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Posted: 8/18/2015 10:25:34 PM EDT
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I saw the thread here where a forum member picked up a M11/9 for a crazy good price (sub 4K), but I cannot find one available for purchase less than $6,500. Is this the going rate now. What's the going rate for a decent M11/9 shooter? I've got plenty of SBR's and suppressors, and feel like I'd really like to kick things up a notch and get an entry level SMG. Any leads would be greatly appreciated! I think when the first few batches of the new ones came out it was around 5k...but Im sure it keeps going up. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 10:38:21 PM EDT
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I bet you can, but you're going to have to be at the right place at the right time and have the money to do the deal. That sort of deal you aren't likely to find online (sturm, subguns, etc.). If you find it, it will be locally listed or someone will know someone. Talk to people in your area who are into that stuff...you never know what they might know. I found my Colt M16 for at least $7000 under market value because it was locally listed in my local newspaper and someone who I had been talking to about them emailed me to let me know about it.
I'm on the lookout for a cheap one too. I doubt I'll find one myself, but I'm ready to move on it if I do. |
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Posted: 8/18/2015 10:52:27 PM EDT
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Someone just sold a mac 11 in good shape with accessories on castboolits for $4200.
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Posted: 8/18/2015 10:55:46 PM EDT
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$6500?? Man, it'd be hard not to sell at that price. FA is VERY overrated IMHO
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Posted: 8/19/2015 9:49:55 AM EDT
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Check your local shops. C3 dealers do trading quite often. Other shops may have people come in asking if they want to buy their dead dad's stuff. It's cheap. They can't deal if they aren't class 3 dealers, so give them your info to give to people who ask.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 10:23:27 AM EDT
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You should be able to find one for $4-5k if you are patient and put some effort into it. The $3200 that guy got paid was insanely low and the dealer easily missed out on $2,000 profit.
Depending on your state you may be able to buy it online out of state and avoid all sales taxes, but this requires an extra $200 stamp so depending on the tax rate this may not be worth it, it usually is a bigger savings when you are looking at guns in the 5 fig range. Always have the cash in hand, or at least in the bank, when you find a deal you have to move quick, you dont have time to sell stocks, an ATV, Boat, other firearms, etc...by time you do that the MG will have been snagged by a more serious buyer. Pay via a check to avoid the 3% credit card fees. Get involved in your local firearms community and ask around. People with Suppressors and SBRs are a good place to start but always be listening for that full auto sound while at the range and dont be afraid to strike up a conversation, must of us are friendly and enjoy talking about what we own or might have for sale. Class 3 dealers might also be able to help link you with a possible seller. Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns, check these sites daily as good deals will not last long, sometimes MGs will sell within a few hours or less of being posted. http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.shootersdepot.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 12:57:07 PM EDT
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You should be able to find one for $4-5k if you are patient and put some effort into it. The $3200 that guy got paid was insanely low and the dealer easily missed out on $2,000 profit. Depending on your state you may be able to buy it online out of state and avoid all sales taxes, but this requires an extra $200 stamp so depending on the tax rate this may not be worth it, it usually is a bigger savings when you are looking at guns in the 5 fig range. Always have the cash in hand, or at least in the bank, when you find a deal you have to move quick, you dont have time to sell stocks, an ATV, Boat, other firearms, etc...by time you do that the MG will have been snagged by a more serious buyer. Pay via a check to avoid the 3% credit card fees. Get involved in your local firearms community and ask around. People with Suppressors and SBRs are a good place to start but always be listening for that full auto sound while at the range and dont be afraid to strike up a conversation, must of us are friendly and enjoy talking about what we own or might have for sale. Class 3 dealers might also be able to help link you with a possible seller. Websites to watch for good deals on machine guns, check these sites daily as good deals will not last long, sometimes MGs will sell within a few hours or less of being posted. http://www.sturmgewehr.com http://www.shootersdepot.com http://www.atfmachinegun.com http://www.autoweapons.com http://www.impactguns.com http://www.subguns.com http://www.onlythebestfirearms.com http://www.davidspiwak.com http://dealernfa.com http://www.gunbroker.com http://www.nfasales.com http://www.classiiidealers.com/ http://www.westernfirearms.com/ http://www.urban-armory.com/ http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/118_NFA_Firearms_andamp__Parts.html Website that tracks machine gun values: http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/ A lot of good advice and sources here. I'll just keep an eye and ear out and have a little patience, and hopefully one will come along. I've always got the cash ready for the right firearm. Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:15:38 PM EDT
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As others have said, you need to be connected locally. People who would sell such things need to know you want to buy such things.
