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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:50:35 AM EDT
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pretty sure it's the bolt coming forward that does the damage. I've not tested myself...but heard a fair amount of bitching about them.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 1:53:55 AM EDT
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The high G forces caused by the piston striking the carrier and the negative G forces of the carrier returning to battery are punishing. I don't know about EOTechs (which suck for many reasons) but they break various night optics.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:15:24 AM EDT
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A guy at work (former Army ranger), told me that the harmonic vibrations that the SCAR creates doesn't mesh well with EOTechs and destroys them. Can anyone concur? 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 6:09:39 AM EDT
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From the latest info out there it seems everything destroys Eotech's. Including temperature, water and humidity.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 6:20:10 AM EDT
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From the latest info out there it seems everything destroys Eotech's. Including temperature, water and humidity. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 6:57:25 AM EDT
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From reading around the net not just eotechs but optics in general.
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:49:07 PM EDT
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From the latest info out there it seems everything destroys Eotech's. Including temperature, water and humidity. I was shooting a 5.45x39 AR w/ a Bump-Fire stock a few years ago, when the attached EoTech sight failed. The mirror started flipping around inside the sight after two mags. The owner(our very own Undefined) sent it back to them for an explanation and repair. He got it back fixed, but they refused to answer him about how it happened. "It's fixed, fuggedaboudit.." Was their reply, sort of. |
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Posted: 12/8/2015 2:52:13 PM EDT
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From the latest info out there it seems everything destroys Eotech's. Including temperature, water and humidity. Send your eotechs to me for proper consumption. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 3:22:02 PM EDT
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From the latest info out there it seems everything destroys Eotech's. Including temperature, water and humidity. Send your eotechs to me for proper consumption.
Or send em back to eotech for a free upgrade. 
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Posted: 12/8/2015 3:43:07 PM EDT
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The high G forces caused by the piston striking the carrier and the negative G forces of the carrier returning to battery are punishing. I don't know about EOTechs (which suck for many reasons) but they break various night optics. The SCAR carrier assembly is something like 3x the mass of an SR-25, and also places the mounting point further above the line of travel. |
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Posted: 12/9/2015 10:47:23 PM EDT
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The recoil impulse of a fucking airsoft rifle isn't "compatible" with an EOTech. They are shitty quality optics, especially the AA powered models like the 512. I've had multiple EOTechs shit the bed just on my issued weapon for work and my personal ARs.
If you put a QUALITY optic on your SCAR, i.e. Aimpoint, Trijicon, NF, Bushnell Elite Tactical, Vortex, ect, you won't have any issues. |
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Posted: 12/11/2015 11:21:06 AM EDT
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SCAR 17s and EOTech XPS2-2 never had an issue with it on my SCAR. On that note both my Eo's are going back to L3 today when I drop them off for shipment. Aimpoint Pro on its way to replace them.
I mostly use a Vortex Viper PST 1-4x24 on my SCAR (70%). |
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Posted: 12/11/2015 11:27:07 AM EDT
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Check those threads from the battlefield LV guy. A scar w/ an aimpoint is apparently GTG for hundreds of thousands of rounds. I have a bunch of eotechs, including on scars. Never had any problems, but I'll probably start transitioning to aimpoints.
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Posted: 12/11/2015 1:19:26 PM EDT
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The SCAR, particularly in 7.62x51 can be punishing on optics more so than the AR, that is pretty well established. It's also well established optics like Leupold, Nightforce and Aimpoint with solid mounts are good to go on the SCAR (preferably a SCAR specific mount). Eotechs suck on anything. I wouldn't trust IR lasers, night vision or thermal scopes on a SCAR based on numerous reports of the SCAR destroying them.
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Posted: 12/11/2015 6:08:55 PM EDT
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Eotechs fall into 2 different categories.
Pre xps/exps or xpa/exps. The older models with inline batteries will have issues. Newer models with the battery compartment inbthe front does not have this problem. Ive run a exps on my scar 17 for lotsa rounds. Works great, holds zero and no issues. |
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Posted: 12/11/2015 6:19:05 PM EDT
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Eotech's break because they are Eotechs.
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Posted: 12/11/2015 6:19:31 PM EDT
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Did you miss the settlement where EOTech admitted their optics were shit?
