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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:08:13 PM EDT
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Well, it's not like the Feds don't know already.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:11:46 PM EDT
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I do it with mine but I dont upload to the cloud. Directly on the phone.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:16:24 PM EDT
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Google Drive
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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:22:10 PM EDT
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I just made copies and keep a set in my car's glove box. Anywhere I am, my car is. So, they're always nearby.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:35:46 PM EDT
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I scan all mine and keep a copy on my iPad. Local only. Of course I also keep them on a flash drive in a safe.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:46:47 PM EDT
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iBooks (on an iDevice) works well for me. Easy to use, easy to arrange. Available offline. I can display them as a list, or as thumbnails. I named each file with Form type and SN.
Here's a sample showing the two ways to display them: 
I'm sure there are a multiple of other apps that work just as well. I also keep suppressor manuals and other documents with me that way. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 8:10:31 PM EDT
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iBooks (on an iDevice) works well for me. Easy to use, easy to arrange. Available offline. I can display them as a list, or as thumbnails. I named each file with Form type and SN. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 8:31:12 PM EDT
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I do on the phone also.
I like to like to look at them from time to time. Money gone. 
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Posted: 5/27/2017 9:56:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:30:00 PM EDT
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PDFs on Dropbox - cached on the phone.
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:34:49 PM EDT
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iBooks (on an iDevice) works well for me. Easy to use, easy to arrange. Available offline. I can display them as a list, or as thumbnails. I named each file with Form type and SN. Here's a sample showing the two ways to display them: http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx151/thegreghorton/Mobile%20Uploads/4247538E-FE08-4423-A6AD-B9E950794FC1_zpsweit3pvx.jpg http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx151/thegreghorton/Mobile%20Uploads/F858445E-BC14-47E6-B251-D68556A99818_zpstnljkr5y.png I'm sure there are a multiple of other apps that work just as well. I also keep suppressor manuals and other documents with me that way. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:37:40 PM EDT
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I do.
Copies in the pistol grips too. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 11:24:24 PM EDT
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Paper copies in a binder as a primary. Google drive as a backup.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 8:17:30 AM EDT
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I keep PDF copies and can view them in Adobe on my phone.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 9:41:47 AM EDT
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I keep stamps and trust on the Dropbox app with a thumbprint protected lock and they are available for offline use.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 10:35:39 AM EDT
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Yep, in addition to copies of my Trust documents within the AES-256 bit security of the oneSafe app on my iPhone and iPad. I also have photos of the cans and S/N's as well as my non-NFA firearms.
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Posted: 5/28/2017 10:53:23 AM EDT
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I do
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Posted: 5/28/2017 11:57:17 AM EDT
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I only carry them on my phone, not on paper
If an electronic copy is good enough to send me, it is good enough for me to show LEO if I have to. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 12:08:12 PM EDT
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Copies reduced to 1/4 page, laminated in my truck. Pics on the phone.
Never once been asked to see them except at a range... because "the ATF will shut them down for having a suppressor on the premises without accompanying proof of registration." 
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Posted: 5/28/2017 4:27:56 PM EDT
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Originals in a Safe Deposit Box at the bank. Copies in a 3 ring binder in clear plastic sheetprotectors.
No copies on computer or digital media storage devices or the cloud. |
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Posted: 5/28/2017 6:51:18 PM EDT
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iBooks (on an iDevice) works well for me. Easy to use, easy to arrange. Available offline. I can display them as a list, or as thumbnails. I named each file with Form type and SN. Here's a sample showing the two ways to display them: http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx151/thegreghorton/Mobile%20Uploads/4247538E-FE08-4423-A6AD-B9E950794FC1_zpsweit3pvx.jpg http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx151/thegreghorton/Mobile%20Uploads/F858445E-BC14-47E6-B251-D68556A99818_zpstnljkr5y.png I'm sure there are a multiple of other apps that work just as well. I also keep suppressor manuals and other documents with me that way. |
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Posted: 5/30/2017 11:52:34 PM EDT
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That's what I do. Have it on my iPad and iPhone. and manuals for each suppressor. |
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Posted: 6/15/2017 3:51:51 PM EDT
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Load them as PDFs
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Posted: 6/16/2017 12:12:59 AM EDT
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i keep pdf scanned (only have 2 efiiles) copies in my dropbox account and directly on my phone and tablet
fed's have 'em so i keep them around for any locals who get noesy and i use my tablet on my workbench so it's nice to be able to pull up what the baffle stack profiles are for various types (salvo/octane/deadair) |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 12:29:48 AM EDT
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Paper copies.