You can do it. I picked one up locally for 4K a few months back but I already knew the owner and had long ago told him I was interested if he ever sold it. Now if I could just get him to let go of the UZI... |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 5:18:18 PM EDT
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You will read a lot about m11/9's being the better choice between that and and a mac 10 in either 9 or 45. But those are older posts, and since then the lage max 10 mk2 has come out. The amount of accessories for each is very similar. So don't let that limit you.
I was in your shoes, and read a lot, and realized I'd be perfectly happy with a mac 10/9 so I grabbed one of those instead for a very good price. Eventually those will climb as well, so nows a good time to grab anything. Even the mac 11's(.380) are climbing now. The macs are higher quality guns than the SWD's (especially the 86 guns). So remember that if you end up paying the dealer prices for one. $6500 is the new starting price at a dealer, but they don't seem to be moving much at that price. Ive seen a few go for 5k recently, but they move within minutes and are rare. Anything less than that is an inside deal. |
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Posted: 8/20/2015 12:27:07 AM EDT
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FA is VERY overrated IMHO I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. |
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Posted: 8/20/2015 1:20:31 AM EDT
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FA is VERY overrated IMHO I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. The more I collect semis, I totally could have had a M11 by now! 
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Posted: 8/20/2015 9:19:20 AM EDT
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I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FA is VERY overrated IMHO I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. Agreed, especially one that is very versatile like an HK or M16. |
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Posted: 8/20/2015 10:00:23 AM EDT
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The more I collect semis, I totally could have had a M11 by now! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FA is VERY overrated IMHO I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. The more I collect semis, I totally could have had a M11 by now! This is my reasoning behind wanting an M11/9, or now possibly an M10 in 9 or 45. I don't need ANOTHER rifle, SBR, suppressor, handgun, shotgun etc. I don't have and want a SMG, and have no doubt it will always bring a smile to my face and will only increase in value over time. |
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Posted: 8/20/2015 1:13:25 PM EDT
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This is my reasoning behind wanting an M11/9, or now possibly an M10 in 9 or 45. I don't need ANOTHER rifle, SBR, suppressor, handgun, shotgun etc. I don't have and want a SMG, and have no doubt it will always bring a smile to my face and will only increase in value over time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FA is VERY overrated IMHO I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. The more I collect semis, I totally could have had a M11 by now! This is my reasoning behind wanting an M11/9, or now possibly an M10 in 9 or 45. I don't need ANOTHER rifle, SBR, suppressor, handgun, shotgun etc. I don't have and want a SMG, and have no doubt it will always bring a smile to my face and will only increase in value over time. Add in the fact that you can compete in subgun matches.....  .
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Posted: 8/20/2015 4:20:10 PM EDT
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This is my reasoning behind wanting an M11/9, or now possibly an M10 in 9 or 45. I don't need ANOTHER rifle, SBR, suppressor, handgun, shotgun etc. I don't have and want a SMG, and have no doubt it will always bring a smile to my face and will only increase in value over time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FA is VERY overrated IMHO I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. The more I collect semis, I totally could have had a M11 by now! This is my reasoning behind wanting an M11/9, or now possibly an M10 in 9 or 45. I don't need ANOTHER rifle, SBR, suppressor, handgun, shotgun etc. I don't have and want a SMG, and have no doubt it will always bring a smile to my face and will only increase in value over time. On no....you got the FEEEEVVVVAAAAAHHHHHHH.....yea I have a "friend," who though he would be good with a Mac 10/9, but now that "friend" also has a Mac11/380 in NFA jail 
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Posted: 8/20/2015 10:33:39 PM EDT
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Just came into my dealer today on the form 3. I sent the form 4 out today too.
RPB Mac 10/9 
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Posted: 8/20/2015 10:48:38 PM EDT
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BUY an FNC!