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Posted: 12/11/2015 9:05:17 PM EDT
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A guy at work (former Army ranger), told me that the harmonic vibrations that the SCAR creates doesn't mesh well with EOTechs and destroys them. Can anyone concur? I bought my son an EOTech for his birthday and he broke it while removing the gift wrap.  I wouldn't mount an EOTech on my daughter's Red Ryder BB gun.
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Posted: 12/11/2015 9:44:16 PM EDT
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From the latest info out there it seems everything destroys Eotech's. Including temperature, water and humidity. Send your eotechs to me for proper consumption.
Or send em back to eotech for a free upgrade. Free upgrade being a refund towards your choice of an Aimpoint, right?
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Eotechs fall into 2 different categories. Pre xps/exps or xpa/exps. The older models with inline batteries will have issues. Newer models with the battery compartment inbthe front does not have this problem. Ive run a exps on my scar 17 for lotsa rounds. Works great, holds zero and no issues. Sure, that's one way to look at it. The newer xps optics fixed the battery compartments. What didn't change was the inherent design of being an HWS. Even Eotech has come out and admitted that every HWS product they've ever built is inherently defective regardless of series, model, or date of production. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 4:40:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySure, that's one way to look at it. The newer xps optics fixed the battery compartments.
What didn't change was the inherent design of being an HWS. Even Eotech has come out and admitted that every HWS product they've ever built is inherently defective regardless of series, model, or date of production. Which is misleading and being parroted by those that don't understand the issue. Despite its short comings, it was still used happily by Soldiers, Marines, LEO's, Spec Ops, and civilians around the world. It is still the Fastest on target sight out there and not as expensive as aimpoints ridiculous $800 red dots that cost them about $25 to make. zero walking in extreme temps doesn't matter when your shooting someone across the room and time is the most important factor. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:08:03 PM EDT
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Eotch is issuing refunds for every HWS they make. Just sent my EXPS 3-0 back for full purchase price, moving over to aimpoint micros or ACOGs on everything. Testing showed that none of their housings were as waterproof as claimed, and like 20 degrees and below could make the optics zero shift up to 20moa... I don't know how but theres a huge thread in GD about it. The government sued them over it.
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Posted: 12/28/2015 1:20:14 PM EDT
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Point of impact changes with EVERY optic when temperature changes! Chronograph your rounds in winter and summer and you will notice a huge change in velocity and thus a significant change in POI. Most people don't notice due to the fact they NEVER shoot beyond 100-300 meters.
This whole controversy is total bullshit. I'll gladly dispose of all your "defective" exps eotech sights numbskulls. I know plenty of people that use them in temps from -20 to 120 without issue or complaint. 20moa, you've got to be kidding me. |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 1:26:43 PM EDT
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Doubletap
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Posted: 12/28/2015 1:50:17 PM EDT
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Point of impact changes with EVERY optic when temperature changes! Chronograph your rounds in winter and summer and you will notice a huge change in velocity and thus a significant change in POI. Most people don't notice due to the fact they NEVER shoot beyond 100-300 meters. This whole controversy is total bullshit. I'll gladly dispose of all your "defective" exps eotech sights numbskulls. I know plenty of people that use them in temps from -20 to 120 without issue or complaint. 20moa, you've got to be kidding me. It's not like EOTech admitted to being lying pricks in their settlement with the government or anything. |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 2:31:24 PM EDT
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It's not like EOTech admitted to being lying pricks in their settlement with the government or anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Point of impact changes with EVERY optic when temperature changes! Chronograph your rounds in winter and summer and you will notice a huge change in velocity and thus a significant change in POI. Most people don't notice due to the fact they NEVER shoot beyond 100-300 meters. This whole controversy is total bullshit. I'll gladly dispose of all your "defective" exps eotech sights numbskulls. I know plenty of people that use them in temps from -20 to 120 without issue or complaint. 20moa, you've got to be kidding me. It's not like EOTech admitted to being lying pricks in their settlement with the government or anything. I have little doubt about your lack of veracity, but perhaps you can prove otherwise?. What precisely did they lie about? Also, have you experienced issues? What optic model gave YOU issues and what were they? All of these optic company's occasionally put out lemons, some more than others. I've used an exps3 extensively in sub zero and 110+ F weather conditions and I've experienced ZERO poi shift beyond normal velocity variance that goes with warmer or colder weather. Nor have any of the people I've trained with for several years now... However, all of our optics were recent manufacture not AA optics made in 2006. |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 2:41:10 PM EDT
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Now that I think about it...