Why would you hand your phone to law enforcement without a warrant? |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:39:50 AM EDT
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Google Drive |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 12:57:09 PM EDT
[#27]
Yep, all my forms are in ibooks and synced between ipad and iphone
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Posted: 6/16/2017 2:03:21 PM EDT
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Paper copies. Why would you hand your phone to law enforcement without a warrant?  To avoid going to jail! Did I get it right? Because it's illegal to have an item that's regulated by the NFA if it isn't registered to you, and if the cop is asking about it then he's already seen it. And if he's already seen it, HE DOESN'T NEED A WARRANT.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 3:41:33 PM EDT
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Oh damn, I don't know...hmm...let me think... To avoid going to jail! Did I get it right? Because it's illegal to have an item that's regulated by the NFA if it isn't registered to you, and if the cop is asking about it then he's already seen it. And if he's already seen it, HE DOESN'T NEED A WARRANT.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Paper copies. Why would you hand your phone to law enforcement without a warrant? To avoid going to jail! Did I get it right? Because it's illegal to have an item that's regulated by the NFA if it isn't registered to you, and if the cop is asking about it then he's already seen it. And if he's already seen it, HE DOESN'T NEED A WARRANT. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 4:09:11 PM EDT
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To be fair, I think the point was giving LE access to whatever else might be on your phone.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Paper copies. Why would you hand your phone to law enforcement without a warrant? To avoid going to jail! Did I get it right? Because it's illegal to have an item that's regulated by the NFA if it isn't registered to you, and if the cop is asking about it then he's already seen it. And if he's already seen it, HE DOESN'T NEED A WARRANT.That doesn't grant permission to look at anything else. Also, hold onto the phone yourself if the next picture in your phone is of you triumphantly holding the murder weapon. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:41:36 PM EDT
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To be fair, I think the point was giving LE access to whatever else might be on your phone.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Paper copies. Why would you hand your phone to law enforcement without a warrant? To avoid going to jail! Did I get it right? Because it's illegal to have an item that's regulated by the NFA if it isn't registered to you, and if the cop is asking about it then he's already seen it. And if he's already seen it, HE DOESN'T NEED A WARRANT.Paper is cheap and you can tuck a copy into your glovebox, rifle case, ammo can, or wherever. Or all of those places. Do I keep copies of my Forms 1 in my email? Yes, that's how I received them from the ATF. Can I access them from my phone? Yes, but nobody else needs to. Paper copies are just fine. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:46:58 PM EDT
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I need to put them in their own folder so I can find them easier.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 5:50:35 PM EDT
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Exactly. This guy gets it. It doesn't matter that I don't have anything to hide. I don't need them around my personal communications, web browsing history, or pictures. I certainly don't want an officer taking my phone back to his patrol car so he can call in my Form 1. Paper is cheap and you can tuck a copy into your glovebox, rifle case, ammo can, or wherever. Or all of those places. Do I keep copies of my Forms 1 in my email? Yes, that's how I received them from the ATF. Can I access them from my phone? Yes, but nobody else needs to. Paper copies are just fine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Paper copies. Why would you hand your phone to law enforcement without a warrant? To avoid going to jail! Did I get it right? Because it's illegal to have an item that's regulated by the NFA if it isn't registered to you, and if the cop is asking about it then he's already seen it. And if he's already seen it, HE DOESN'T NEED A WARRANT.Paper is cheap and you can tuck a copy into your glovebox, rifle case, ammo can, or wherever. Or all of those places. Do I keep copies of my Forms 1 in my email? Yes, that's how I received them from the ATF. Can I access them from my phone? Yes, but nobody else needs to. Paper copies are just fine. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 6:35:20 PM EDT
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If you're showing the PO your tax stamp on your phone, I doubt they're going to start browsing and searching for your hidden kiddy porn stash or latest dope deal. Take off the tin foil hats people.
