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Posted: 5/3/2016 3:34:59 PM EDT
I am going to be selling my M16 and would like some advice on how to proceed. I have had it since the early 1990’s and have had a lot of fun with it, but I hardly ever shoot it anymore and could use the money more than the gun.

My M16 is an SGW/Oly. Arms that was converted by Northwest Arms Company. It is a typical SGW lower in that it has the high deck, so that most uppers don’t fit well without a little fitting. I never bothered to send it to M60Joe to have it put into spec as I only had a couple of uppers and they were easy to fit. Magwell is not tight and mags drop out easily. It currently has a Colt 10.5” barrel and Colt lower parts. I run an H2 buffer and it runs like a champ.

I am aware of the process to sell it as I have sold several NFA items to residents of my state and they have all gone smoothly. My questions are as follow:

1. What would be a fair price to ask for it that will move it quickly?

2. Do I ask for all the funds up front? I have excellent feedback on here as well as on Oklahoma Shooters (where I sold my other NFA items), so I don’t think asking for funds up front is unreasonable, do you?

3. I would want the buyer to pay the transfer taxes. Is that fair?

4. Where would I advertise it to get serious buyers and avoid tire-kickers?

5. Should we write up a contract? If so, does anyone have some examples?

6. Anything else I should be aware of?

I appreciate any information that you have to offer. TIA




Link Posted: 5/3/2016 3:44:49 PM EDT
[#1]
There's an old saying a friend who owns a surplus electronic components house in the Bay Area told me many years ago.

"Kiss the Patsy"


So, offer to split [or even pay] the transfer expense with the potential Buyer...

It will pay dividends letting you get a higher price for the gun...




Link Posted: 5/3/2016 4:06:25 PM EDT
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1. What would be a fair price to ask for it that will move it quickly?
2. Do I ask for all the funds up front? I have excellent feedback on here as well as on Oklahoma Shooters (where I sold my other NFA items), so I don’t think asking for funds up front is unreasonable, do you?
3. I would want the buyer to pay the transfer taxes. Is that fair?
4. Where would I advertise it to get serious buyers and avoid tire-kickers?
5. Should we write up a contract? If so, does anyone have some examples?
6. Anything else I should be aware of?
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My $0.02--

- You (seller) will get the better deal if you're not in a big hurry (obviously).  How "quckly" do you want to sell?
- I'd start out asking for 100% up-front; you can always do 50/50 if that's what it takes (for a small additional %tage, of course)
- As stated, the buyer is paying the x-fer taxes, one way or another.  What does it really matter if it's a discrete, extra
$200.00 or "buried" in the total transaction price?  Generate some good will by "offering to pay" the X-fer fee... it's only 1% or so either way...
but "fair" is anything you can negotiate... this is a luxury item, not food... the buyer can always find another gun.
- Advertise on Sturm/Subguns.  I would imagine "tire-kickers" are unavoidable, unless it's priced as a ridiculously good deal.
or... you can sell to a dealer (no tire-kickers but you take a hit).  BTW, you can always see what Reuben or Spiwak will offer, as
something to have in your "back pocket".
- ABSOLUTELY write up a contract (legally, more like a purchase agreement).  If nothing else, this will itemize what happens
and when, what accessories are included (if any), who pays what fees, etc.  You don't want to "assume" when $20K is on the
line...
- As for other stuff:  uou will need References, or some other way to "vet" yourself before somebody sends you that kind of $$$'s (maybe an FFL or
SOT, if you have one).


YMMV.  Good luck!



Link Posted: 5/3/2016 4:11:52 PM EDT
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I am going to be selling my M16 and would like some advice on how to proceed. I have had it since the early 1990’s and have had a lot of fun with it, but I hardly ever shoot it anymore and could use the money more than the gun.

My M16 is an SGW/Oly. Arms that was converted by Northwest Arms Company. It is a typical SGW lower in that it has the high deck, so that most uppers don’t fit well without a little fitting. I never bothered to send it to M60Joe to have it put into spec as I only had a couple of uppers and they were easy to fit. Magwell is not tight and mags drop out easily. It currently has a Colt 10.5” barrel and Colt lower parts. I run an H2 buffer and it runs like a champ.

I am aware of the process to sell it as I have sold several NFA items to residents of my state and they have all gone smoothly. My questions are as follow:

1. What would be a fair price to ask for it that will move it quickly?$17-19,000 depending on how quickly you want to sell it. I think one was just listed for $16,995 on strum and it sold in a day

2. Do I ask for all the funds up front? I have excellent feedback on here as well as on Oklahoma Shooters (where I sold my other NFA items), so I don’t think asking for funds up front is unreasonable, do you?I'd ask for the funds up front. That's normal in the NFA world. I'd offer the buyer to fly out and see it in person if they want.

3. I would want the buyer to pay the transfer taxes. Is that fair?either way. I've always paid the transfer fee, but some times sellers offer to pay the first tax. I mean it's what, 1% of your asking price? I'd say buyer pays for the taxes and shipping costs. If no one bites then offer something to kick in. It's a buyers market right now.

4. Where would I advertise it to get serious buyers and avoid tire-kickers?strum, subguns, EE here, gunbroker, gunbroker with a .01 no reserve auction will get you true market value but it takes time and you'll pay their fees as well.

5. Should we write up a contract? If so, does anyone have some examples?I'd suggest it, just for piece of mind. I was working at a local shop that bought an NFA item, guy died before the ATF approved the transfer, distant cousin claimed grampy had promised them the gun years before, was a whole mess. Just from that aspect I'd say it's worth doing. There are a number of sale contracts you could find, I'd say ask on the OK shooters, likely someone has one they have used before. Or pay a lawyer, Prince law offices might be willing to write you up something, he posts here from time to time but you could email him. I wouldn't pay for a lawyer, but if you want a sure thing and not an Internet suggested one that would be the way to do it.

