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Posted: 6/6/2017 8:00:48 PM EDT
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my 16 and I love the Lancer mags.
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Posted: 6/6/2017 8:04:50 PM EDT
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I would do the trigger 1st.
And we found the LT150 works just fine. The wife has the LT150 with an Aimpoint Pro on her SCAR. Gen 3 Pmags should work just fine. However, should you have any older versions you can cut a square notch in the back of the Pmags to clear the bolt hold open. We did that on a dozen older Pmags we had and they now work great in her SCAR. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 8:17:08 PM EDT
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I would jump on the trigger but $254 sale price vs $325 will keep me waiting for a week or two.
If nothing pops up soon I'll just get one then. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 8:47:20 PM EDT
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Fin,
I'd steer you towards an absolute cowitness height for whatever optic you go with. I found the 1/3 mount to be to high on a Scar. If you plan on doing a Form 1, I do not see the point in getting an extended rail for it if you're going to have to eventually take it off. May as well get used to shooting it as is. I use the ParkerMountain Machine rail elimination panels to make the front end significantly more narrow and easier to get your hand around. I use a mix of USGI, Lancer's, and Gen 3 PMAGs and all work well (Older Gen will cause excessive wear on the bolt like you mentioned). Although I like the way the factory mags look they perform more like old USGI mags with green followers. The Geissele trigger is almost a must have but I agree that you should wait for a sale. I feel like I've been following your builds for years now so good luck with this one. (For reference I'm the guy who built that shorty AES10B a few years back) Here's mine for motivation. 
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Posted: 6/6/2017 8:54:01 PM EDT
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I like the organization of a phased upgrade lol
The grip is a great upgrade. Well worth it for me on mine. I went with the Hogue grip made by Hi Desert Dog. I would agree that is a cheap and easy early upgrade. The 150 mount will make the optic sit high, but it depends on how you hold your head and your comfort level. I tried a low mount and it was just not comfortable with it, felt like I was looking "down". So the 150 (and other Larue tall mounts) are what I use. Phase 2 - great choice on a rail. Give KDG rails a look too. Phase 3 - The super scar trigger seems to be super popular. I must be the oddball, but after my stock trigger was broken in - I really like it. The super scar though feels like smooth glass, can't deny how great it feels. Phase 4 - Yes! Mags: I have older Pmags and newer Pmags for my ARs. To keep myself from screwing up and grabbing an older Pmag that is no good for my SCAR, I only run Lancers or USGIs in my SCAR. It loves them both. Never had an issue with any Lancer mags ever. Something additional to think of - you may want to look at changing your muzzle device. See what suits you. I have a Battlecomp on mine and that muzzle just never moves. Congrats on getting a 16. Like others have said on the forum, a regular AR does everything the 16 will do but the 16 does it all really well. Ran mine through a handful of carbine |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 9:31:05 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the input guys!
Realistically I'll shoot this for a while as a non sbr (yes I know go on and file...) but I've got stamps pending at the moment and frankly annoyed at the whole 41P deal. I'll file - just probably later this summer (have to get prints etc... done. ) For the muzzle device I'll toss one of my YHM mounts on there to use my can. Which leads me to ask - kick the gas setting to suppressed correct when I have my can on? So the handguard question - the KDG rail looks nice but the most expensive of the bunch. I was thinking about getting the shorter mlok rail that @midwestindustries offers. I think it adds 4" - which will let me use my mlok scout mount on it. Wish they had pics of it on a rifle but I can't find any for the life of me. For mags I've got a smorgasbord of pmags and usgi ones. I think I'll use my D&H "panic buy" mags that are still in the plastic with the magpul followers. This way as pointed out I won't use any older pmags by accident. Helps too when I've got 40 of em  .