I think people are NUTS for not buying these up. Scared about extra parts? Then buy an extra semi for 3K, done. The M16 is NOT 3x the gun, and yes I have both a FA FNC and M16A1. Another unbid FNC for 11K on GB. The Mac is pretty much a pile of shit. Mine sits in the safe, it's just a toy. IMHO the LAGE stuff is lipstick on a pig. |
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Posted: 8/21/2015 8:21:15 PM EDT
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I've been looking at MACs quite a bit. I want an M11A1 and have began selling some other stuff off to take the sting out. I'd be interested in a 10, or 11/9, but I want the Lage upper that accepts Suomi drums and Coffin mags. I shot one my last time out (the exact one on the cover of SAR last month
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Posted: 8/21/2015 11:41:24 PM EDT
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I've been looking at MACs quite a bit. I want an M11A1 and have began selling some other stuff off to take the sting out. I'd be interested in a 10, or 11/9, but I want the Lage upper that accepts Suomi drums and Coffin mags. I shot one my last time out (the exact one on the cover of SAR last month ) and the 71rd drums with my Trident9 on the front were awesome.I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics 
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Posted: 8/26/2015 11:52:40 PM EDT
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I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been looking at MACs quite a bit. I want an M11A1 and have began selling some other stuff off to take the sting out. I'd be interested in a 10, or 11/9, but I want the Lage upper that accepts Suomi drums and Coffin mags. I shot one my last time out (the exact one on the cover of SAR last month ) and the 71rd drums with my Trident9 on the front were awesome.I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Very nice! So they make a Suomi upper for that as well? Very good to know. That's my main desire- the 71rd drums. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:15:21 AM EDT
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BUY an FNC! I think people are NUTS for not buying these up. Scared about extra parts? Then buy an extra semi for 3K, done. The M16 is NOT 3x the gun, and yes I have both a FA FNC and M16A1. Another unbid FNC for 11K on GB. The Mac is pretty much a pile of shit. Mine sits in the safe, it's just a toy. IMHO the LAGE stuff is lipstick on a pig. You are of course entitled to your opinion. My opinion is very different. Yeah I see semi auto FNC guns listed for sale everywhere. Not! $3,000 might be market value, but finding a low miles semi FNC to buy doesn't come up for sale every day. At least not that I have seen. A Colt M16 RR is not $33,000, it is more like $22,000. I do think a Colt M16 RR is twice the gun that a FNC with a sear is? I absolutely do and here is why. Is there a Ceiner .22lr kit for a FNC? Not that I have seen. Is there a 9mm conversion for a FNC? Not that I have seen. Is there a 7.62X39, 6.5 Grendel, or other medium caliber rifle conversion for a FNC? Again the answer is not that I have seen. Could it be done? Absolutely, but you won't be making that conversion at the range. Is the FNC a great .223 machinegun? Absolutely. But you are not going to buy a full auto FNC, AK, Uzi, and a Ceiner converted 10/22 for what you can buy that Colt M16 for? But IMHO a Colt M16 RR could go head to head with everyone of those machineguns. If you could a full auto FNC, AK, Uzi, and a Ceiner converted 10/22 for what you can buy that Colt M16 for, that would be the deal of the century. As far as a MAC style RR being "a pile of shit", I was shooting in Garrett's squad at the MI State Subgun Championships two weekends ago. With a modified Lage upper on a M11/9, he smoked a pile of MP5s, M16/9s and Uzis with his "pile of shit/lipstick on a pig" subgun in both iron sights and optics. Again, you of course are entitled to your opinion. But I've seen way too many guys win ISSMC, Knob Creek and other big subgun matches with M11/9 Lage equipped subguns. Is a MAC style RR with a Lage upper my favorite? No, but when that combo won match after match. It would be hard for me to say that those guns are "a pile of shit" when they have been the gun that has won so many matches. YMMV. Scott |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:19:35 AM EDT
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An M16 is truly three times as valuable as an FNC is.
I'm a big fan of the FNC and a past owner. See my avatar? The FNC is a fantastic gun with no spare parts available.  At all.
The M16 is it's own subcategory of guns, practically a dynasty. Literally at the opposite end of the spectrum from an FNC in terms of versatility and parts and accessories. The MAC10s are excellent guns. They were designed to be a low cost gun, and are an excellent design. They only problem they suffer from is being manufactured by 2rd rate low volume gun makers. Once they're tinkered with and some part swaps are done, they run like a top you could not jam my M10, it would go 3000 rounds between jams and it would shoot a 2.5" group at 25 yards if benched |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 3:26:30 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with a Mac.