I have little doubt that the average keyboard commando boogerhook trigger press results in poi shift greater than 20moa. Case closed. |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 5:03:36 PM EDT
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dupe
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Posted: 12/28/2015 5:08:54 PM EDT
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I have little doubt about your lack of veracity, but perhaps you can prove otherwise?. What precisely did they lie about? Also, have you experienced issues? What optic model gave YOU issues and what were they? All of these optic company's occasionally put out lemons, some more than others. I've used an exps3 extensively in sub zero and 110+ F weather conditions and I've experienced ZERO poi shift beyond normal velocity variance that goes with warmer or colder weather. Nor have any of the people I've trained with for several years now... However, all of our optics were recent manufacture not AA optics made in 2006. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Point of impact changes with EVERY optic when temperature changes! Chronograph your rounds in winter and summer and you will notice a huge change in velocity and thus a significant change in POI. Most people don't notice due to the fact they NEVER shoot beyond 100-300 meters. This whole controversy is total bullshit. I'll gladly dispose of all your "defective" exps eotech sights numbskulls. I know plenty of people that use them in temps from -20 to 120 without issue or complaint. 20moa, you've got to be kidding me. It's not like EOTech admitted to being lying pricks in their settlement with the government or anything. I have little doubt about your lack of veracity, but perhaps you can prove otherwise?. What precisely did they lie about? Also, have you experienced issues? What optic model gave YOU issues and what were they? All of these optic company's occasionally put out lemons, some more than others. I've used an exps3 extensively in sub zero and 110+ F weather conditions and I've experienced ZERO poi shift beyond normal velocity variance that goes with warmer or colder weather. Nor have any of the people I've trained with for several years now... However, all of our optics were recent manufacture not AA optics made in 2006. He is referring to this: http://soldiersystems.net/2015/11/24/us-government-sues-l3-communications-for-fraud-involving-eotech-sights/ |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 5:57:25 PM EDT
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I know exactly what he's talking about, but no one here has yet produced an example of a recent production Eotech giving them the issues claimed in the lawsuit that was settled. I can stand by the quality of my sample: an Eotech exps3. It works in extreme cold and heat without issue in my experience, no problems.
Every Tom Dick and Harry on here seems to be begging L3 for their money back based on a 26 million suit that was settled. Most of them aren't basing that claim on an actual bad experience they themselves have had. If none of you actually have defective optics wtf is the big deal? |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 6:03:07 PM EDT
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There are still naive snake oil purchasers defending EoTech? I've spent the last 5 years trying to convince every EoTech fan I know that they're junk after seeing two crap out and breaking one in Afghanistan in 09.
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Posted: 12/28/2015 6:11:18 PM EDT
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http://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/file/796026/download
Facts Does it apply to your sight? We don't know unless you actually have a problem. If you don't have a problem, stop bitching. Some people will say they can't rely on any Eotech because of this suit. BS. You can't rely on anything you don't prove through YOUR own experience. I've had Defective trijicons... And yet I own 5 and I trust my life to them because I've trained with them extensively in every weather condition. I'd also still trust the EXPS3 with my life even though I prefer trijicon products with a bit more magnification for my particular needs. |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 6:26:12 PM EDT
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There are still naive snake oil purchasers defending EoTech? I've spent the last 5 years trying to convince every EoTech fan I know that they're junk after seeing two crap out and breaking one in Afghanistan in 09. I've experience complete reticle failure of a trijicon scope... So by your logic they are all shit then? I'm not defending your POS AA Eotech that broke after lots of hard use ... Things break, especially when the design isn't the best due to battery orientation etc. snake oil? Really?
