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Posted: 4/21/2017 9:55:51 PM EDT
Just in case guys and gals...
About time I don't have one, but I know lots of folks here were asking. |
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[#1]
I guess Im glad to see its available but no way am I paying $145 plus shipping to swap the booster housing that I currently have for one with wrench compatibility.
Eta: nevermind the fact I cant remove it to send for the swap without those wrench flats anyways |
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[#3]
I wonder if the Griffin Armament $200 promotion could be used for that though?
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[#4]
Paying for this "fix" irks me worse than a poorly designed can that's not reconfigureable without a vice. I'll keep mine married to a 3 lug mount and buy a silencerco for a K can.
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[#6]
Is the only thing the $145 gets you the ability to use the wrench? Does it upgrade a gen 1 to allow use on 556 like the gen 2?
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[#7]
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Paying for this "fix" irks me worse than a poorly designed can that's not reconfigureable without a vice. I'll keep mine married to a 3 lug mount and buy a silencerco for a K can. View Quote |
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In their defense, it was clear that there were no wrench-compatible notches from the start. That made me shy away from the Revolution in the first place. As a new feature, it makes the can MUCH more appealing to me. I may bet the Revolution 45 now with a 3-lug for dedicated use on two of my 45 carbines. View Quote |
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That's not really a defense. At 1.375" diameter, an AR castle nut wrench is perfect. View Quote |
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They did not make the first run with the wrench cuts, nor did they advertise you were getting them... so you got what you thought you were going to get and what you paid for. You don't buy a 2014 F-150 and expect them to upgrade it to 2017 standards for free. View Quote I am no engineer and found out about this issue within the very first time I was trying to decide which length I wanted it to be in for my use. Its clear upon disassembly that without being able to hold onto certain parts how the heck can you seperate them. Anyways the can itself is great in K length and will just stay that way for my needs. So thank you for offering the service but the price is high enough that it turns me off from purchasing anything further from them due to similar unforeseen issues arising in the future. |
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[#13]
They made a big deal about this can being modular and it turned out to be less modular than it appeared...
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In their defense, it was clear that there were no wrench-compatible notches from the start. That made me shy away from the Revolution in the first place. As a new feature, it makes the can MUCH more appealing to me. I may bet the Revolution 45 now with a 3-lug for dedicated use on two of my 45 carbines. View Quote |
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Come on man. I have one and do like it but the point remains that we didnt buy a prototype we bought a product advertised as being modular. So as a customer you assume it will work as advertised like it should. I am no engineer and found out about this issue within the very first time I was trying to decide which length I wanted it to be in for my use. Its clear upon disassembly that without being able to hold onto certain parts how the heck can you seperate them. Anyways the can itself is great in K length and will just stay that way for my needs. So thank you for offering the service but the price is high enough that it turns me off from purchasing anything further from them due to similar unforeseen issues arising in the future. View Quote I own the Octane which has a similar piston housing configuration and the housing doesn't come out either, unless you use heat. Where Griffin probably made the mistake with you and others is that they made it sound easy to change them out. It's not. I knew this, though I had to dig a little to find out. Configuring the Revolution 9mm Sound Suppressor |
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If I knew what you knew, I wouldn't buy this can. So it was my mistake. This can was the first and also the last from Griffin. View Quote |
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They did not make the first run with the wrench cuts, nor did they advertise you were getting them... so you got what you thought you were going to get and what you paid for. You don't buy a 2014 F-150 and expect them to upgrade it to 2017 standards for free. View Quote While the rest of the logic might be true if it was simply the addition of a feature, it falls apart when the issue is a defect. If it was advertised as a modular can, then it should have a reasonable way to disassemble it that doesn't involve damaging of the product, but it did not. That is a defect. When a car has a defect, auto manufacturers will generally fix the issue in present and future models of the car, but then issue recalls for previous years that were effected. Griffin could offer other things short of a free replacement that would stratify customers. This could be modification of the existing housing, or offering the upgrade at a much lower cost. It's their screw up, the customer should not be paying for it. |
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In the silencer market products are continuously improved until they are replaced with different models at a lot of companies because this is a competitive market that is constantly changing. You don't get a fifth generation product when you buy a first generation product. Often there is no option to upgrade a product. At AAC there were almost a decade of 18Tooth M4-2000's sold in several different revisions before a single customer had a 51 tooth can. Then a lot of customers complained about 51T mounts and a 91T mount model was released. I bought a personal use 18 tooth can in 2005 that I waited 13 months to ship on a form 3 to get to the form 4 and had to modify 2 of 3 mounts on a lathe because they were SCAR contract over-runs with tapered thread shoulders, and wouldn't properly interface barrels. 2 of those 3 mounts were one click loose at all times. At Silencer Co, the Sakers featured a mount that apparently hundreds of end users have had false positives with and shot the cans down range - some of them multiple times- and no design modifications I'm aware of occurred to my knowledge. Several generations of buyers bought the cans and now the mount appears to be in the process of being or has been phased out.