Wish I bought one when I bought most of my other MGs. They were $500. Oh well, can't win them all. I just got a Lage Mk II for my M10/45. Sweet! |
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Posted: 9/1/2015 6:44:57 PM EDT
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I once read that there are more FNC sears than semi auto rifles to put them in in the U.S. I think it was a bit of hyperbole, but close to the truth.
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Posted: 9/1/2015 9:03:13 PM EDT
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I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been looking at MACs quite a bit. I want an M11A1 and have began selling some other stuff off to take the sting out. I'd be interested in a 10, or 11/9, but I want the Lage upper that accepts Suomi drums and Coffin mags. I shot one my last time out (the exact one on the cover of SAR last month ) and the 71rd drums with my Trident9 on the front were awesome.I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Do you shot it often with the osprey? Is it ever a problem? I just bought almost the exact same set up but with a gemtech viper. I also have a osprey 45 so I was curious. How is the sound? Is the volume ever an issue? |
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Posted: 9/2/2015 10:19:20 AM EDT
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I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been looking at MACs quite a bit. I want an M11A1 and have began selling some other stuff off to take the sting out. I'd be interested in a 10, or 11/9, but I want the Lage upper that accepts Suomi drums and Coffin mags. I shot one my last time out (the exact one on the cover of SAR last month ) and the 71rd drums with my Trident9 on the front were awesome.I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Fun looking gun, makes we want to get a Mac |
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Posted: 9/5/2015 1:55:00 AM EDT
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I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FA is VERY overrated IMHO I disagree. FA is awesome. I would rather have one full auto than a fleet of semi autos. Agreed. Most FA have the option of semi, soooo..... |
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Posted: 9/6/2015 9:11:15 AM EDT
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I think when the first few batches of the new ones came out it was around 5k...but Im sure it keeps going up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I saw the thread here where a forum member picked up a M11/9 for a crazy good price (sub 4K), but I cannot find one available for purchase less than $6,500. Is this the going rate now. What's the going rate for a decent M11/9 shooter? I've got plenty of SBR's and suppressors, and feel like I'd really like to kick things up a notch and get an entry level SMG. Any leads would be greatly appreciated! I think when the first few batches of the new ones came out it was around 5k...but Im sure it keeps going up. What! When these hit the market way back when they were in the hundreds, not thousands. |
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Posted: 9/15/2015 5:24:37 PM EDT
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This thread is of interest to me.Im looking locally in Southwest MO for a Mac 10 or M11. Honestly I see the options for the M11 are nice but really like the look and solid build of the stock M10s. May have a lead on one local for sub 5K. Whats the current consensus on caliber conversions for M10 in .45 to 9mm or .22. Are there quality kits available and do they work?
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Posted: 9/17/2015 7:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $6500?? Man, it'd be hard not to sell at that price. FA is VERY overrated IMHO No kidding, I would have a really hard time turning down someone who offered $6500 for mine. But overrated or not, I really like mine and am glad I bought it. The value just keeps going up and up and up... |
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Posted: 9/17/2015 7:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've been looking at MACs quite a bit. I want an M11A1 and have began selling some other stuff off to take the sting out. I'd be interested in a 10, or 11/9, but I want the Lage upper that accepts Suomi drums and Coffin mags. I shot one my last time out (the exact one on the cover of SAR last month ) and the 71rd drums with my Trident9 on the front were awesome.I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Very nice. I'm planning on selling my original MAX-11 upper to get that one. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 7:25:13 AM EDT
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Bought my M11 earlier this year (February) brand new unfired in the box for $5,200 on Sturm. Since then it looks like they have gone up in just a short period of time. I love this thing and is extremely reliable with the Lage upper. Next will be a FNC or RR M16.