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Posted: 12/28/2015 8:07:07 PM EDT
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A guy at work (former Army ranger), told me that the harmonic vibrations that the SCAR creates doesn't mesh well with EOTechs and destroys them. Can anyone concur? Getting back to the thread: I experienced a failure with a new Trijicon TA -33 on a Scar 17. The scope held zero perfectly, but the black surrounding the field of view began to dissolve over time replaced by translucent splotches reminiscent in color to the spectrum of colors you'd see on a soap bubble. Trijicon fixed it. The replacement has survived over 2k rounds of assorted surplus without issue. |
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Posted: 12/28/2015 10:34:34 PM EDT
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I know exactly what he's talking about, but no one here has yet produced an example of a recent production Eotech giving them the issues claimed in the lawsuit that was settled. I can stand by the quality of my sample: an Eotech exps3. It works in extreme cold and heat without issue in my experience, no problems. Every Tom Dick and Harry on here seems to be begging L3 for their money back based on a 26 million suit that was settled. Most of them aren't basing that claim on an actual bad experience they themselves have had. If none of you actually have defective optics wtf is the big deal? I posted earlier. I watched a group of Marines start a course with EOTechs and finish with carry handles. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 12:15:29 AM EDT
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I know exactly what he's talking about, but no one here has yet produced an example of a recent production Eotech giving them the issues claimed in the lawsuit that was settled. I can stand by the quality of my sample: an Eotech exps3. It works in extreme cold and heat without issue in my experience, no problems. Every Tom Dick and Harry on here seems to be begging L3 for their money back based on a 26 million suit that was settled. Most of them aren't basing that claim on an actual bad experience they themselves have had. If none of you actually have defective optics wtf is the big deal? I posted earlier. I watched a group of Marines start a course with EOTechs and finish with carry handles. Not to mention L3 wouldn't be paying through the nose voluntarily if there were not issues with EoTech optics. Most range users might not have issues in near ideal conditions, but that's not how everyone treats their gear. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:02:21 AM EDT
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I know exactly what he's talking about, but no one here has yet produced an example of a recent production Eotech giving them the issues claimed in the lawsuit that was settled. I can stand by the quality of my sample: an Eotech exps3. It works in extreme cold and heat without issue in my experience, no problems. Every Tom Dick and Harry on here seems to be begging L3 for their money back based on a 26 million suit that was settled. Most of them aren't basing that claim on an actual bad experience they themselves have had. If none of you actually have defective optics wtf is the big deal? I posted earlier. I watched a group of Marines start a course with EOTechs and finish with carry handles. Not to mention L3 wouldn't be paying through the nose voluntarily if there were not issues with EoTech optics. Most range users might not have issues in near ideal conditions, but that's not how everyone treats their gear. What model did they start the course with? Let me guess... AA model and likely beat to hell, kinda like all those old ass Beretta pistols everyone likes to bitch about. Wow, great sampling of what you can expect from a brand new redesigned Eotech exps.... |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:11:17 AM EDT
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26 million is hardly paying through the nose to L3.
Not all of us are blessed with ideal conditions like you are flat lander, nor the resources to have safe queens ... Or tax payer $ to replace what you break. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:12:24 AM EDT
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I know exactly what he's talking about, but no one here has yet produced an example of a recent production Eotech giving them the issues claimed in the lawsuit that was settled. I can stand by the quality of my sample: an Eotech exps3. It works in extreme cold and heat without issue in my experience, no problems. Every Tom Dick and Harry on here seems to be begging L3 for their money back based on a 26 million suit that was settled. Most of them aren't basing that claim on an actual bad experience they themselves have had. If none of you actually have defective optics wtf is the big deal? I posted earlier. I watched a group of Marines start a course with EOTechs and finish with carry handles. Not to mention L3 wouldn't be paying through the nose voluntarily if there were not issues with EoTech optics. Most range users might not have issues in near ideal conditions, but that's not how everyone treats their gear. What model did they start the course with? Let me guess... AA model and likely beat to hell, kinda like all those old ass Beretta pistols everyone likes to bitch about. Wow, great sampling of what you can expect from a brand new redesigned Eotech exps.... User name is appropriate |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:18:01 AM EDT