Will snag some lancers too - assume they function worry free based on y'alls feedback. I'll try out the lt150 first and see what I think before going any shorter. Have an aimpoint pro (prefer 30mm aimpoints) sitting without a home so it will be used. Is the 50/200 the preferred zero on these or something different due to height over bore? This is exciting. I'll load up 20 or so mags for Sunday and hit the range right after I snag it. |
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Posted: 6/6/2017 9:41:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm the guy who built that shorty AES10B a few years back) |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 6:37:22 AM EDT
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Phase 4 needs to be moved up to phase 1. Seriously get those forms moving, the sooner it's sent the sooner you will get it back.
Phase 2 should be grip upgrade and PMM safety upgrade. The stock ones are just a bit too short, especially when trying to manipulate from prone. As far as mags go all mags will work including gen 2 pmags with an easy mod that takes a few seconds. Father's Day sale you will be able to find the super scar for around $250. As stated above I too would hold off on the extended rail. It just adds weight and since you are form 1ing the rifle no need. It handles and balances really well as is. Other upgrades to consider are qd sling mounts and charging handle. I also use an absolute mount on my scar and 1/3 mounts on all my AR's. You will love the scar, it's a great platform and you will be shocked at how much cleaner it stays vs the AR. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 7:00:33 AM EDT
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So on the form 1.
Everyone seems to go to 10". I get it the cqc variant is 10". What's the consensus on cutting at 12.5"? It's my favorite barrel length for 5.56 as it still gives good ooomph out to 600y. (Based solely on my expierence shooting plates with the 10.3,11.5, and 12.5) |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 7:10:46 AM EDT
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If you're going to go through the hassle of the post 41F form 1 go with a 10 or 10.5. They just look right with the shorter barrel.
If you don't want to go that short then I think cutting to 14 inches and pinning might be a better way to go if you want a little more velocity and skip the form 1. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 7:53:56 AM EDT
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If you're going to go through the hassle of the post 41F form 1 go with a 10 or 10.5. They just look right with the shorter barrel. If you don't want to go that short then I think cutting to 14 inches and pinning might be a better way to go if you want a little more velocity and skip the form 1. After thinking about it I think this is the way I'm going to go. It would be my only non NFA rifle outside of my rpr and give me flexibility for travel. I guess adco is the place to go? Would I need to make gas system adjustments taking off 1.5" of barrel? |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 9:47:30 AM EDT
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Have you seen the PMM Mlok Rail Extension? It'll give you one Mlok panel to mount your light on and its about as small as you can get.
http://www.parkermountainmachine.com/store/p122/PMM_SCAR_16%2F17_Mlok_Rail_Extension_%28MRE%29.html |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 9:55:15 AM EDT
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Congrats! I really like the Shooting Sight trigger.
ETA: I use the stock mags. They work great and are extremely durable. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:14:19 AM EDT
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Parker mountain machine specializes in SCARs and he has all the different size gas jet ports for sale. This is the route you should go. Cutting down to 14 inches you may not even have to mess with the gas system though.
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:22:02 AM EDT
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According to the military manual sights are zeroed for 25/300 meters for the 14" and 16" barrels, 25/200 meters for the 10" barrel. Though I think it's closer to a 36/300 true zero or something. The manual shows how low you should be hitting at 25m. Center the rear sight and use the front sight to adjust windage and elevation.
As you know the Geissele trigger is nice. Though I will say the only reason my 16 has one is because I got it on sale. The factory one was good enough to where I really didn't need to replace it, but I prefer two stage triggers. I'm not sure about other places, but when PMM cuts a barrel they insert the correct size gas screw for the new length. For mags I've just ran all Gen 3 Pmags. The requirements for mags are anything STANAG compatible due to how the bolt catch is set up. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 10:54:03 AM EDT
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Congrats on the purchase. I hated the recoil impulse on mine. Sold it for an SR15. Could not be happier.
