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Good write up. While I have no desire, what-so-ever, to purchase that god-awful looking contraption, I enjoyed your write-up.
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One thing I didnt include in the writeup was the ambidextrous element of the gun. Empty casings are ejected forward through a tube that runs underneath the top rail. The end of this tube has a trapdoor, kind of like the dust cover on an AR. If you leave this door closed, the empties will open it automatically after five rounds have been fired. If left open, the empties will eject one by one.
Contrary to rumors seen online, the ejection tube will NOT plug up with empty casings, even if fired straight upward. The forceful action of the bolt moving forward is what propels the casings out. This is also why a bolt-hold open is not possible with this design. Without the bolt going forward, there is no way to eject the last casing that was fired. Obviously, not a desireable feature. Even if debris gets into the ejection tube, the force generated by the ejection mechanism will simply propel the dirt out along with the casing. According to a durability/function test that was done when considering the gun for military adoption in some European nations, the tube was plugged with various types of debris and it still ejected. Snow, ice, small sticks, small rocks, etc. The only way they were able to jam the action was to cram a dowel rod into the tube and fix it in place with some sort of adhesive. What are the odds of that happening in the field? Another omission from the initial review- the "tactical" version is the one seen in the photo, it comes equipped with a flat-top rail and iron sights, and is available in black or OD green. The "standard" version comes equipped with a 1.5x optical sight that is essentially a part of the weapon. It is removable, but there are no back up sights after the optic has been removed. The rail that is left behind after the optical pod has been removed sits lower than the rail on the 'tactical' model, though iron sights can still be installed on it. The 'standard' model, in my opinion, is rather unattractive and is much more limiting in terms of optics. Also, the safety is totally ambidextrous and works just like the one found on the P90/Ps90 (the rotating drum type) |
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This is an excellent post. You've hit on all of the major points of the FS2000. I don't think I've ever seen it as concisely or well-written.
Definitely agree on the "it's not an AR" analysis. Try to shoot it like one, and you'll hate it. Treat it like a bullpup or even a conventional layout Euro rifle and it works better. Anyway, great work. |
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Originally Posted By Findsman:
This is an excellent post. You've hit on all of the major points of the FS2000. I don't think I've ever seen it as concisely or well-written. Definitely agree on the "it's not an AR" analysis. Try to shoot it like one, and you'll hate it. Treat it like a bullpup or even a conventional layout Euro rifle and it works better. Anyway, great work. Thank you. Would it be beneficial to sticky this thread? |
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very well done. I have an Eotec XPS 2-2 with a 3x mag on mine (a standard model). I would like to put on some folding BUIS but I dont think it will fit, so I agree with your assessment aboutthe standard model limiting sight options. The cleanliness of the internals even after hundreds of rounds fired is quite remarkable. My cleaning of this rifle consists of nothing more than a wipedown followed by relubeing. The piston is pretty easy to keep clean with any cleaner that breaks up carbon (I use Gunslicks Foaming Bore Cleaner). I had only one handload that wouldnt cycle in the normal gas setting (a 36 grain varment grenade load) but that was quickly rectified by setting the gas position to adverse.
Everything I have experienced with mine leads me to agree totally with your writeup. Again, great job! |
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Originally Posted By ehryk:
very well done. I have an Eotec XPS 2-2 with a 3x mag on mine (a standard model). I would like to put on some folding BUIS but I dont think it will fit, so I agree with your assessment aboutthe standard model limiting sight options. The cleanliness of the internals even after hundreds of rounds fired is quite remarkable. My cleaning of this rifle consists of nothing more than a wipedown followed by relubeing. The piston is pretty easy to keep clean with any cleaner that breaks up carbon (I use Gunslicks Foaming Bore Cleaner). I had only one handload that wouldnt cycle in the normal gas setting (a 36 grain varment grenade load) but that was quickly rectified by setting the gas position to adverse. Everything I have experienced with mine leads me to agree totally with your writeup. Again, great job! If you use the old style Yankee Hill Machine BUIS they will, particularly the rear, take up the least amount of rail space of any that I looked at. I had the YHM BUIS, with the front reversed to fold down forward, a Eotech 512 and LaRue Po' boy magnifier all comfortably mounted on a tactical. |
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Originally Posted By 1811GNR:
Originally Posted By ehryk:
very well done. I have an Eotec XPS 2-2 with a 3x mag on mine (a standard model). I would like to put on some folding BUIS but I dont think it will fit, so I agree with your assessment aboutthe standard model limiting sight options. The cleanliness of the internals even after hundreds of rounds fired is quite remarkable. My cleaning of this rifle consists of nothing more than a wipedown followed by relubeing. The piston is pretty easy to keep clean with any cleaner that breaks up carbon (I use Gunslicks Foaming Bore Cleaner). I had only one handload that wouldnt cycle in the normal gas setting (a 36 grain varment grenade load) but that was quickly rectified by setting the gas position to adverse. Everything I have experienced with mine leads me to agree totally with your writeup. Again, great job! If you use the old style Yankee Hill Machine BUIS they will, particularly the rear, take up the least amount of rail space of any that I looked at. I had the YHM BUIS, with the front reversed to fold down forward, a Eotech 512 and LaRue Po' boy magnifier all comfortably mounted on a tactical. Yeah its tough to get irons, eotech and magnifier all to fit on the same rail, but with the right set of sights its possible I plan on replacing the stock irons with a set of Magpul BUIS. This will shorten sight radius even more, but will give me a better cheek weld and will co witness with most any standard height optic. Another good (but more expensive) option is the Troy low-profile flip up sights. |
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Another issue I forgot to mention is that the grip angle, while comfortable enough for normal shooting, is angled sharply, and tends to aggravate the wrist after carrying the gun in 'patrol position' for a long time. A good solid sling is mandantory with the FS2000, especially if carrying it through the woods while hunting or something. Holding it freehanded will get old very fast
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Excellent write up, but I must disagree with a couple points, as I own one FS2000 just like yours and a new Steyr AUG A3.
First the trigger––-it is not simply just a "mushy" affair it is long, mushy, and extremely heavy at about 10 lbs+. My trigger finger gets "tired" after trying to shoot accurate groups from the bench, my 11 year old has to use 2 fingers to fire it when I let him shoot it on the bench. This is a massive detriment to what is very agreeably a rifle as accurate as any AR15 and better, but you will not be able to squeeze it out becasue of the trigger. The reason I bring this up first is the Trigger Tamer in the AUG takes the trigger to 5-6 lbs with about an 1/8" of creep-very minimal-and everyone who shoots both rifles side by side comments on this and how easy it is to shoot the AUG accurately while you are fighting the FS2000. Advantage-AUG The mag release issue-this is not as bug a deal to me as some, but it is a drastic slowdown compared to the AUG wich you can very easily do a one hand speed re-load, go to their website and watch the video of the guys who are professionals do it-it is damn near as fast as the AR. Advantage AUG Bolt hold open––yes the AK series has gotten by with this for 60 years, but why would you really NOT want this feature on a $1,800 rifle? AK's cost $400. Advantage AUG Ability to mount lights and verticle grips––the FS costs more new than the AUG and comes with no rails for lights and a verticle grip––the AUG A3 has both these covered from the factory. Advantage AUG Mounting a sling-light years easier on the AUG to mount a sling and it comes with the "swivel" type loops from the factory-ready to go Advantage AUG I am right handed so yes the FS wins if you are a lefty and you only want AR style mags in all your guns the FS wins, but the AUG mags are very well built and are see through, I like them. If the Steyr would have been out a few years earlier I would have bought it first and never looked back, I think the FS is a very reliable weapon (once you fix the light primer strikes issue) and has excellent accuracy, but its deficiencies outweigh its positive points when compared to a similar priced AUG right out the box. And the AUG comes with a nice padded carry case that holds the rifle in it secure, and 2 30 round mags, and the mentioned rail and grip on the front. If you all go shoot an AUG you will want one, and the FS will sit in the safe. Now if someone came up with a real trigger job, and a less expensive rail system for the FS I might move it up a notch. |
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Originally Posted By BullittBoy:
Excellent write up, but I must disagree with a couple points, as I own one FS2000 just like yours and a new Steyr AUG A3. First the trigger––-it is not simply just a "mushy" affair it is long, mushy, and extremely heavy at about 10 lbs+. My trigger finger gets "tired" after trying to shoot accurate groups from the bench, my 11 year old has to use 2 fingers to fire it when I let him shoot it on the bench. This is a massive detriment to what is very agreeably a rifle as accurate as any AR15 and better, but you will not be able to squeeze it out becasue of the trigger. The reason I bring this up first is the Trigger Tamer in the AUG takes the trigger to 5-6 lbs with about an 1/8" of creep-very minimal-and everyone who shoots both rifles side by side comments on this and how easy it is to shoot the AUG accurately while you are fighting the FS2000. Advantage-AUG The mag release issue-this is not as bug a deal to me as some, but it is a drastic slowdown compared to the AUG wich you can very easily do a one hand speed re-load, go to their website and watch the video of the guys who are professionals do it-it is damn near as fast as the AR. Advantage AUG Bolt hold open––yes the AK series has