6. Anything else I should be aware of?DONT SELL IT!!!!!!

I appreciate any information that you have to offer. TIA

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v389/CAR-AR-M16/M16fs_zps20flymwg.jpg


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Link Posted: 5/3/2016 4:27:28 PM EDT
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M16 Market Data
Transferable M16 machine guns and estimated market values:
RLL $15-18k
RDIAS $27-32k
RR Non-Colt Cast AR15 Conversion $17-19k
RR Non-Colt AR15 Conversion $18-20k
RR Colt AR15 SP1 Conversion $18-20k
RR Colt AR15 614 $22-24k
RR Colt M16 $22-24k
RR Colt M16A1 $24-28k
RR Colt M16A2 $28-33k
RR Colt M16A2 Commando $33-38k (Marked "Auto" instead of "Burst")

Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com
http://www.atfmachinegun.com
http://www.autoweapons.com
http://www.impactguns.com
http://www.subguns.com
http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com
http://www.davidspiwak.com
http://dealernfa.com
http://www.gunbroker.com
http://www.nfasales.com
http://www.classiiidealers.com/
http://www.westernfirearms.com/
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/class-iii-full-auto/
http://www.urban-armory.com/
http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html
Website that tracks machine gun values:
http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/

Websites like subguns and Sturm will let you post private ads. Others are dealers and will buy your MG at like 80% +/- market value.

Link Posted: 5/3/2016 6:32:05 PM EDT
[#5]
You may also want to consider a consignment sale via a local Class 3 Dealer if you have them.  Saves you the trouble of 'tire kickers' and puts the gun in front of local potential buyers which could avoid the double tax and transfer time.  You or the Dealer could also simultaneously list on the internet sites noted.

Best of luck however you decide to proceed.
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 7:06:53 PM EDT
[#6]
I just purchased my 3rd one back in February and I paid $13K for it, but that was a friend that I purchased it from, right now, they are going from $17 to $25K, you need to figure out exactly what you want for it, looking at the picture you have, I would be asking right in the $19K area for it and I would be offering to pony up 1/2 half of the fees to a prospective purchaser.  I would make sure that every single little thing on that rifle works and I would be willing to drive to meet someone so they could look at it in person.

They are not difficult to sell, there is always someone willing to purchase one, but you just need to make sure to cross your T's and dot your I's when you find a purchaser, lots of people are interested, but there are not many that have the means to spend the money.

Good luck on your sale.  Sorry you have to sell.
Link Posted: 5/4/2016 4:49:19 PM EDT
[#7]
I sure do appreciate the info provided. It is very helpful. I do have another question though. If I sell it to someone out of state, what is the best and most secure method of shipping it to their dealer? I sure wouldn't want it "lost in the mail". I remember a thread not too long ago where the post office did lose someone's RR and they did not pay the full amount he insured it for.
Link Posted: 5/4/2016 5:00:52 PM EDT
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I sure do appreciate the info provided. It is very helpful. I do have another question though. If I sell it to someone out of state, what is the best and most secure method of shipping it to their dealer? I sure wouldn't want it "lost in the mail". I remember a thread not too long ago where the post office did lose someone's RR and they did not pay the full amount he insured it for.
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Registered mail, insured at full value.  I remember the story and he did not use registered mail.
Link Posted: 5/4/2016 8:56:10 PM EDT
[#9]
You always insure for the full amount plus, as a volatile market exists on these guns, I would not insure for less than $25K, but make sure you can track it 6 ways from Sunday.

Registered, Insured, return receipt required and delivery notification.
Link Posted: 5/5/2016 10:12:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/6/2016 1:07:24 AM EDT
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CAR-AR-M16, sorry you are going to sell your M16. (As others have posted, don't sell it!)

You and I have known each other, through IM's etc., for more than a decade, so if at any time you need references, please feel free to send them to me.

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That is very nice of you Tony. I do appreciate it.
Link Posted: 5/6/2016 3:04:36 PM EDT
[#12]
Just wanted to say thanks again to all who gave me advice on this transaction. As of right now it is sold. Just waiting to meet up to get the funds and start the paperwork.
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 12:50:28 AM EDT
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Just wanted to say thanks again to all who gave me advice on this transaction. As of right now it is sold. Just waiting to meet up to get the funds and start the paperwork.
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Pleasure doing business with you!  Can't say enough good things about this guy everyone.  Today was the smoothest most comfortable machine gun purchase I've ever made for myself or a customer.  Thanks again!
Link Posted: 5/11/2016 12:19:06 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/12/2016 7:16:28 PM EDT
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LOL the this is not an ad that turns into an ad ;)

collegeboy is GtG tho
Link Posted: 5/13/2016 7:54:34 AM EDT
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Pleasure doing business with you!  Can't say enough good things about this guy everyone.  Today was the smoothest most comfortable machine gun purchase I've ever made for myself or a customer.  Thanks again!
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Just wanted to say thanks again to all who gave me advice on this transaction. As of right now it is sold. Just waiting to meet up to get the funds and start the paperwork.


Pleasure doing business with you!  Can't say enough good things about this guy everyone.  Today was the smoothest most comfortable machine gun purchase I've ever made for myself or a customer.  Thanks again!


Thank you for helping me and your customer out. It was my smoothest deal as well and I really enjoyed meeting you.
Link Posted: 5/13/2016 7:58:35 AM EDT
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LOL the this is not an ad that turns into an ad ;)

collegeboy is GtG tho
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I truly did only post this to get advice on how to go about selling my M16. I had no intention of it being a WTS post. I was writing up a WTS thread to post on several of the websites suggested when collegeboy PM'd me saying he had a customer looking for an M16.
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