Get the trigger first, and buy the rail extension and eliminator panels from PMM. I even had Jared pin and weld my 16s to 16.1". Sell the MI rail. It's too heavy. I still have my two 17s, though. Love the 308 in the platform. |
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Posted: 6/7/2017 11:49:17 AM EDT
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Congrats on the purchase. I hated the recoil impulse on mine. Sold it for an SR15. Could not be happier. Get the trigger first, and buy the rail extension and eliminator panels from PMM. I even had Jared pin and weld my 16s to 16.1". Sell the MI rail. It's too heavy. I still have my two 17s, though. Love the 308 in the platform. I cut my teeth on the AK platform as my entry into MSR's so a heavy carrier movement isn't foreign to me. Looked at the KAC offerings but I'm tired of AR's. I've built pretty much any configuration I've wanted to date and frankly bored of them. Don't get me wrong the old Mod 1's are sex but the only thing keeping me interested in the AR platform is the Grendel, which I am a big big fan of. 12.5" Grendel barrel should arrive today from BA to complete the super mini Recce.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/8/2017 8:12:31 AM EDT
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Interesting on the recoil. I've heard quite the opposite from friends who shoot heavily with them. I cut my teeth on the AK platform as my entry into MSR's so a heavy carrier movement isn't foreign to me. Looked at the KAC offerings but I'm tired of AR's. I've built pretty much any configuration I've wanted to date and frankly bored of them. Don't get me wrong the old Mod 1's are sex but the only thing keeping me interested in the AR platform is the Grendel, which I am a big big fan of. 12.5" Grendel barrel should arrive today from BA to complete the super mini Recce. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/164007/IMG-2379-225152.JPG Enjoy it |
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Posted: 6/8/2017 9:12:52 AM EDT
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I did see his thread. It was a metric that played heavily in my decision.
Did get some time on a Bren and tavor but couldn't find an acr to shoot. For a non AR this ended up looking like the best option on the market. Agreed though the 17s is awesome. Sold mine to a fellow arfcommer as I didn't want to adopt yet another caliber when I'm so deep in the 6.5's. |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 7:08:46 AM EDT
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What's the preferred bullet weight for blasting ?
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Posted: 6/10/2017 7:18:08 AM EDT
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Fin, I'd steer you towards an absolute cowitness height for whatever optic you go with. I found the 1/3 mount to be to high on a Scar. If you plan on doing a Form 1, I do not see the point in getting an extended rail for it if you're going to have to eventually take it off. May as well get used to shooting it as is. I use the ParkerMountain Machine rail elimination panels to make the front end significantly more narrow and easier to get your hand around. I use a mix of USGI, Lancer's, and Gen 3 PMAGs and all work well (Older Gen will cause excessive wear on the bolt like you mentioned). Although I like the way the factory mags look they perform more like old USGI mags with green followers. The Geissele trigger is almost a must have but I agree that you should wait for a sale. I feel like I've been following your builds for years now so good luck with this one. (For reference I'm the guy who built that shorty AES10B a few years back) Here's mine for motivation. http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa327/drewdasponge/70BA865B-3F36-4587-B099-9F5C01C34CBF_zpswaahkoul.jpg |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 9:47:56 AM EDT
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I only use USGI 30rds with my 16. Never had any mag related problem of any kind with any of the Scars I've owned.
Ran another 140rds thru it this morning. The TA31H is dead on at 100, 200, 400 yards (using the reticle dot, post and 400 hash respectively). It's zero'd at 100. |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 9:48:44 AM EDT
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What's the preferred bullet weight for blasting ? |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 9:53:22 AM EDT
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I hated the recoil impulse on mine. Sell the MI rail. It's too heavy. I don't understand why everyone adds nose-heavy weight to an already chubby gun. The 16 isn't a featherweight ... is looking cool and/or using today's fad hold (support hand dangerously close to the muzzle...that PWS brake is vicious) that important? |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 9:56:11 AM EDT
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My Scar wears a TA31H in a LaRue LT622 mount, ladder covers (front bottom / side rails), and a sling. I can clamp my Surefire Scout on if needed.
