40 mags? Colt/Uzi mags? Proprietary? If it's not too late for "requests" - Colt/Uzi style please! Zillions of those around in pre-ban flavors for ban-state folks.... If I'm buying a WW2 look-alike gun that is of little to no practical value it is likely because it is a true-to-the-original design. That being the case, why on earth would I buy one that takes wrong-looking magazines? As for the original topic/question, I'm sure a ton of people are interested if it is a reasonably close clone that is put together well. I'd say the closer you make it to an original, the better it sells. |
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Posted: 5/27/2015 10:31:44 PM EDT
[#29]
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If I'm buying a WW2 look-alike gun that is of little to no practical value it is likely because it is a true-to-the-original design. That being the case, why on earth would I buy one that takes wrong-looking magazines? Because you could have 10 rounds in a look-alike magazine and 32 in a look-similar magazine. They're both rectangular stick-type magazines, so to me they're quite similar... 
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Posted: 6/1/2015 11:13:00 PM EDT
[#30]
I have been waiting for this for ever and it is finally going to happen! I just wish the 22LR situation would resolve its self already. I have a GSG 522 SD and a Marlin XT -22vr that need to be shot. Is it possible to be put on a preorder list right now? If so I am #2 after that other guy. Please release a stock kit so we can SBR it. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 8:27:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Updates from Germany on the Magazines for you:
Q1 - What is Capacity on the Hi Cap? - 30 rounds. The magazine can actually hold 32 rounds but that causes jamming for some reason, so the manufacturer suggested amount is 30 rounds Q2 - Is the mag metal or polymer? - Metal, newly manufactured by GSG, not of surplus materials Q3 - Will the GSG-MP40P use real, original MP-40 magazines? - Sadly, no, internally the gun is a little different from the original and the mag seats differently in the GSG-MP40P so it will not work with original surplus MP40 mags. Bonus Q4 - Can I be on a waiting list? - ATI does not have a waiting list because our sales are conducted through distribution networks. The GSG-MP40P will only become available for direct purchase on our website when we have overstock of inventory sitting on the shelves in our warehouse. We sell to distributors, our dsistributors sell to gun stores, guns stores sell to non-licensees. We are expecting this gun to be popular enough that we will not have inventory sitting on our warehouse shelves for quite a while. Any pre-orders would need to go through your local gun stores BUT as we have not released any product skus or even prices yet on this gun, they have no way to pre-order it from our distributors. Once it is approved by ATF we will start to filter info out to our distributors so that they can place pre-orders with us. Until then, everyone will just need to sit tight. |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 9:24:14 AM EDT
[#32]
Thanks for the update Chris! Does the "P" in the model name mean this is going to come out first in pistol form? <Fingers crossed>
I hate to keep harping on magazine compatibility, but now that Kolorado has gone to the dogs we're also stuck in the void  I would hope GSG didn't invent a new ground-up magazine form-factor, so if there's any chance it's based on some existing platform that could be adapted (MP5, Colt/Uzi, etc) it would be a huge help to those of us in non-free states. With that said, I imagine y'all will be doing 10rd magazines - please consider making life easier for other capacity limits also. E.g. pre-placed holes where a rivet, pin, or GSG-supplied block could be permanently fastened to give 15rd (for Colorado) or other limits (I thought someone else was limited to 20rds, and NY was 7 for a while). For the record I have no issue buying 15rd magazines for instance, but something like the above seems like a way to make the costs/inventory very controllable on your end.
Thanks again for the updates, please keep them coming - I'm putting pennies in my piggy bank as we speak! |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 11:49:51 AM EDT
[#33]
The 9mm will only be in pistol form as the 'sporting purposes' regs limit centerfire rifles quite severly. We will be making 10 round mags for sure but probably not 15 rounders.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 12:02:09 PM EDT
[#34]
I'd like to have one as long its not cast pot metal and cheap plastic. IMO original calibers were always the way to go, now just do the STG.
