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Posted: 11/8/2016 12:00:15 AM EDT
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Griffin Optimus blast baffle. Exactly 1080 rounds. 700 5.56 and 380 6.5 Creedmoor.
I cleaned it to get a better idea of erosion.   |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/17/2016 11:32:52 AM EDT
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Not the blast baffle.... but pretty awesome.
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Posted: 11/18/2016 10:02:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
Griffin Optimus blast baffle. Exactly 1080 rounds. 700 5.56 and 380 6.5 Creedmoor. I cleaned it to get a better idea of erosion. http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/gfreeman1975/IMG_3886_zpsxzshnvg9.jpg http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/gfreeman1975/IMG_3889_zpsrbdz8pkw.jpg Thanks for those pics, I have an Optimus coming up for parole soon and was wondering how others' cans are doing. How do the distal baffles look after ~1k rounds? Any way we could get some good, focused pics of those baffles? |
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Posted: 11/18/2016 11:22:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass: Thanks for those pics, I have an Optimus coming up for parole soon and was wondering how others' cans are doing. How do the distal baffles look after ~1k rounds? Any way we could get some good, focused pics of those baffles? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass: Originally Posted By right_rudder: Griffin Optimus blast baffle. Exactly 1080 rounds. 700 5.56 and 380 6.5 Creedmoor. I cleaned it to get a better idea of erosion. http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/gfreeman1975/IMG_3886_zpsxzshnvg9.jpg http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab29/gfreeman1975/IMG_3889_zpsrbdz8pkw.jpg Thanks for those pics, I have an Optimus coming up for parole soon and was wondering how others' cans are doing. How do the distal baffles look after ~1k rounds? Any way we could get some good, focused pics of those baffles? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2016 6:47:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1:
Not the blast baffle.... but pretty awesome. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/Itieknots7/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-01-15-23-52-24_zps74cd912e.png Unless there was a bunch of rimfire use on that can, seems like a lot of build up. We've been told that there is no need to clean a centerfire rifle can because it's like a self-cleaning oven. Obviously 50k is a ton of rounds but it had to build up to that point and it looks like it's almost obstructing the bore. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 11/19/2016 2:32:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ImFarmerTed:
Unless there was a bunch of rimfire use on that can, seems like a lot of build up. We've been told that there is no need to clean a centerfire rifle can because it's like a self-cleaning oven. Obviously 50k is a ton of rounds but it had to build up to that point and it looks like it's almost obstructing the bore. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ImFarmerTed:
Originally Posted By domestique1:
Not the blast baffle.... but pretty awesome. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/Itieknots7/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-01-15-23-52-24_zps74cd912e.png Unless there was a bunch of rimfire use on that can, seems like a lot of build up. We've been told that there is no need to clean a centerfire rifle can because it's like a self-cleaning oven. Obviously 50k is a ton of rounds but it had to build up to that point and it looks like it's almost obstructing the bore. My Trek manual says no cleaning but I wonder if its design dependant. Seeing a high round Noveske KX3 cut open looked just like that picture above. I am gonna weigh my cans after a while, and maybe do the dip if they gain a lot of mass. Gonna be a while to get 10k rounds through the Trek though. |
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Posted: 11/20/2016 7:37:20 PM EDT
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Surge 762 with 105 rounds of 5.56 out of a 16" barrel with flash hider. I think it is going to be a LONG time before I see much erosion going on. On a related note, after finally getting to shoot it today I must say this thing is stupid quiet
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Posted: 11/20/2016 9:25:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass: Surge 762 with 105 rounds of 5.56 out of a 16" barrel with flash hider. I think it is going to be a LONG time before I see much erosion going on. On a related note, after finally getting to shoot it today I must say this thing is stupid quiet http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k277/cake5150/Surge%20blast%20baffle%20105%20rounds_zpsjynjugau.jpg Great picture. What did you take it with? |
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Posted: 11/20/2016 10:25:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
Great picture. What did you take it with? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
Originally Posted By fordkicksass:
Surge 762 with 105 rounds of 5.56 out of a 16" barrel with flash hider. I think it is going to be a LONG time before I see much erosion going on. On a related note, after finally getting to shoot it today I must say this thing is stupid quiet
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k277/cake5150/Surge%20blast%20baffle%20105%20rounds_zpsjynjugau.jpg Great picture. What did you take it with? Thanks! Oddly enough, that was taken with my phone. It's a Samsung Galaxy, either a 5 or a 6 I think. I set it on 16 MP and took my time getting a good one with good focus. All subsequent pics will be that good hopefully. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/21/2016 1:09:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ImFarmerTed:
Unless there was a bunch of rimfire use on that can, seems like a lot of build up. We've been told that there is no need to clean a centerfire rifle can because it's like a self-cleaning oven. Obviously 50k is a ton of rounds but it had to build up to that point and it looks like it's almost obstructing the bore. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ImFarmerTed:
Originally Posted By domestique1:
Not the blast baffle.... but pretty awesome. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/Itieknots7/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-01-15-23-52-24_zps74cd912e.png Unless there was a bunch of rimfire use on that can, seems like a lot of build up. We've been told that there is no need to clean a centerfire rifle can because it's like a self-cleaning oven. Obviously 50k is a ton of rounds but it had to build up to that point and it looks like it's almost obstructing the bore. It's a screenshot from a Knight's promo video. I doubt they ever shot rimfire through it. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 5:24:05 AM EDT
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There are suppressor manufacturers who say that centrefire calibre suppressors do not accumulate any buildup and then there are companies who say they do.
We fall in the latter category. However there are of course variables that effect on the weight buildup and flash / sound suppression performance - Suppressor design - Calibre - Powder used - Barrel length - How many rounds per month / year for example - Rate of fire ( ie. bolt action vs a semi / select fire weapon ) So should someone be cleaning their centrefire calibre suppressor?, it really depends on the answers to the above points. Best Regards! Tuukka Jokinen Ase Utra sound suppressors |
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Posted: 12/1/2016 12:05:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/5/2017 9:59:45 PM EDT
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Anyone have good pics of a high mileage Omega or Griffin rifle can?
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Posted: 1/5/2017 10:17:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass:
Anyone have good pics of a high mileage Omega or Griffin rifle can? I could show you a Recce 7 with zero rounds 
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Posted: 1/6/2017 2:44:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mitsuman47]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bradpierson26:
I could show you a Recce 7 with zero rounds  Still waiting on mine.
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NE, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2017 3:25:15 PM EDT
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Forgot about this thread....I'll post some of my Recce 7 with a couple hundred thru it later today if I remember.
Forgot to take pictures when I picked it up mid-December. |
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Posted: 1/14/2017 2:30:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47:
Pretty please? Still waiting on mine.Recce 7, zero rounds 
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Posted: 4/11/2017 3:01:17 PM EDT
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Bump for an awesome thread...
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2017 10:58:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ImFarmerTed:
Unless there was a bunch of rimfire use on that can, seems like a lot of build up. We've been told that there is no need to clean a centerfire rifle can because it's like a self-cleaning oven. Obviously 50k is a ton of rounds but it had to build up to that point and it looks like it's almost obstructing the bore. Fifty. Thousand. Rounds. Doesn't look bad to me at all. For the round count anyway. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:00:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ddm4me:
Knights qdc. Zero rounds http://AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/280111/20161201-080056-95661.jpg |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:13:39 PM EDT
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Omega Zero Rounds
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Posted: 4/11/2017 11:13:56 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 4/12/2017 12:48:40 AM EDT
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3K rounds, F1 can, approximately 2500 rounds mounted on 10.5" SBR with muzzle brake, and 500 rounds on 7.5" SBR with muzzle brake, all 5.56.. You can see a tiny bit of erosion starting on the holes in a few of the freeze plugs.