One of the company vehicles is a 2008 town and country van. It gets 15 miles to the gallon. One of the sales guys has the exact same model and engine vehicle in a 2015? and it gets ~24 miles per gallon. I'm not really surprised. Technology changed. Chrysler made an ECO mode for an almost identical van in the same body style with a modified version of the same engine. We since bought a 2016 Mercedes Sprinter- we drove it for a few tanks and realized it requires Diesel exhaust fluid or the computer will shut it off, and none of the gas stations have DEF pumps yet. Really annoying to have to go buy jugs of DEF to pour into an under the hood tank in a fashion reminiscent to a coolant leak engineered into a brand new vehicle. When we released the Revolution series silencers, there were no modular silencers. It was a new concept that hadn't been thought of yet. A lot of customers didn't use loctite at all and were mechanically minded and had no problems at all. Our use recommendations are always related to what will minimize the customers risk of baffle strikes and damage to the suppressor. The thread sealant reduced the risk of loose components and kept hundreds of silencer end users from issues. The current model Revolution silencer reaching the market is the best Revolution silencer yet. It features a billet 7075-T6 tube. You can fire some centerfire rifle cartridges through it in a third configuration. It has tools and geometry the original model did not have. There is a re-useable thread sealant used to allow the can to be broken down and reconfigured with greater ease. There is an end baffle and a modified end cap (since the rev 2) and the cans are more quiet. It reflects the fact that other companies came out with modular clones and we had to revisit the drawing board to keep the silencer market leading. |
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Another valid point was that the revolution was typically more affordable than competing non modular suppressors. The functions did not cost additional money to the customer.
The current latest model essentially is a sportsman (hunting use centerfire lightweight) and a modular pistol silencer. The 7075 tube alone is a good reason to buy a revolution. |
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[#20]
I don't understand comparing the gen 1 rev 9 to a new model car. I have a liberty mystic and never once thought or said that they should offer an upgrade for free once the mystic X came out. Just offering the service was a nice option to see for gen 1 users, however I don't think this is the same thing. My mystic did what it said it could do.
Am I to believe because it was the first modular can we shouldn't have expected it to be modular, and if we were mechanically inclined we wouldn't have followed the manufacturer's instructions to apply red loctite? Really? Ok, I'll accept all of the above. Now, how do I send in the booster housing only when I can't separate it from the tube? |
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At Silencer Co, the Sakers featured a mount that apparently hundreds of end users have had false positives with and shot the cans down range - some of them multiple times- and no design modifications I'm aware of occurred to my knowledge. Several generations of buyers bought the cans and now the mount appears to be in the process of being or has been phased out. View Quote FWIW, SilencerCo may not have made design modifications to the Trifecta mount, but they are still taking care of their users by offering a no-cost exchange for Trifecta mounts to ASR mounts as well as exchanging all muzzle devices free-of-charge. When SilencerCo ECO'ed the stainless sleeve surrounding the birdcage in the Octane to the petal design, they upgraded users for free. When they upgraded the Omega ASR mount to increase the length due to fouling, they exchanged old mounts with new mounts for free. Not trying to white knight for SilencerCo, but they are taking care of their customers as they make design modifications. You guys are making design changes/upgrades and deciding on how those changes/upgrades are implemented in the field including the cost. In general, nobody expects to receive upgrades for free although there is some expectation of the manufacturer taking care of the customer when FCOs restore basic functionality of the product. |
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FWIW, SilencerCo may not have made design modifications to the Trifecta mount, but they are still taking care of their users by offering a no-cost exchange for Trifecta mounts to ASR mounts as well as exchanging all muzzle devices free-of-charge. When SilencerCo ECO'ed the stainless sleeve surrounding the birdcage in the Octane to the petal design, they upgraded users for free. When they upgraded the Omega ASR mount to increase the length due to fouling, they exchanged old mounts with new mounts for free. Not trying to white knight for SilencerCo, but they are taking care of their customers as they make design modifications. You guys are making design changes/upgrades and deciding on how those changes/upgrades are implemented in the field including the cost. In general, nobody expects to receive upgrades for free although there is some expectation of the manufacturer taking care of the customer when FCOs restore basic functionality of the product. View Quote |
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[#23]
so instead of giving a response geared towards the problem this thread is about you would rather deflect and bring up other companies past or current issues that have either been taken care of or are of no similarity.