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Posted: 9/18/2015 7:27:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bought my M11 earlier this year (February) brand new unfired in the box for $5,200 on Sturm. Since then it looks like they have gone up in just a short period of time. I love this thing and is extremely reliable with the Lage upper. Next will be a FNC or RR M16. http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0302.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0304.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0299.jpg Great lil gun. are you going to replace the stock? |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 8:06:40 AM EDT
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Bought my M11 earlier this year (February) brand new unfired in the box for $5,200 on Sturm. Since then it looks like they have gone up in just a short period of time. I love this thing and is extremely reliable with the Lage upper. Next will be a FNC or RR M16. http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0302.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0304.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0299.jpg Great lil gun. are you going to replace the stock? Thank you! The Lage stock I ordered along with the upper is backordered. It will have a folding device as well. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 8:43:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you! The Lage stock I ordered along with the upper is backordered. It will have a folding device as well. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bought my M11 earlier this year (February) brand new unfired in the box for $5,200 on Sturm. Since then it looks like they have gone up in just a short period of time. I love this thing and is extremely reliable with the Lage upper. Next will be a FNC or RR M16. http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0302.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0304.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0299.jpg Great lil gun. are you going to replace the stock? Thank you! The Lage stock I ordered along with the upper is backordered. It will have a folding device as well. |
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Posted: 9/18/2015 1:24:36 PM EDT
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I once read that there are more FNC sears than semi auto rifles to put them in in the U.S. I think it was a bit of hyperbole, but close to the truth. I don't think so FNC sears have dried up off the market but the hosts have not I think that the number of FNC sears is less than 3,600 based on the serial numbers It's said that there are 7,000 FNC hosts in the USA |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 1:24:10 PM EDT
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This thread is of interest to me.Im looking locally in Southwest MO for a Mac 10 or M11. Honestly I see the options for the M11 are nice but really like the look and solid build of the stock M10s. May have a lead on one local for sub 5K. Whats the current consensus on caliber conversions for M10 in .45 to 9mm or .22. Are there quality kits available and do they work? In my opinion you should buy a m11/9 or a different gun altogether. The m11/9 is the most versatile with 'stock .22', MAX-11, 'MAX-11 .22', and MAX-31. I own a m11/9 and had the Lage MAX-11 mk1 and then shot my brother's MAX-31 mk1...shortly thereafter I sold the MAX-11 and picked up a MAX-31 mk2. Drums and coffin mags make it a really fun gun. 
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Posted: 9/21/2015 9:11:44 PM EDT
[#38]
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I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been looking at MACs quite a bit. I want an M11A1 and have began selling some other stuff off to take the sting out. I'd be interested in a 10, or 11/9, but I want the Lage upper that accepts Suomi drums and Coffin mags. I shot one my last time out (the exact one on the cover of SAR last month ) and the 71rd drums with my Trident9 on the front were awesome.I prefer the m11/nine for all the Lage stuff you can get for it. Great little smg and at 750 rpm and a tad over 5lbs it is really a great weapon. Lage just put out the max11k. Super small and just awesome! You can also get the max31 for Suomi coffin mags and drums or the shockwave mags are 30 or 50 rds and they run awesome. Add that with a .22 kit that works awesome and you're really hard pressed to find a MG with this much versatility. Here are some pics http://i59.tinypic.com/2m2esz4.jpg http://i58.tinypic.com/34ffi0z.jpg http://i59.tinypic.com/23vhg8.jpg What stock is that? I like it. Nevermind, found it on Lage. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 10:40:44 PM EDT
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I do see the advantage of the modularity of the m11 but it seems the M10 seem to be more reliable stock from what I gather. Its hard to get some first hand info on these guns so I appreciate your input. If i knew the m10 9mm conversions were reliable I would be very tempted to get that over the m11 especially now that there are large m10 uppers. Can late 9mm M10 uppers be used on .45 M10s?
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:28:44 PM EDT
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I started with an m11/9, so I'm a little biased. I saw the Lage uppers and how they converted a not so great mg into an AMAZING mg. The max 11, max 11/22, and max 31 are all stellar. For my next, I was up in the air about an HK sear or an M16. I eventually decided on an M16 (conversion). I figured that I was going to be 3k into every clone host on top of the cost of the sear, and the rifle caliber M16 gave me FA in most every caliber I like to shoot (5.56, x39, and a 22 upper). Also, the availability of parts vs the more expensive German HK parts made me choose the RR M16. I may eventually get an HK sear, but it's not high on my list now.
