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Woodys556
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Posted: 4/21/2011 5:26:46 PM
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If one was to own a registered Drop in Auto Sear, Stamp, paperwork and all that crap, could one build a 80% lower around it and be okie dokie with the feds?
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Posted: 4/21/2011 5:53:31 PM
Sure. There is no law against it.

However, I would engrave my name/city/state on the 80% receiver, as well as a serial number. Because if LE or ROs ever see a receiver with no markings shooting full-auto, they will be more prone to start asking a lot of questions, and IMHO it's not worth the hassle.
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Posted: 4/21/2011 6:03:07 PM
When I read the title I though you were asking about one of these.



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Posted: 4/21/2011 6:20:54 PM

Originally Posted By osprey21:
When I read the title I though you were asking about one of these.



http://i54.tinypic.com/ingwp5.jpg

So that sear is the registered part? Can it be placed into other receivers?

I have never seen that before.
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Posted: 4/21/2011 6:30:28 PM
Now that is a GI auto sear, not a DROP IN Registered Auto Sear

Good advice on the 80% se#.

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Posted: 4/21/2011 6:50:53 PM

Originally Posted By Woodys556:
Now that is a GI auto sear, not a DROP IN Registered Auto Sear

As I posted above... "When I read the title I though you were asking about one of these" which IS a "Registered Auto Sear."
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Posted: 4/22/2011 5:22:47 AM
These registered auto sears get me confused. (Not talking about RDIAS)

How can an regular autosear be registered, but not the lower receiver when there is the third pin hole on the lower?
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Posted: 4/22/2011 8:27:14 AM
Originally Posted By Kleinman:
These registered auto sears get me confused. (Not talking about RDIAS)

How can an regular autosear be registered, but not the lower receiver when there is the third pin hole on the lower?


they would be "married" in much the same way AK sears are to the host weapon.


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Posted: 4/22/2011 11:28:10 AM
I hate to be "Female" about this, but can we get back to the OP topic?

WHat I am hearing is that is it cool to be able to do this.

Any other opinions?
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Posted: 4/22/2011 11:49:30 AM

Originally Posted By Kleinman:
These registered auto sears get me confused. (Not talking about RDIAS)

How can an regular autosear be registered, but not the lower receiver when there is the third pin hole on the lower?

When you do a F1 or F2, the BATFE does not come out and check your work. So it is easy to register a standard Auto Sear. That does not make it a valid registration.

As you point out, the lower is also a MG, whether that is registered or not is not mentioned.
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Posted: 4/22/2011 11:50:10 AM

Originally Posted By Woodys556:
I hate to be "Female" about this, but can we get back to the OP topic?

WHat I am hearing is that is it cool to be able to do this.

Any other opinions?

You do not need a DIAS to make a semi-auto firearm.
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Posted: 4/22/2011 11:56:37 AM
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Woodys556:
I hate to be "Female" about this, but can we get back to the OP topic?

WHat I am hearing is that is it cool to be able to do this.

Any other opinions?

You do not need a DIAS to make a semi-auto firearm.


I know that. I want to make a 80% AR THEN use a RDIAS, and I am trying to find out if it is Okie Dokie.
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Posted: 4/22/2011 12:37:47 PM
Originally Posted By Woodys556:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Woodys556:
I hate to be "Female" about this, but can we get back to the OP topic?

WHat I am hearing is that is it cool to be able to do this.

Any other opinions?

You do not need a DIAS to make a semi-auto firearm.


I know that. I want to make a 80% AR THEN use a RDIAS, and I am trying to find out if it is Okie Dokie.


well, a couple have folks have already told you, so, here it is again:

it's legal to make and use an 80% lower.

it's legal to own and use an RDIAS (state laws apply)

it's legal to put your legally owned DIAS into your legally made 80% lower and use them.


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Posted: 4/24/2011 4:20:25 PM
"it's legal to put your legally owned DIAS into your legally made 80% lower and use them."

To be clear, an 80% lower by definition, is not a firearm. An 80% lower that has been completed by you, is a firearm and at a minimum requires a serial #. Your name city and state would be a good idea. As Tony pointed out, that might limit questions of LE. So finish the 80% and have some fun. YMMV.

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Posted: 4/25/2011 12:29:25 PM
Originally Posted By canon3825:
An 80% lower that has been completed by you, is a firearm and at a minimum requires a serial #.
Scott



It is not a firearm per NFA just GCA and requires no markings unless you are licensed to making it (type 7 FFL).
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Posted: 6/1/2011 2:49:55 AM
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