gotten by with this for 60 years, but why would you really NOT want this feature on a $1,800 rifle? AK's cost $400. Advantage AUG Ability to mount lights and verticle grips––the FS costs more new than the AUG and comes with no rails for lights and a verticle grip––the AUG A3 has both these covered from the factory. Advantage AUG Mounting a sling-light years easier on the AUG to mount a sling and it comes with the "swivel" type loops from the factory-ready to go Advantage AUG I am right handed so yes the FS wins if you are a lefty and you only want AR style mags in all your guns the FS wins, but the AUG mags are very well built and are see through, I like them. If the Steyr would have been out a few years earlier I would have bought it first and never looked back, I think the FS is a very reliable weapon (once you fix the light primer strikes issue) and has excellent accuracy, but its deficiencies outweigh its positive points when compared to a similar priced AUG right out the box. And the AUG comes with a nice padded carry case that holds the rifle in it secure, and 2 30 round mags, and the mentioned rail and grip on the front. If you all go shoot an AUG you will want one, and the FS will sit in the safe. Now if someone came up with a real trigger job, and a less expensive rail system for the FS I might move it up a notch. As far as I know, the Bolt hold Open thing is not possible on the FS2000 because of the forward eject feature. The forward motion of the bolt is what powers the ejection mechanism, so a last round hold open would leave a spent casing behind in the action. I too am a righty, so the ambi nature of the FS is basically worthless, but for a lefty it might be a worthy trade. I have shot the AUG series extensively and agree with you mostly. The STG that I shot had a shorter but seemingly heavier trigger. It was also less reliable. The AUG A3, now Id certainly rank it above the FS2000. In terms of reliability the FS has the Microtech clones beat, at least in my personal experience. |
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The RFB appears to have a a bolt-hold-open feature and it's forward eject. On their web site video it looks like the ejector just retains the shell until the bolt is released. Maybe not ideal but still possible.
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Originally Posted By FNHKSIG: Magazines. It takes any GI style 30 round AR mag. No PMags, no Emags, no Lancers or other polymer mags. The FN mag that the weapon comes with is junk, the follower sticks and the mag is worthless. I ordered 10 C-Products mags and have had flawless performance with all of them. They are by and large considered to be the best quality metal AR mag available, and they come equipped with Magpul antitilt followers. I'd reccomend loading to 28 rounds, as they are easier to insert on a closed bolt. Fantastic report- Thank you! These have always been interesting to me, and your insight has drawn me back. I am curious about the statement above. As a person who has had to send mags back to CProducts, and have had real live friends who have had to send back or fire sale them over the course of years now, could this be an issue with the mags or is it inherent to the rifle? Have you tried Center, NHMTG, D&H, etc?
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Some like it loud- we like it louder, louder than hell.
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^^Interesting. I have ten of them. Maybe I should test fire all of them extensively, at least more so than I have.
I got all ten, picked out three to be my 'always loaded go-to mags' and function tested them with several hundred rounds through each. I put a mag worth of ammo through the remaining seven mags with no issues, but I suppose something could be wrong with them that I havent noticed yet Next time I go to the range, I will try a different batch of mags. |
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Very informative! Ever since I fondled one at my local gun store, I've wanted one of those things but given my financial situation I can't justify purchasing I gun that I don't consider "battle worthy". I think it has potential though, maybe they'll fix the issues eventually.
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Originally Posted By FNHKSIG:
Adding a new pic that shows the gun with tri rail http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac40/FNHKSIG/DSC01194.jpg What is that in front of the trigger guard on the rail? |
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valheru21:"The argument, "this gun won't go down in value," is used to convince the wife that you are not making a bad financial decision when purchasing a firearm. You're not ACTUALLY supposed to ever sell the gun."
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Originally Posted By 1811GNR:
Originally Posted By FNHKSIG:
Adding a new pic that shows the gun with tri rail http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac40/FNHKSIG/DSC01194.jpg What is that in front of the trigger guard on the rail? Its a sling swivel. I usually carry the weapon on a single point sling when out in the woods hunting or something, but if its a longer hike, I will hook the sling up to both points and it goes on the shoulder |
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Man I hate to sound superficial, but that tri-rail looks damn good.
I need to unsubscribe from this thread before I have to start shelling out some bux. |
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Some like it loud- we like it louder, louder than hell.