Nobody is asking for anything for free here but really $150? |
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In the silencer market products are continuously improved until they are replaced with different models at a lot of companies because this is a competitive market that is constantly changing. You don't get a fifth generation product when you buy a first generation product. Often there is no option to upgrade a product. At AAC there were almost a decade of 18Tooth M4-2000's sold in several different revisions before a single customer had a 51 tooth can. Then a lot of customers complained about 51T mounts and a 91T mount model was released. I bought a personal use 18 tooth can in 2005 that I waited 13 months to ship on a form 3 to get to the form 4 and had to modify 2 of 3 mounts on a lathe because they were SCAR contract over-runs with tapered thread shoulders, and wouldn't properly interface barrels. 2 of those 3 mounts were one click loose at all times. At Silencer Co, the Sakers featured a mount that apparently hundreds of end users have had false positives with and shot the cans down range - some of them multiple times- and no design modifications I'm aware of occurred to my knowledge. Several generations of buyers bought the cans and now the mount appears to be in the process of being or has been phased out. One of the company vehicles is a 2008 town and country van. It gets 15 miles to the gallon. One of the sales guys has the exact same model and engine vehicle in a 2015? and it gets ~24 miles per gallon. I'm not really surprised. Technology changed. Chrysler made an ECO mode for an almost identical van in the same body style with a modified version of the same engine. We since bought a 2016 Mercedes Sprinter- we drove it for a few tanks and realized it requires Diesel exhaust fluid or the computer will shut it off, and none of the gas stations have DEF pumps yet. Really annoying to have to go buy jugs of DEF to pour into an under the hood tank in a fashion reminiscent to a coolant leak engineered into a brand new vehicle. When we released the Revolution series silencers, there were no modular silencers. It was a new concept that hadn't been thought of yet. A lot of customers didn't use loctite at all and were mechanically minded and had no problems at all. Our use recommendations are always related to what will minimize the customers risk of baffle strikes and damage to the suppressor. The thread sealant reduced the risk of loose components and kept hundreds of silencer end users from issues. The current model Revolution silencer reaching the market is the best Revolution silencer yet. It features a billet 7075-T6 tube. You can fire some centerfire rifle cartridges through it in a third configuration. It has tools and geometry the original model did not have. There is a re-useable thread sealant used to allow the can to be broken down and reconfigured with greater ease. There is an end baffle and a modified end cap (since the rev 2) and the cans are more quiet. It reflects the fact that other companies came out with modular clones and we had to revisit the drawing board to keep the silencer market leading. View Quote The crux of the problem is there are members here have had problems removing the part since there are no tools to use. You guys should know more about the design, tools to remove parts, than the average users here. Please don't shift the blame on us for your engineer's lack of experience. |
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FWIW, SilencerCo may not have made design modifications to the Trifecta mount, but they are still taking care of their users by offering a no-cost exchange for Trifecta mounts to ASR mounts as well as exchanging all muzzle devices free-of-charge. When SilencerCo ECO'ed the stainless sleeve surrounding the birdcage in the Octane to the petal design, they upgraded users for free. When they upgraded the Omega ASR mount to increase the length due to fouling, they exchanged old mounts with new mounts for free. Not trying to white knight for SilencerCo, but they are taking care of their customers as they make design modifications. You guys are making design changes/upgrades and deciding on how those changes/upgrades are implemented in the field including the cost. In general, nobody expects to receive upgrades for free although there is some expectation of the manufacturer taking care of the customer when FCOs restore basic functionality of the product. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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At Silencer Co, the Sakers featured a mount that apparently hundreds of end users have had false positives with and shot the cans down range - some of them multiple times- and no design modifications I'm aware of occurred to my knowledge. Several generations of buyers bought the cans and now the mount appears to be in the process of being or has been phased out. When SilencerCo ECO'ed the stainless sleeve surrounding the birdcage in the Octane to the petal design, they upgraded users for free. When they upgraded the Omega ASR mount to increase the length due to fouling, they exchanged old mounts with new mounts for free. Not trying to white knight for SilencerCo, but they are taking care of their customers as they make design modifications. You guys are making design changes/upgrades and deciding on how those changes/upgrades are implemented in the field including the cost. In general, nobody expects to receive upgrades for free although there is some expectation of the manufacturer taking care of the customer when FCOs restore basic functionality of the product. |