As for FA vs semi, I wouldn't sell my MGs for more semi, but I'd sell my semis for more MGs. They can do semi as well.... |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:08:55 AM EDT
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I do see the advantage of the modularity of the m11 but it seems the M10 seem to be more reliable stock from what I gather. Its hard to get some first hand info on these guns so I appreciate your input. If i knew the m10 9mm conversions were reliable I would be very tempted to get that over the m11 especially now that there are large m10 uppers. Can late 9mm M10 uppers be used on .45 M10s? I have no idea about the m10. I would suggest uzitalk for that info (is that site allowed to be mentioned?). I have replaced every piece of my m11 with the Lage substitute (as cheap as that it, why not?). As far as first hand experience with an m11 - if you make it to the St. Louis area you can shoot mine until your heart is content (you have to provide the factory ammo, though  ).
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Posted: 9/22/2015 9:20:53 AM EDT
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Thanks. I will probably start with the M11 as there is another member in my town potentially selling his and I am going to try to contact him through some mutual friends this week. Im just really liking the old school look of the Mac10 with sionics can. Too many movies I guess.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 3:54:44 PM EDT
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I've been looking at an M11 for my first MG and I just have to ask, how is the grip angle? From the pictures it looks like it would be uncomfortable to hold something that isn't angled like a modern handgun or an AR pistol grip. Could any owners chime in?
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Posted: 9/22/2015 3:57:21 PM EDT
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I've been looking at an M11 for my first MG and I just have to ask, how is the grip angle? From the pictures it looks like it would be uncomfortable to hold something that isn't angled like a modern handgun or an AR pistol grip. Could any owners chime in? It's chunky and angular but I do not find it uncomfortable, more awkward. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 6:31:59 PM EDT
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Thanks. I will probably start with the M11 as there is another member in my town potentially selling his and I am going to try to contact him through some mutual friends this week. Im just really liking the old school look of the Mac10 with sionics can. Too many movies I guess. That's one of the reasons I chose an m10/9 over the m11/9. I also like the bulky, stumpy look of the lage max10 mk2 over the max11. There is more history to the mac10 like you said. Honestly it's really based on who you talk to and which one they have. There are a lot more m11/9's than m10's, so you will always hear more about them because there are more owners. if a good deal comes along for either I'd take it, but id still lean more towards the m10/9( I have no desire to shoot FA 45 ). Good luck in the search!
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Posted: 9/28/2015 12:10:50 AM EDT
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They are out there.
A dealer picked up the m11 .380 for 2k at a show in Albany Oregon. They are out there. |
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Posted: 9/28/2015 11:10:04 AM EDT
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Bought my M11 earlier this year (February) brand new unfired in the box for $5,200 on Sturm. Since then it looks like they have gone up in just a short period of time. I love this thing and is extremely reliable with the Lage upper. Next will be a FNC or RR M16. http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0302.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0304.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0299.jpg How are you liking that mk2 upper on the M11/9? I'm tempted to get put on the list. |
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Posted: 10/18/2015 11:28:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bought my M11 earlier this year (February) brand new unfired in the box for $5,200 on Sturm. Since then it looks like they have gone up in just a short period of time. I love this thing and is extremely reliable with the Lage upper. Next will be a FNC or RR M16. http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0302.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0304.jpg http://i1102.photobucket.com/albums/g459/chad_lawton1/DSCN0299.jpg Ahhhh... And I thought I was the only genius who got those CZ sights on a MAC. First pair of irons I've had that put the bullet where it is supposed to go.  |
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Posted: 10/19/2015 6:31:19 AM EDT
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One sold rather quickly on another firearm forum with several mags a couple weeks ago for $5250.
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Posted: 10/19/2015 6:03:05 PM EDT
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BUY an FNC! I think people are NUTS for not buying these up. Scared about extra parts? Then buy an extra semi for 3K, done... The Mac is pretty much a pile of shit. Mine sits in the safe, it's just a toy. IMHO the LAGE stuff is lipstick on a pig. Different guns for different purposes. That's a little like saying your Willys Jeep stays in the garage all the time because it doesn't drag race as well as your Corvette. FWIW, I would love to buy an FNC. And I've thought about selling a couple of my subguns to get an M16 clone. But at the end of the day, the FNC would stay in the safe and the M16 would be run in 9mm 95% of the time. A rifle-caliber MG would get pulled out once in a while to shoot dirt clods, and to let other people play with. I can shoot a pistol-caliber subgun in various competitions around the state / country. I am not aware of many competitions where I could use a machine gun. But that's where my interests are. Other people have different priorities. And that's okay too. |
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