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Posted: 6/14/2017 3:12:33 PM EDT
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Griffin Alpha (Paladin). Zero rounds
since this can is user serviceable I plan to update the thread from time to time but I'm not keeping accurate round count, just approximation since this one will be moved between several different rifles.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/14/2017 7:38:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: compuvette]
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Couple more pics.
Saker 762, 120 rounds 556 from a 7.5" PWS Diablo with flash hider and 90 rounds 300 blk subs. It's looking like I could shoot this can till the world ends and not have any erosion. I figured I'd see at least a discoloration after the 7.5", but no dice.... 
Surefire 556 SOCOM Mini Monster. 500 rounds 11.5", 240 rounds 10.3". Both flash hider. So far all my Surefires are holding up well. I'll get a pic up of my 762-SOCOM soon. |
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Posted: 7/1/2017 10:46:58 AM EDT
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Since I was moving my photobucket pics here are a few of mine.
SWR Trident9 with aftermarket baffles, can be taken apart. Approximately 1k 9mm since re-core. About 12k on the tube. 
Specwar 556k used on a 10.5 5.56 about 700 rounds. One full beta c mag on auto. 
Saker 762 Used on everything it is rated for. About 5k. Several beta c mag on auto. I dont see how it will ever wear out. I bought 2 more when they were discontinued I like it so much. 
Liberty Mystic x about 1k mostly 12" 7.62x39 and 8" 300 Blackout. The shiny area is still square just clean. It is really long so it pretty much stays on rifles. 
And my oldest AAC 762 SD 18T about 10k of mixed 5.56 and 7.62 most from a HK G3 on auto and about 200 of 270 win. It has wear but not bad. I need to send it in to get it re-cored and switched to 51t some day now that I have ASR mounts on everything but one ak. 
My Obsidian45, Revolution9, and 22 suppressors have no wear and get cleaned when needed. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/2/2017 2:09:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1:
Not the blast baffle.... but pretty awesome. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/Itieknots7/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-01-15-23-52-24_zps74cd912e.png |
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USA
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Posted: 7/2/2017 2:12:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ddm4me:
Knights qdc. Zero rounds http://AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/280111/20161201-080056-95661.jpg |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 3:06:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2017 10:03:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bwc_oh33]
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~350 rounds 300BLK subsonic- various manufacturers. AAC 762-SD, 12" ar pistol.
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Posted: 7/4/2017 11:07:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
Griffin Alpha (Paladin). Zero rounds since this can is user serviceable I plan to update the thread from time to time but I'm not keeping accurate round count, just approximation since this one will be moved between several different rifles. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/IMG-1131-230624.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/IMG-1132-230625.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/IMG-1133-230626.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/IMG-1135-230627.JPG |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 10:29:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By firemedic2000:
I've got this can. You goung to get the .22 cal end cap for it. I've got the RECCE5 MOD3 also. I want to see the difference on a 10.5 barrel the performance on my 11.5" is pretty astounding.. I'd like to hear from someone that has the end cap and what they think. How does the Alpha compare to your Recce 5? My understanding is the 22 endcap makes the Alpha a Recce 5 |
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Posted: 7/8/2017 10:55:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
I forgot the other baffles in the Optimus https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/IMG-0917-185591.JPG I am going to be gitting a 3-lug mounting system too. |
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Posted: 7/8/2017 11:03:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fordkicksass:
Anyone have good pics of a high mileage Omega or Griffin rifle can? |
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Posted: 7/16/2017 10:48:18 PM EDT
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YHM Phantom
Unknown round count. I have shot less than 1000 rounds (mostly .308 and 300BLK) but it was a LEO demo can so you can assume 500+ abusive rounds.  Attached FileGemtech Outback II Less than 2000 rounds  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/16/2017 10:51:01 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/17/2017 10:33:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bajorn5:
Since I was moving my photobucket pics here are a few of mine. SWR Trident9 with aftermarket baffles, can be taken apart. Approximately 1k 9mm since re-core. About 12k on the tube. https://image.ibb.co/eYwgf5/trident9.jpg |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 2:31:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigMan74]
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/29/2017 10:50:25 PM EDT
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Surefire Socom 762RC
5,000~ 6.5 Creedmoor 2,500-3,000~ 5.56 11 and 16in barrels >1,000 308 >1,000 6.8SPC 
SF Socom 5 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 
SF Socom 2 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr 
SF Socom 3 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr |
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Posted: 3/30/2018 3:27:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
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Saker 556 w/Keymo adapter. Between 2.5k-3k rounds, primarily on a 10.5” upper (with some 14” and 16” mixed in), all rifles utilize a FH.