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Green0...Are you telling me it takes your engineer 4 generations to get it correct the fifth times??!! Maybe you need to hire Our Engineer at this forum or BadgerArms who saw the ' no wrench compatible part' and its wrench. The crux of the problem is there are members here have had problems removing the part since there are no tools to use. You guys should know more about the design, tools to remove parts, than the average users here. Please don't shift the blame on us for your engineer's lack of experience. View Quote Wasn't that last half-baffle going to be available as an upgrade also? I seem to remember that being said. ETA: GA all we want is a way to get the sour taste out of us Revolution Gen 1 owner's mouths. A RECCE5 and m4sdk were my next purchases to be had. They seem to be awesome cans but without a better option for the Revolution problem I will not be spending money on them. The whole fool me once thing... |
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Green0...Are you telling me it takes your engineer 4 generations to get it correct the fifth times??!! Maybe you need to hire Our Engineer at this forum or BadgerArms who saw the ' no wrench compatible part' and its wrench. View Quote You're asking a bit too much of the engineering department to think up every possibility on the first generation guns. The Griffin Time Machine is still in the design phase. Cut them a break. As far as the ASR mount and Silencerco's free upgrades... those aren't upgrades. There were LOTS of legitimate problems with the SiCo product. That's more of a recall or a fix than an upgrade. |
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As far as the ASR mount and Silencerco's free upgrades... those aren't upgrades. There were LOTS of legitimate problems with the SiCo product. That's more of a recall or a fix than an upgrade. View Quote GA, you guys make great products, but some of your business descions are not very wise. Even if it wasn't free, charging a more reasonable price would still be better than the slap in the face of $145. Maybe $50 would be less offensive to customers. |
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This is a legitimate problem with the gen 1 Revolution. It's the exact same type of situation. It is not an upgrade when you are fixing a design flaw. GA, you guys make great products, but some of your business descions are not very wise. Even if it wasn't free, charging a more reasonable price would still be better than the slap in the face of $145. Maybe $50 would be less offensive to customers. View Quote |
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That's a GROSS misrepresentation of my point. My point is that you bought a product that Griffin says was the first 'modular' suppressor on the market. This was before everybody started doing this. While it's easy to Monday-morning quarterback the company for not including wrench notches and a wrench with the product, it's disingenuous to expect them to have thought about that and included that feature on the first product. Why didn't Maxim have QD mounts, K-baffles, and a modular endcap on his silencers? Let's dig him up and make him pay to give us those features. Duh, everybody knows that's the way you make silencers! In 10 years when EVERYBODY is 3D printing their suppressors for $5 apiece, do you expect a Refund because 3D printed silencers have been on the market for a few years as of now? (seriously, look that up. They've been around a bit) When Griffin comes out with a bayonet-lock QD configurable housing that makes perfect sense to our future selves, are people going to be expecting Griffin to foot the bill for the upgrade? You're asking a bit too much of the engineering department to think up every possibility on the first generation guns. The Griffin Time Machine is still in the design phase. Cut them a break. As far as the ASR mount and Silencerco's free upgrades... those aren't upgrades. There were LOTS of legitimate problems with the SiCo product. That's more of a recall or a fix than an upgrade. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Green0...Are you telling me it takes your engineer 4 generations to get it correct the fifth times??!! Maybe you need to hire Our Engineer at this forum or BadgerArms who saw the ' no wrench compatible part' and its wrench. You're asking a bit too much of the engineering department to think up every possibility on the first generation guns. The Griffin Time Machine is still in the design phase. Cut them a break. As far as the ASR mount and Silencerco's free upgrades... those aren't upgrades. There were LOTS of legitimate problems with the SiCo product. That's more of a recall or a fix than an upgrade. |
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[#31]
I have a revolution 9 gen 1 in jail now and should have it any day now. For those that have one, is it worth while for me to upgrade right away?