Or maybe that's how daddy diddler red jacket got caught
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Posted: 6/16/2017 7:59:26 PM EDT
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I've been looking for solution to the phone problem. Personally, I think having to carry around a binder all the time is really stupid.
On android phones, if you root it, I believe there is a way to have certain apps accessible from the lock screen. If set up correctly, you could hand the cop your locked phone, and he could see the pdf's and nothing else. |
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Posted: 6/16/2017 9:52:16 PM EDT
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Yes, ive got them as PDFs. But hard copy in bag for the one I carry away from home. Btw, hand them the phone and legally they can look at anything on it. Without a warrant. Anything, and anything they can get to thru your phone. If you are storing passwords for some of your apps like FaceTime then you could be opening yourself up to other charge. Hard copy for the nice officer!
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Posted: 6/16/2017 10:29:49 PM EDT
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Password protected Thumb drive attached to my key ring.
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Posted: 6/16/2017 10:39:01 PM EDT
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Private FB image gallery.
Flame on. |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 8:21:27 AM EDT
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You literally read none of my post. |
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Posted: 6/17/2017 3:23:47 PM EDT
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You dont need to hand your phone to a law enforecement agent. They can look at it and you can lock it with a flip of the off button. If they need to take it back to a patrol car, decline and offer to email it to them, text, or arrange other means explaining your phone has personal information and you wont be allowing it out of your control. This seriously is not an issue of law enforcement getting into your personal shit. Take off the tin foil hat
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Posted: 6/17/2017 3:45:06 PM EDT
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No, I read every bit of that naive nonsense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You literally read none of my post. You can grant specific permission of what a police officer can search. You don't seem to know that, since you're naive and all. I'm also not a paranoid lunatic, so if a cop is asking for proof of registration for something he has prima facie evidence to believe is illegal, I'm going to show it to him. On my phone. And grant him permission to see the form, not go on a fishing expedition. FFS some of you people need to stay out of NFA if you're this paranoid and ignorant of the law. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 3:09:41 AM EDT
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If I'm the cop conducting the stop, and you give me consent to search everywhere except your lunchbox, then I cannot execute a consensual search of your lunchbox. You may also revoke consent at any time. This equally applies to cell phones. If I decide probable cause exists, and arrest you, then I can search everything on/about your person, which is termed SITA (search incident to arrest). No warrant required. In many states/localities, there are firearms regulations referencing the federal NFA regulations, which make it illegal to possess NFA firearms unless properly registered with ATF. If a local cop makes an arrest based on such a regulation, he's enforcing a law under his authority, not federal authority. You aren't required to show him any ATF forms, but he might arrest you because he doesn't see them, but does see a MG or whatever. Fortunately, such local "copycat" laws are tending to go away now, and many law enforcement officers are not particularly concerned with what firearms you may have if you aren't behaving foolishly. Many could not knowledgeably investigate an ATF form (or converted MG) anyway. So carry your forms however you want. I can't think of any risk from cloud-based storage. I'd want them locally on the device, and physical paper, because devices can fail. Paper can also get damaged/lost, so redundancy is good. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 4:10:58 AM EDT
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If a cop is sufficiently ignorant of NFA regs that he would hassle you at the range then he won't understand what he is looking at anyway. Do you think a pdf on a 4in screen will change his mind and he'll walk away?