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Originally Posted By GoGo:
Man I hate to sound superficial, but that tri-rail looks damn good. I need to unsubscribe from this thread before I have to start shelling out some bux. I think the Tri-Rail TOTALLY changes the appearance AND feel of the gun for the better The stock handguard is goofy looking, and in my opinion, uncomfortable/impractical The rail setup not only allows a vertical grip, but also fixes one of the biggest issues with the FS: no place for lights I love mine, its not cheap, but its probably the second most important thing you can buy for this gun, first being an optic |
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This looks like a good addition to the tacked Gateway thread.
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I added it in there a couple days ago
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99.99% of the time, I guess right. I didn't look as I'm traveling and not spending hours and hours here.
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I scoured the internet for an honest, in depth review of this gun and found nothing, so I figured it would make a good addition to the pinned group
My next project is going to be find someone with a dremel who can do the flashlight modification to my handguard. Am I allowed to make a post on here about that, or is that against COC? |
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Originally Posted By FNHKSIG:
I scoured the internet for an honest, in depth review of this gun and found nothing, so I figured it would make a good addition to the pinned group My next project is going to be find someone with a dremel who can do the flashlight modification to my handguard. Am I allowed to make a post on here about that, or is that against COC? I would say buy a dremel and read some of the DIY guides on that mod I see no reason why it would be a COC violation but I'm just some regular asshole, not a mod. OP great looking rifle and equally great review. |
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UPDATE:
Lancer L5 mags DO work in this rifle as long as you sand down the little ridge on the side. These are excellent mags, see through, and the modification does not affect the integrity of the mag in any way. Check out page 13 of the FS2000/P90 picture thread for an example of this. |
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Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Thats one of the cooler looking FS2000's I've seen. Im ditching the tri rail to go to a light mounted handguard, I just like the sleek lines more. EOtech is next on the list. Youre my inspiration (is that gay?) |
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Originally Posted By FNHKSIG:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Thats one of the cooler looking FS2000's I've seen. Im ditching the tri rail to go to a light mounted handguard, I just like the sleek lines more. EOtech is next on the list. Youre my inspiration (is that gay?) Not gay! Haha thanks though for the "props" |
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Good write-up on the FS2000. A good, honest review from the perspective of an owner/shooter of the FS2000.
As for my two cents........... I own the bone stock standard model, and love it as is. But the modular feature of the optics unit allows for some flexibility if I need it, just not on the level of the "tactical" model. Getting a sling wasn't a problem for me. Nor did it hurt my wallet. Uncle Mike's nylon utility sling. Ten bucks at my local hunting outfitter. Problem solved. I personally don't have a problem with the trigger on this weapon. In my opinion, it's okay for what the rifle is. I wasn't expecting a bench rest rifle when I picked this thing up from my local FN dealer. As for the lack of a "last shot" bolt hold open feature, I wasn't surprised. The FS2000 is a very European design. Like the 'no drop' magazines in many European handguns, eccentricity is something I expect from the "latest and greatest" Euro-centric designs. As for the mag provided by FN for the rifle, I haven't had any issues as of yet. But I tend to favor other makes/brands of mags in any case and have plenty of them. So, no biggie. Once again, great write-up OP. |
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Originally Posted By 10mmPatriot:
Good write-up on the FS2000. A good, honest review from the perspective of an owner/shooter of the FS2000. As for my two cents........... I own the bone stock standard model, and love it as is. But the modular feature of the optics unit allows for some flexibility if I need it, just not on the level of the "tactical" model. Getting a sling wasn't a problem for me. Nor did it hurt my wallet. Uncle Mike's nylon utility sling. Ten bucks at my local hunting outfitter. Problem solved. I personally don't have a problem with the trigger on this weapon. In my opinion, it's okay for what the rifle is. I wasn't expecting a bench rest rifle when I picked this thing up from my local FN dealer. As for the lack of a "last shot" bolt hold open feature, I wasn't surprised. The FS2000 is a very European design. Like the 'no drop' magazines in many European handguns, eccentricity is something I expect from the "latest and greatest" Euro-centric designs. As for the mag provided by FN for the rifle, I haven't had any issues as of yet. But I tend to favor other makes/brands of mags in any case and have plenty of them. So, no biggie. Once again, great write-up OP. Thank you. Heres what I don’t understand about the argument for drop free mags in bullpup type rifles….. Lets break it down in terms of numbered steps required to reload the weapon. Gun goes click or bolt locks back, youre OUT of ammo. 1)Reach up with weak hand, grab mag and pull mag out (while pressing mag release) 2)Either discard or stow away spent magazine (hand is down at side, so its easy to move to step 3) 3)Grab new mag and insert into magwell 4)Rack bolt / press bolt release (depends on weapon) Now youre loaded and back in action. That’s FOUR steps. Lets say the AUG or F2000 had drop-free mag capability, what would the real difference be? You still have to reach up to the weapon to actuate the button to drop your empty mag (step 1) You then have to bring your arm back down to grab a spare mag (step 2) you then have to insert the new mag (step 3), then you have to rack the bolt (step 4). Its all about economy of movement. With an AR, you can drop your old mag WHILE you reach for a new one, so you are saving a step. With the bullpups, even if they dropped free, youd still have to use your other hand to punch the mag release button, the only difference would be that you would now have a mag on the ground instead of back in your dump pouch. There are probably milliseconds difference between reloading a drop-free F2000 (possible, if you remove the rubber dust gasket) and a non-drop free F2000 (factory standard) but its not enough time difference to make it a worthwhile feature. Its basically 4 steps to reload either way. The kicker is not being able to drop the mag with your strong hand like on an AR or SIG. Non drop free mags is a silly argument with bullpup rifles. |
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How do you open the lunch box in the buttstock with that sling attached?