What else does a fighting gun need? The extended rail deal is getting goofy. I hate seeing 15" rails on 14.5" ARs 
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Posted: 6/10/2017 11:03:18 AM EDT
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What's the preferred bullet weight for blasting ? |
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Posted: 6/10/2017 12:02:47 PM EDT
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Mine's been on a steady diet of Wolf steel cased 55gr. Interestingly enough it has the same POI as GGG M855 at 100 yards for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Mine's been on a steady diet of Wolf steel cased 55gr. Interestingly enough it has the same POI as GGG M855 at 100 yards for me. I've got: 6k of Wolf 55 grain 4k of Wolf 62 grain 1k of Tula 55 grain 3k of Wolf Gold and ordered 2k of the Magtech 62 grain this morning Planned on a steady diet of wolf as we have to police our brass at the range in the carbine pits. Its much easier to use a magnet than my back
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The recoil impulse is the most difficult "difference" (SCAR vs AR) to overcome. That, and the awful factory trigger. The trigger issue is easy to remedy (Super Scar). I don't understand why everyone adds nose-heavy weight to an already chubby gun. The 16 isn't a featherweight ... is looking cool and/or using today's fad hold (support hand dangerously close to the muzzle...that PWS brake is vicious) that important? The PWS is coming off and a YHM QD flash hider is going on for my can.... which adds weight to the front as well 
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Posted: 6/10/2017 12:04:08 PM EDT
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Mine loves 55 grain. Looking forward to a range report.
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Posted: 6/10/2017 10:10:07 PM EDT
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I should also note that a buddy of mine bought some reloads (yeah I know) from a mutual acquaintance of ours, I guess his grandpa made them up back in the 90's. Anyways he was having all sorts of trouble in his AR with the ammo, some of the shoulders definitely looked a little funky, most of it wouldn't chamber. For poops and laughs I offered to see if it would fire in my 16S since he just wanted the brass anyways. It was about 100 rounds and it gobbled it all up like kid eating candy on November 1st. That thing has just gone though anything I've fed it and asked for more.
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Posted: 6/11/2017 12:09:49 PM EDT
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90 rounds so far and it's pretty slick.
Don't get the fuss about the recoil, it's a pussycat. Reminds me of the SLR-106 I had. |
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Posted: 6/11/2017 5:33:51 PM EDT
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Love my recently purchased 16s.
okay industries mags have been 100% reliable and drop free. None of my pmags fit for shit or drop free, gen 2 and 3. i have about 400 rounds through it so far, most suppressed and it seems to be getting more accurate the more I shoot it. |
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Posted: 6/11/2017 5:36:05 PM EDT
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Usgi, gen3 20/30 pmags, and lancers work and drop in mine.
I can't help myself. The paint cameout once I was home.  Attached FileI'm thinking a Steiner 1-4 p4xi would be slick on this. Had no issue with plates out to 300 using the aimpoint though. |
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Posted: 6/11/2017 5:44:06 PM EDT
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Usgi, gen3 20/30 pmags, and lancers work and drop in mine. I can't help myself. The paint cameout once I was home. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/164007/IMG-2450-228374.JPG I'm thinking a Steiner 1-4 p4xi would be slick on this. Had no issue with plates out to 300 using the aimpoint though. i already have a peq, m620 and a surefire dual switch adding a bit a weight as it is. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 10:07:00 AM EDT
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Usgi, gen3 20/30 pmags, and lancers work and drop in mine. I can't help myself. The paint cameout once I was home. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/164007/IMG-2450-228374.JPG I'm thinking a Steiner 1-4 p4xi would be slick on this. Had no issue with plates out to 300 using the aimpoint though. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 10:07:45 AM EDT
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Usgi, gen3 20/30 pmags, and lancers work and drop in mine. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 10:55:10 AM EDT
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Nice paint job. Nothing is sexier than a little rattle can on a quality rifle. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 10:58:10 AM EDT
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Agreed, except when it's a FDE SCAR. Only black SCAR's should see paint. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 11:02:46 AM EDT
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Shot my 16 yesterday. Thinking of painting my eotech. Might as well add another shade of fde.