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Posted: 6/18/2017 5:22:08 AM EDT
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Oh, I'm naive? Right, so what's your law enforcement experience? You can grant specific permission of what a police officer can search. You don't seem to know that, since you're naive and all. I'm also not a paranoid lunatic, so if a cop is asking for proof of registration for something he has prima facie evidence to believe is illegal, I'm going to show it to him. On my phone. And grant him permission to see the form, not go on a fishing expedition. FFS some of you people need to stay out of NFA if you're this paranoid and ignorant of the law. Most of us aren't paranoid or ignorant of the law, just of the few bad apples who think they are above it. Paper works just fine, whether it's a Form 1, 4, or 20. Same with car insurance, registration, fishing license, etc. Why put yourself in that position to begin with? Be smart - passcode and encrypt your phone. What is that old saying? You might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride. But do what makes you happy. That's what liberty is about. 
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Posted: 6/18/2017 9:22:41 AM EDT
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Friend, once you hand over your phone, it's out of your control. Are you going to force him to give it back? Argue the Supreme Court said he can't do that? Most of us aren't paranoid or ignorant of the law, just of the few bad apples who think they are above it. Paper works just fine, whether it's a Form 1, 4, or 20. Same with car insurance, registration, fishing license, etc. Why put yourself in that position to begin with? Be smart - passcode and encrypt your phone. What is that old saying? You might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride. But do what makes you happy. That's what liberty is about. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, I'm naive? Right, so what's your law enforcement experience? You can grant specific permission of what a police officer can search. You don't seem to know that, since you're naive and all. I'm also not a paranoid lunatic, so if a cop is asking for proof of registration for something he has prima facie evidence to believe is illegal, I'm going to show it to him. On my phone. And grant him permission to see the form, not go on a fishing expedition. FFS some of you people need to stay out of NFA if you're this paranoid and ignorant of the law. Most of us aren't paranoid or ignorant of the law, just of the few bad apples who think they are above it. Paper works just fine, whether it's a Form 1, 4, or 20. Same with car insurance, registration, fishing license, etc. Why put yourself in that position to begin with? Be smart - passcode and encrypt your phone. What is that old saying? You might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride. But do what makes you happy. That's what liberty is about. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 10:48:31 AM EDT
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I have copies scanned and can access them remotely if necessary but I keep 50% copies (1/4 page) laminated in my range bag. Small enough to be convenient but large enough to be legible
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Posted: 6/18/2017 11:44:22 AM EDT
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Paper works just fine, whether it's a Form 1, 4, or 20. Same with car insurance, registration, fishing license, etc. I had tiny copies of my forms at one point but after realizing one of them went AWOL, I stopped the practice. YMMV, IANAL, DWYW, etc.... |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 12:31:13 PM EDT
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Oh, I'm naive? Right, so what's your law enforcement experience? You can grant specific permission of what a police officer can search. You don't seem to know that, since you're naive and all. I'm also not a paranoid lunatic, so if a cop is asking for proof of registration for something he has prima facie evidence to believe is illegal, I'm going to show it to him. On my phone. And grant him permission to see the form, not go on a fishing expedition. FFS some of you people need to stay out of NFA if you're this paranoid and ignorant of the law. Quite frankly everything with how the police work in this country needs to be revamped to protect citizens AND police more. When I say citizens I mean normal citizens. Not those who choose to act like savages. I couldn't care less how cops treat them. More power to them in fact. |
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Posted: 6/18/2017 1:09:43 PM EDT
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Great idea. I store a picture of my Drivers license and insurance cards.
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Posted: 7/23/2017 4:04:50 PM EDT
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I have the Key Ring app on my iphone. It's mainly for store cards, however, you can put any card you want into it. I keep all my cards in it. Photo <front/back> From store cards to NRA membership card, to library card, CPL, etc. It's a great back up. Should be able to store approved stamps also.
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