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I know exactly what he's talking about, but no one here has yet produced an example of a recent production Eotech giving them the issues claimed in the lawsuit that was settled. I can stand by the quality of my sample: an Eotech exps3. It works in extreme cold and heat without issue in my experience, no problems. Every Tom Dick and Harry on here seems to be begging L3 for their money back based on a 26 million suit that was settled. Most of them aren't basing that claim on an actual bad experience they themselves have had. If none of you actually have defective optics wtf is the big deal? I posted earlier. I watched a group of Marines start a course with EOTechs and finish with carry handles. Not to mention L3 wouldn't be paying through the nose voluntarily if there were not issues with EoTech optics. Most range users might not have issues in near ideal conditions, but that's not how everyone treats their gear. What model did they start the course with? Let me guess... AA model and likely beat to hell, kinda like all those old ass Beretta pistols everyone likes to bitch about. Wow, great sampling of what you can expect from a brand new redesigned Eotech exps.... User name is appropriate Lots of hate on this board, but not one person has yet given an example of a new Eotech 123a model giving them issues. I think that's probably a pretty good indication of the Eotech EXPS lines quality Op. you may have issues with a AA Eotech on the 17, but a 123A model Eotech should hold up on a 17 just fine. In the off chance you do get a lemon I'm sure Eotech will replace it free of charge ... Even if your a wannabe tacticool operator like these other fine gentlemen. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:21:04 AM EDT
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I know exactly what he's talking about, but no one here has yet produced an example of a recent production Eotech giving them the issues claimed in the lawsuit that was settled. I can stand by the quality of my sample: an Eotech exps3. It works in extreme cold and heat without issue in my experience, no problems. Every Tom Dick and Harry on here seems to be begging L3 for their money back based on a 26 million suit that was settled. Most of them aren't basing that claim on an actual bad experience they themselves have had. If none of you actually have defective optics wtf is the big deal? I posted earlier. I watched a group of Marines start a course with EOTechs and finish with carry handles. Not to mention L3 wouldn't be paying through the nose voluntarily if there were not issues with EoTech optics. Most range users might not have issues in near ideal conditions, but that's not how everyone treats their gear. What model did they start the course with? Let me guess... AA model and likely beat to hell, kinda like all those old ass Beretta pistols everyone likes to bitch about. Wow, great sampling of what you can expect from a brand new redesigned Eotech exps.... New optics, but you're seriously arguing, basically, "they aren't shit anymore"? |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 1:43:56 AM EDT
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I know exactly what he's talking about, but no one here has yet produced an example of a recent production Eotech giving them the issues claimed in the lawsuit that was settled. I can stand by the quality of my sample: an Eotech exps3. It works in extreme cold and heat without issue in my experience, no problems. Every Tom Dick and Harry on here seems to be begging L3 for their money back based on a 26 million suit that was settled. Most of them aren't basing that claim on an actual bad experience they themselves have had. If none of you actually have defective optics wtf is the big deal? I posted earlier. I watched a group of Marines start a course with EOTechs and finish with carry handles. Not to mention L3 wouldn't be paying through the nose voluntarily if there were not issues with EoTech optics. Most range users might not have issues in near ideal conditions, but that's not how everyone treats their gear. What model did they start the course with? Let me guess... AA model and likely beat to hell, kinda like all those old ass Beretta pistols everyone likes to bitch about. Wow, great sampling of what you can expect from a brand new redesigned Eotech exps.... New optics, but you're seriously arguing, basically, "they aren't shit anymore"? In my experience and that of many others the Eotech EXPS is not, nor has it ever been "shit". YMMV, and I'm eagerly awaiting proof that it's a terrible optic and that L3 should send us all Vortex strike fires or something. 
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Posted: 12/29/2015 7:20:12 AM EDT
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I can't wait to talk to Eotech at Shot Show next month. Hopefully they get it figured out either way. I'm a fan of the reticle.
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Posted: 12/29/2015 11:32:57 AM EDT
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Tripwire, I had one EXPS 3-2 delaminate.....but yes no one has EVERYTHING listed issues with the XPS or EXPS models..