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Posted: 6/12/2017 3:10:06 PM EDT
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I fired my 16 over the weekend too. Its black so it wasn't accurate as the cool FDE units
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Posted: 6/12/2017 3:12:15 PM EDT
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Upper was too gold for my liking. |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 3:37:55 PM EDT
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I've seen the uppers run from a puke-greenish tint to pimp-gold to something that can only be described as "80's light bronze". None of these have particularly appealed to my keen aesthetic senses. (However, I'd still like to have a FDE 16...have had a couple but sold them to buy ammo). |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 4:00:41 PM EDT
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Love it.
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Posted: 6/12/2017 4:24:36 PM EDT
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I'd of let it be if it was the puke green. Love that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've seen the uppers run from a puke-greenish tint to pimp-gold to something that can only be described as "80's light bronze". None of these have particularly appealed to my keen aesthetic senses. (However, I'd still like to have a FDE 16...have had a couple but sold them to buy ammo). |
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Posted: 6/12/2017 6:40:07 PM EDT
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I want a green 17.
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Posted: 6/12/2017 9:33:26 PM EDT
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So once silencer shop opens up their form 1 services this month I'll file. They have my prints and photo due to use of the kiosk (which is badass) and it's just that much easier.
In the long wait period I'll source a barrel and have it cut down. Explain to me why 10" vs 10.5 or 11.5? While it will host my yhm can, i won't shoot suppressed all the time. Part of me wants to entertain 11.5 or 12.5" due to that. My range goes to 1250y and I usually keep the 5.56"s in the 100-500y steel zone. So any extra velocity is welcome. If I'm being foolish let me know. |
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Posted: 6/13/2017 12:11:08 PM EDT
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I'd of let it be if it was the puke green. Love that. I'm a huge fan of painted guns...I paint a lot of ARs for myself / others. I just haven't grown enough short-hair to paint my Scar (yet). |
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Posted: 6/13/2017 12:14:01 PM EDT
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So once silencer shop opens up their form 1 services this month I'll file. They have my prints and photo due to use of the kiosk (which is badass) and it's just that much easier. In the long wait period I'll source a barrel and have it cut down. Explain to me why 10" vs 10.5 or 11.5? While it will host my yhm can, i won't shoot suppressed all the time. Part of me wants to entertain 11.5 or 12.5" due to that. My range goes to 1250y and I usually keep the 5.56"s in the 100-500y steel zone. So any extra velocity is welcome. If I'm being foolish let me know. Not that anyone is going to wear out a SCAR barrel (see Henderson Defense's comments about their rental SCARs), but you could probably recover a lot of your cost by selling the 16". You would also remove the risk of damaged chrome lining at the cut or issues with not having a shoulder for the suppressor mount (flash hider, comp, whatever you chose). |
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Posted: 6/13/2017 1:20:58 PM EDT
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What's the issue with damaging the chrome lining ?
I've had several barrels done by adco with no ill effects. Jarod at PMM would do the work and I'd assume he knows what he's doing to avoid any issues. I'm leaning hard at the moment towards the 11.5-12.5 as it's the best overall win for velocity and distance. Little of my shooting to be honest is inside 100y. I run my 12.5 AR mostly on the 200-500y plates. Don't really shoot my 10.5 or 11.5 that often. |
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Posted: 6/13/2017 2:24:55 PM EDT
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90 rounds so far and it's pretty slick. Don't get the fuss about the recoil, it's a pussycat. Reminds me of the SLR-106 I had. its pretty nice shooter. and youre brave. I'm a chicken shit, cant paint mine. but if i did it would be OD cerakote
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Posted: 6/13/2017 3:08:07 PM EDT
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What's the issue with damaging the chrome lining ? I've had several barrels done by adco with no ill effects. Jarod at PMM would do the work and I'd assume he knows what he's doing to avoid any issues. I'm leaning hard at the moment towards the 11.5-12.5 as it's the best overall win for velocity and distance. Little of my shooting to be honest is inside 100y. I run my 12.5 AR mostly on the 200-500y plates. Don't really shoot my 10.5 or 11.5 that often. I hadn't heard of PMM so I googled them. The first thing I saw was a picture of cut down SCAR barrels. |
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