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Posted: 6/2/2015 12:42:45 PM EDT
[#35]
Will we be able to buy the stock so that we can SBR it in the states that allow us to? |
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Posted: 6/2/2015 2:29:07 PM EDT
[#36]
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The 9mm will only be in pistol form as the 'sporting purposes' regs limit centerfire rifles quite severly. We will be making 10 round mags for sure but probably not 15 rounders. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The 9mm will only be in pistol form as the 'sporting purposes' regs limit centerfire rifles quite severly. We will be making 10 round mags for sure but probably not 15 rounders. Quoted:
Will we be able to buy the stock so that we can SBR it in the states that allow us to? Thanks Chris! This might be the first gun I *need* to SBR  so I'm definitely interested in the stock question as well. The "scalable" magazine limit was a geek engineer thought - if you had one body with a few seemingly-gratuitous extra holes in it then you might get your 10rd limited mags super-cheaply by just being able to add rivets/pins to the same body/follower/spring design. There'd be a bonus for Colorado with our unique 15rd limit as an extra set of holes at 15rds would be almost free and we could block them ourselves potentially even if y'all didn't have a business case for stocking "odd" capacities.
FWIW, I think what GSG did with the GSG-5/522 magazine was brilliant - the side blocks could be broken out to make a legal 15rd magazine. Same sort of idea here - could be a win for GSG/ATI by reducing production costs on magazines and for ban states making easier/more customizable magazines available.... Don't get me wrong, I'll take what you make, but with a small change it could be .... wonderful
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Posted: 6/25/2015 8:51:19 AM EDT
[#37]
Got an update -
The first fully functional 9mm GSG-MP40P arrived at the ATF for the FTB approval process last night. It will be anywhere from 90-120 days before we hear anything from them on it. Fingers crossed gang, this is the big hurdle. If it passes, we're off to the races on tooling and production unit parts manufacturing so we'll be able to figure out pricing. If it fails, it'll be back to the drawing board using the info from ATF to make any required adjustments. |
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Posted: 6/25/2015 11:57:07 AM EDT
[#38]
Thanks Chris!
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Posted: 7/8/2015 1:23:47 PM EDT
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OST
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Posted: 7/15/2015 2:26:25 AM EDT
[#40]
Good luck, I would sure want one if the price is reasonable.
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Posted: 9/9/2015 7:31:16 PM EDT
[#41]
Wondered where this was. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 9:07:47 PM EDT
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Any updates?
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Posted: 9/14/2015 8:49:06 AM EDT
[#43]
Any updates? Nope, still waiting on word from ATF. |
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Posted: 9/14/2015 9:13:39 AM EDT
[#44]
I may have missed this, but will you be offering a stock kit for those who want to SBR?
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Posted: 9/14/2015 10:08:12 AM EDT
[#45]
I may have missed this, but will you be offering a stock kit for those who want to SBR? Don't know yet. I'd like to say yes but until we actually get the one at ATF back and can look at how they did it we honestly won't know for sure. One of the things we had to look out for with the pistol is that ATF will fail it as "sporting" if its easily convertable to a SBR. I know we would like to offer something, but until we're past the initial hurdles of getting it approved as is we're not going to be able to say yay or nay to any sort of MP40 conversion stuff. |
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Posted: 10/8/2015 1:55:33 PM EDT
[#46]
Bump for discussion.
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Posted: 11/2/2015 8:06:06 PM EDT
[#47]
Any news?
BTW, how are y'all coming along on the C-96 Broomie in 22LR? 
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:28:27 AM EDT
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Still nada from ATF.
I sent them a status request email about 3 weeks ago, no reply. The Firearms & Ammunition Technology Division (FATD), formerly known as the Firearms Technology Branch is quite possibly the most under staffed branch of the ATF now that they've finally been able to hire people for NFA branch. There's something like 6 guys for the whole division. Not only are they responsible for testing and approving any new import firearms trying to come into the US, but they are also the guys who are tasked with giving expert testimony regarding firearms used in crimes in federal cases. So, these guys get flown all over the country to give testimony, meaning the test and approval guns pile up. At least now we get an email from them when the guns arrive, here's what it says: Good Morning Mr. Marzahn We, ATF – FATD – FTISB have received your sample, GSG MP-40 P for technical examination. The internal reference number for your sample is: [redacted]. The current turnaround time is approximately four months, give or take. If you have any questions, you may leave a voice message at [redacted], please provide the internal reference number when leaving a message. Thank You. ATF – Firearms Technology 6/25/2015 When I got that, the "give or take" made me laugh. |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 10:59:35 AM EDT
[#49]
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When I got that, the "give or take" made me laugh. LOL, yep! "We *give* an estimate and *take* a lot longer" Not really a dig at the tech guys, as you say they're undoubtedly swamped, but agreed it's funny.
Thanks for keeping us updated, even if it's "No news yet". |
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Posted: 11/3/2015 11:04:32 PM EDT
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At least, they are nice enough to reply
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