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[#34]
Price is determined by the vendor; purchase, by the consumer.
From a value standpoint, $145 is a lot just to ease piston removal, & it won't affect fixed bbl/3-lug application at all. Thus, IMO, from a value standpoint, the price is high for the functional benefit it offers. For $50-$75, I'd probably buy in. Besides, I just ordered a Ghost 45M, so I'll keep the Rev45 dedicated to the Scorp in 3-lug mode. |
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[#36]
We were supplying the units with blue and red ND industries thread locker and red was recommended for submachine gun use. We understood few end users have machine guns and also that that application involves higher temperatures and cyclical vibration. We have dissassembled a few of the "stuck" red loctited units here for whatever reason they were here for service or inspection, but that process involves heating the knurled part and putting a channel lock pliers on the rear component and unscrewing it. Sometimes we use a strap wrench on the tube while using the pliers on the other component. It involves time and payroll and these costs weren't built into the upgrade price.
By nature silencers can get very stuck together. Melted and vaporized lead and copper can braze parts together that were not fused. When we designed the product originally, we expected end users to try both configurations and use the one they liked in most cases- this would add a value in that they wouldn't have to look at small and large cans and make an obligatory purchasing decision in the blind and be stuck with the choice without ever trying both. This is evidenced by our price which was equivalent to the non modular units on the market. We had very positive initial field results- with Silencer Shop taking the can to an event and firing 10,000 rounds in a weekend, screwing around with it, having various people handle and review it etc without issue. We didn't really get negative feedback for what seemed like over a year, or maybe 2+ years. Comments such as those above helped us to understand some guys wanted to constantly change the configuration of the product. Our 4th production cycle product integrated tools and re-useable thread sealant (5 times re-useable, so that still has to be re-applied infrequently), and our 5th production cycle (current) added the 7075 tube, 3rd configuration and some centerfire rifle ratings of the products. Those 4th and 5th production cycle units were seeking to accomplish the design objective that the product be more readily constantly configured. Obviously it is impossible with silencers that involve melted and vaporized metals to guarantee perpetual configuration cycles, but it is possible to strongly encourage the possibility. One of the negative consequences of re-useable thread sealant now being used is that it has low prevailing torque. So when the right hand thread is coupled with the left hand piston, tightening the silencer on the barrel of the pistol needs to be conducted with a grip that biases the rear of the silencer so that the left hand torque doesn't encourage the components to be loosened. It is an operator headspace and timing issue that is surmounted by not being a mechanical idiot. |
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I keep my Rev 9 and 45 in long configuration, so that hasn't been a problem for me as far as swapping things around. I have been changing out the pistons/3-lug/direct-thread adapters ever so often though. I bought the strap wrenches mentioned in a previous thread that that helped me a lot. Some times when they were very stuck I had to get some help of my vice. Not really a huge deal. Well, after seeing the upgrade that was being offered the concept seemed easy enough, so I put on my big girl panties and did a DIY mod. Mini-mill to cut the notches and a laser to cut the wrenches. Boom! Still no complaints for the Griffin guys. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%201_zpscmappnvu.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%202_zps3woarfxj.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%203_zpss9qlrqb7.jpg I have one wrench based on the smaller three lug drawing and the other with the large. I may end up making another on with both on one wrench. I still have to coat them in Moly Resin this weekend. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%204_zps6gxvltbu.jpg CHRIS View Quote |
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I keep my Rev 9 and 45 in long configuration, so that hasn't been a problem for me as far as swapping things around. I have been changing out the pistons/3-lug/direct-thread adapters ever so often though. I bought the strap wrenches mentioned in a previous thread that that helped me a lot. Some times when they were very stuck I had to get some help of my vice. Not really a huge deal. Well, after seeing the upgrade that was being offered the concept seemed easy enough, so I put on my big girl panties and did a DIY mod. Mini-mill to cut the notches and a laser to cut the wrenches. Boom! Still no complaints for the Griffin guys. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%201_zpscmappnvu.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%202_zps3woarfxj.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%203_zpss9qlrqb7.jpg I have one wrench based on the smaller three lug drawing and the other with the large. I may end up making another on with both on one wrench. I still have to coat them in Moly Resin this weekend. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%204_zps6gxvltbu.jpg CHRIS |
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GA if you cant get your bottom line to pencil out good enough to take care of existing customers for a realistic price I guess that is fine.