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My msg gasket burnt out so I punched the whole thing out.. Magazines drop free if you press the Mag release now. Also, an Ar15 is only faster if you are right handed or have an ambi mag release, and even then, you should be in cover (hopefully with someone else covering you) while you do a mag change so Hal a second is no biggie
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Is there any reason this rifle doesn't have it's own sling point like a standard stock AR?
Has anyone ever tried to put one on? How difficult is it to remove a 20rnd mag without a ranger floor plate or magpul? Is the white plastic looking piece the bolt carrier? Is it not metal for a reason, like it would cause more wear on the plastic receiver or something? Are there affordable, easy to install trigger mods? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Is there any reason this rifle doesn't have it's own sling point like a standard stock AR? Has anyone ever tried to put one on? There is a front attachment point for hk hooks on both sides of the rifle, and the rear of the stock on each side has a loop slot How difficult is it to remove a 20rnd mag without a ranger floor plate or magpul? Not difficult at all Is the white plastic looking piece the bolt carrier? Is it not metal for a reason, like it would cause more wear on the plastic receiver or something? The white plastic thing is the switch, which pushes spent cases into the ejection tube, and also loads a fresh round into the chamber Are there affordable, easy to install trigger mods? Neutrigger Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Yes. There are a few ways to sling it. SKT and urban ert make good slings
About the 20rd magazines, correct, with your off hand, you push the mag release button in with the bridge/top of your hand, and at the same time pull down to take the magazine out. About the switch, it is very durable. There are a few ways to break/damage it. Incorrect reassembly and some force will crack it, a KB will crack it, and thousands of rounds will wear it down. I replaced two switches wash on different rifles after 5000+ rounds ($14) |
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Just found this great thread and thought I would add some additional tech to it. A friend of mine brought one in to me this past winter for a shake down and here is what I did on it. sorry for the crossing over, but the info is valuable if you like shooting this design and want a trigger improvement.
Google "fixing the crapy FS2000 trigger" and you will see the work performed. |
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Just handled one at a gun show. Really like it but getting the mag out takes an effort. Can that rubber seal/gasket be removed to make the mate drop easier?
That issue alone is a deal breaker for me on this rifle. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Just handled one at a gun show. Really like it but getting the mag out takes an effort. Can that rubber seal/gasket be removed to make the mate drop easier? That issue alone is a deal breaker for me on this rifle. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yes it can be removed |
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Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader: Originally Posted By pathfinder74: Just handled one at a gun show. Really like it but getting the mag out takes an effort. Can that rubber seal/gasket be removed to make the mate drop easier? That issue alone is a deal breaker for me on this rifle. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yes it can be removed How much easier does it make it to remove the mag? How difficult is it to remove? I've all but moved on because of that one thing. |
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Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Originally Posted By Friendly_Crusader:
Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Just handled one at a gun show. Really like it but getting the mag out takes an effort. Can that rubber seal/gasket be removed to make the mate drop easier? That issue alone is a deal breaker for me on this rifle. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yes it can be removed How much easier does it make it to remove the mag? How difficult is it to remove? I've all but moved on because of that one thing. I used a punch. Once it's out it's out. It made it extremely easy to take the mag out, they almost drop free. |
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