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Posted: 6/27/2018 5:43:48 PM EDT
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bump
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2018 8:38:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11B3XCIB]
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Griffin Recce 5 Mod 3 with about 2500-3000 rounds. Some 10.5” use, 90% on a 16” w/ flash hider
Optimus Micro w/ 200rds of 5.56 through a 16” Rifle/Mini brake & taper mount, and a little .22lr. Pretty solid for a .22 suppressor 
I’ve got some others I’ll post later if I remember |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 8:41:23 PM EDT
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Had to migrate to Imgur
AAC M4-2000 - Couple thousand rounds through it on an 11.5" SBR with AAC Brake 
Need to take some more pics of my other cans |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 9:31:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By domestique1:
Not the blast baffle.... but pretty awesome. http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/Itieknots7/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2016-01-15-23-52-24_zps74cd912e.png 
That thing looks amazing! Where'd you find this? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2018 10:13:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11B3XCIB]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
That thing looks amazing! Where'd you find this? |
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Posted: 6/27/2018 10:18:52 PM EDT
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Alpha/Palidan. About 2000 rounds. Mostly 556 reloads on an 11.5" with Hammer comp
and 800 6.5 Creedmoor from a 22" Barrel with Griffin mini break, I'm guessing on the round counts.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 7/4/2018 1:45:54 AM EDT
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Mack Brothers MB762S (zero rounds) |
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Posted: 7/4/2018 9:35:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ImFarmerTed: Unless there was a bunch of rimfire use on that can, seems like a lot of build up. We've been told that there is no need to clean a centerfire rifle can because it's like a self-cleaning oven. Obviously 50k is a ton of rounds but it had to build up to that point and it looks like it's almost obstructing the bore. A lot of team guys don't abuse their cans and use them predominantly on missions. If you use that approach you could do 20 years in the military and go on 7 combat deployments and probably keep the round count under 5000 on one suppressor. Another way to look at it is if you can afford to fire $17,500 worth of ammo through the can, you can afford to buy another $900 can. Or If you bought a can like a Paladin, you could remove buildup, and also have the baffles replaced for a nominal fee, possibly saving you some money. This picture is a Brugger and Thomet copy of a Knights Armament Baffle. I can't find a picture of a KAC baffle out of a tube but these are very similar. You can see the abnormally high amount of surface area present. Higher surface area is good for sound reduction, transfers more thermal energy (AKA makes the can hotter per round fired), and increases fouling per round fired. 
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Posted: 7/5/2018 10:07:25 PM EDT
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I remember Rob Silvers saying that M4-2000s fill up similarly between 30,000 and 50,000 rounds on 10.5” rifles. I imagine it’s as much a consequence of hard use on short barrels as baffle surface area.
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Posted: 7/6/2018 10:07:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conqueror:
I remember Rob Silvers saying that M4-2000s fill up similarly between 30,000 and 50,000 rounds on 10.5” rifles. I imagine it’s as much a consequence of hard use on short barrels as baffle surface area. I'm sure a lot of factors play a role- the type of powder, whether the bullets are true FMJ's like a Sierra Match King, or not, etc. |
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