But what I personally could do without is a long winded speech that comes off as possibly demeaning to your customer base and sounds like it was purposely written to come off as being overly intelect. I can see you guys being worried about the unforeseen flood of Rev9 & 45 upgrades if you would offer it at a better cost however I would like to know how big your civilian customer base is if you would take those of us on these forums out of your sales. Another words I cant see how helping out us diehard NFA customers on this board would hurt you in the long run. |
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I keep my Rev 9 and 45 in long configuration, so that hasn't been a problem for me as far as swapping things around. I have been changing out the pistons/3-lug/direct-thread adapters ever so often though. I bought the strap wrenches mentioned in a previous thread that helped me a lot. Some times when they were very stuck I had to get some help of my vice. Not really a huge deal. Well, after seeing the upgrade that was being offered the concept seemed easy enough, so I put on my big girl panties and did a DIY mod. Mini-mill to cut the notches and a laser to cut the wrenches. Boom! Still no complaints for the Griffin guys. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%201_zpscmappnvu.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%202_zps3woarfxj.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%203_zpss9qlrqb7.jpg I have one wrench based on the smaller three lug drawing and the other with the large. I may end up making another on with both on one wrench. I still have to coat them in Moly Resin this weekend. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Chrissopher/rev%20wrench%204_zps6gxvltbu.jpg CHRIS View Quote |
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I keep my Rev 9 and 45 in long configuration, so that hasn't been a problem for me as far as swapping things around. I have been changing out the pistons/3-lug/direct-thread adapters ever so often though. I bought the strap wrenches mentioned in a previous thread that helped me a lot. Some times when they were very stuck I had to get some help of my vice. Not really a huge deal. Well, after seeing the upgrade that was being offered the concept seemed easy enough, so I put on my big girl panties and did a DIY mod. Mini-mill to cut the notches and a laser to cut the wrenches. Boom! Still no complaints for the Griffin guys. CHRIS View Quote |
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The scallops have a .25" radius and are inset.
The notch was based on a 3/16" endmill. It's the smallest size that I had spares for. CHRIS |
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I have a pair of big girl panties, but I do not have the mini-mill or laser. My Ocatne is going under the file, though. Yes, a file and a Dremmel should get me through this. Not like I've got $1,000 invested in my Octane setup, mounts, pistons, and accessories or anything. Hey, SiCo fixes stupid, right? I'm about to do stupid. View Quote CHRIS |
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I have a pair of big girl panties, but I do not have the mini-mill or laser. My Ocatne is going under the file, though. Yes, a file and a Dremmel should get me through this. Not like I've got $1,000 invested in my Octane setup, mounts, pistons, and accessories or anything. Hey, SiCo fixes stupid, right? I'm about to do stupid. View Quote |
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Am I missing something or why do you need to modify the Octane? I thought we were talking about the Revolution here??? View Quote |
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[#50]
I have a mini-mill but no time to bother with sorting it out, so I went for the upgrade.
The cans function as advertised, and GA didn't sell them to me promising free parts later. |
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