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Posted: 12/29/2015 2:31:33 PM EDT
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Tripwire, I had one EXPS 3-2 delaminate.....but yes no one has EVERYTHING listed issues with the XPS or EXPS models.. Yep, sounds similar to my Acog issue. Am I right in guessing Eotech made it right for you just like Trijicon did for me? I just think everyone is piling on the Eotech hate train when they have no business trashing the entire l3 product line and demanding their money back on perfectly functioning Eotechs because of a military contract snafu the gov settled for $26M |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 3:28:36 PM EDT
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Yep, sounds similar to my Acog issue. Am I right in guessing Eotech made it right for you just like Trijicon did for me? I just think everyone is piling on the Eotech hate train when they have no business trashing the entire l3 product line and demanding their money back on perfectly functioning Eotechs because of a military contract snafu the gov settled for $26M Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tripwire, I had one EXPS 3-2 delaminate.....but yes no one has EVERYTHING listed issues with the XPS or EXPS models.. Yep, sounds similar to my Acog issue. Am I right in guessing Eotech made it right for you just like Trijicon did for me? I just think everyone is piling on the Eotech hate train when they have no business trashing the entire l3 product line and demanding their money back on perfectly functioning Eotechs because of a military contract snafu the gov settled for $26M If by SNAFU you mean they got caught committing fraud for a decade. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 3:29:18 PM EDT
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In my experience and that of many others the Eotech EXPS is not, nor has it ever been "shit". YMMV, and I'm eagerly awaiting proof that it's a terrible optic and that L3 should send us all Vortex strike fires or something. No fucking way I'm putting my money at risk to see if 15 years of shit turned into gold. |
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Posted: 12/29/2015 9:14:04 PM EDT
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Yep, sounds similar to my Acog issue. Am I right in guessing Eotech made it right for you just like Trijicon did for me? I just think everyone is piling on the Eotech hate train when they have no business trashing the entire l3 product line and demanding their money back on perfectly functioning Eotechs because of a military contract snafu the gov settled for $26M Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tripwire, I had one EXPS 3-2 delaminate.....but yes no one has EVERYTHING listed issues with the XPS or EXPS models.. Yep, sounds similar to my Acog issue. Am I right in guessing Eotech made it right for you just like Trijicon did for me? I just think everyone is piling on the Eotech hate train when they have no business trashing the entire l3 product line and demanding their money back on perfectly functioning Eotechs because of a military contract snafu the gov settled for $26M Rabid fanboyism doesn't change the fact the EoTech's generally suck. But keep ignoring people with real world experience...it makes you look more rabid. |
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Posted: 12/30/2015 1:37:54 AM EDT
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I've had an EOTech on my SCAR 17 since the end of 2012. The SCAR never killed it or caused any issues for the EOTech. However, I did decide to send it back due to the current situation, and have since ordered a Leupold VX-R Patrol 1.25-4.
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Posted: 12/30/2015 1:45:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is misleading and being parroted by those that don't understand the issue. Despite its short comings, it was still used happily by Soldiers, Marines, LEO's, Spec Ops, and civilians around the world. It is still the Fastest on target sight out there and not as expensive as aimpoints ridiculous $800 red dots that cost them about $25 to make. zero walking in extreme temps doesn't matter when your shooting someone across the room and time is the most important factor. Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, that's one way to look at it. The newer xps optics fixed the battery compartments. What didn't change was the inherent design of being an HWS. Even Eotech has come out and admitted that every HWS product they've ever built is inherently defective regardless of series, model, or date of production. Which is misleading and being parroted by those that don't understand the issue. Despite its short comings, it was still used happily by Soldiers, Marines, LEO's, Spec Ops, and civilians around the world. It is still the Fastest on target sight out there and not as expensive as aimpoints ridiculous $800 red dots that cost them about $25 to make. zero walking in extreme temps doesn't matter when your shooting someone across the room and time is the most important factor.  Seriously, there's a LOT experienced people on this site, that are what you just listed. Funny thing? A lot of thier opinions that have been stated don't agree with yours. |
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Posted: 12/30/2015 12:26:15 PM EDT
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Rabid fanboyism doesn't change the fact the EoTech's generally suck. But keep ignoring people with real world experience...it makes you look more rabid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tripwire, I had one EXPS 3-2 delaminate.....but yes no one has EVERYTHING listed issues with the XPS or EXPS models.. Yep, sounds similar to my Acog issue. Am I right in guessing Eotech made it right for you just like Trijicon did for me? I just think everyone is piling on the Eotech hate train when they have no business trashing the entire l3 product line and demanding their money back on perfectly functioning Eotechs because of a military contract snafu the gov settled for $26M Rabid fanboyism doesn't change the fact the EoTech's generally suck. But keep ignoring people with real world experience...it makes you look more rabid. I'm definitely not a fanboy, I own one Eotech which I have little use for and plan to sell. It is however a fine optic that has performed very well for me in the past. I have real world experience ... None of my optics are safe queens and if they find their way into the safe they are sold at the first opportunity. Unlike many in federal or large LEO orgs I don't have uncle sugar picking up the tab, if it doesn't perform I won't buy it to begin with. The Eotech EXPS is a great sight, I can't speak for their earlier products, nor do I know anyone that can. Rabidly hating something doesn't make it bad either. Looks like there's gonna be lots of great deals on perfectly serviceable used and refurbished eotechs for a while. Maybe instead of selling mine I'll mount it on the 17 for a few thousand rounds and post results after all the bitching settles down. |
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