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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:14:18 AM EDT
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If I had to guess, Id say youll never see a big name Ti can that is rated for the short barrels and high pressure calibers the Saker is. I have no doubt that the Saker is far stronger than the Omega. I also have no doubt that I will never wear out an Omega. YMMV. Also, it seems like the rear mount rig is just the ASR adapter from the Harvester Big Bore. With no notches machined into the back of the can to help torque MAAD mounts on, Im guessing that this can will never get the MAAD system. Still, its a nice can. Light, roughly the length of the Saker K, and Specwar sound levels. I want it. Gemtech gmt-300wm? |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:36:55 AM EDT
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As others have stated I find it hard to believe that it is only rated down to 10" on Blackout when it is full auto rated for 10" on 556 and 16" 308. Then again I do not reload or have a full under standing of pressure exertions in a suppressor body. It seems to me there is a lot more information not out yet on it but then again they are already selling so what would be left out?
I talked with my dealer here in Houston who will be attending Shot and I am on hold for now until he gets back to me with more info. Last thing the Specwar mounts were caliber friendly as the Saker's correct; as in an ASR mount will attach to its respective 556 and 762 FH/Brake? eta: grammer |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:45:21 AM EDT
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I talked with my dealer here in Houston who will be attending Shot and I am on hold for now until he gets back to me with more info. Last thing the Specwar mounts where caliber friendly as the Saker's correct; as in an ASR mount will attach to its respective 556 and 762 FH/Brake? The Specwar762 will attach to both 762 and 556 muzzle devices. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:19:55 AM EDT
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I hope so. That really hurts it if it can't handle 8" with subs at least. I'd prefer supers as well. I have standardized on 51t mounts and own the Saker556, Harvester, 762SDN6, and AAC 556-sd. I would like to use this in its thread on application with a 5.56 end cap option. It's a bit longer than a Mini-4 but only a half oz heavier. Possibly lighter altogether without the brake and set up for thread on. I like the idea of getting direct thread mounts for all of my SiCo cans. Bonus for the Omega that it comes with the direct thread and qd options, includng a muzzle device. It seems to be an extremely versatile jack of all trades can. Arguably the best in the industry in that regard. That's just my opinion, but I'm an admitted koolaid drinker. How are you guys storing all of your suppressor end caps, parts, etc?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Omega is rated down to 10" with the 300blk. I was hoping it was rated for 8" :/ I bet that changes to 8" very soon, just like AAC changing the warranty on their suppressors. If it can handle 10" .223, it can handle 8" 300 BLK. I hope so. That really hurts it if it can't handle 8" with subs at least. I'd prefer supers as well. I have standardized on 51t mounts and own the Saker556, Harvester, 762SDN6, and AAC 556-sd. I would like to use this in its thread on application with a 5.56 end cap option. It's a bit longer than a Mini-4 but only a half oz heavier. Possibly lighter altogether without the brake and set up for thread on. I like the idea of getting direct thread mounts for all of my SiCo cans. Bonus for the Omega that it comes with the direct thread and qd options, includng a muzzle device. It seems to be an extremely versatile jack of all trades can. Arguably the best in the industry in that regard. That's just my opinion, but I'm an admitted koolaid drinker. How are you guys storing all of your suppressor end caps, parts, etc? This is a more robust can than the harvester and the harvester is rated for 8" 300blk. Use your noggin for more than a hat rack fellas. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:31:30 AM EDT
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This is a more robust can than the harvester and the harvester is rated for 8" 300blk. Use your noggin for more than a hat rack fellas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Omega is rated down to 10" with the 300blk. I was hoping it was rated for 8" :/ I bet that changes to 8" very soon, just like AAC changing the warranty on their suppressors. If it can handle 10" .223, it can handle 8" 300 BLK. I hope so. That really hurts it if it can't handle 8" with subs at least. I'd prefer supers as well. I have standardized on 51t mounts and own the Saker556, Harvester, 762SDN6, and AAC 556-sd. I would like to use this in its thread on application with a 5.56 end cap option. It's a bit longer than a Mini-4 but only a half oz heavier. Possibly lighter altogether without the brake and set up for thread on. I like the idea of getting direct thread mounts for all of my SiCo cans. Bonus for the Omega that it comes with the direct thread and qd options, includng a muzzle device. It seems to be an extremely versatile jack of all trades can. Arguably the best in the industry in that regard. That's just my opinion, but I'm an admitted koolaid drinker. How are you guys storing all of your suppressor end caps, parts, etc? This is a more robust can than the harvester and the harvester is rated for 8" 300blk. Use your noggin for more than a hat rack fellas. Yes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:02:01 AM EDT
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And I already got sent another email this morning:
sorry for the confusion... The 10" minimum barrel is for Supersonic 300blk. There is no minimum barrel length for Subsonic.
Thanks... So definitely better I suppose. But supers would be nice.. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:09:19 AM EDT
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How are you guys storing all of your suppressor end caps, parts, etc? Tackle boxes. 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:41:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:56:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI need to grab something similar...just need to make sure it has at least one longer section for things like the Saker tools.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:59:13 AM EDT
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Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. I wouldn't hesitate to shoot supers out of an 8" 300BLK with an Omega, if I owned one. But YMMV. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:59:44 AM EDT
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I need to grab something similar...just need to make sure it has at least one longer section for things like the Saker tools. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The dividers are removable, so you can configure it for long items like wrenches, pusher tools, etc. The o-ring gasket is a nice touch too. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 12:03:05 PM EDT
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Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. So you shot it with supers??????? You shot a 10.5 5.56 with a Harvester on the end? Please elaborate on this. I'm a little confused. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 12:17:38 PM EDT
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I really like what I'm seeing but I'm a little confused as to why the Omega is only rated down to 10" for the 300BLK. I would love to use this can on my 8" 300.
I'm no suppressor guru but given their other offerings and the specs and ratings on them, it doesn't make sense to me why they would only rate it down to 10" for the 300BLK. eta- I am discussing supers, not subs. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 12:48:22 PM EDT
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"The Omega is rated down to a 10" barrel when using supersonic 300blk. It does not have a minimum barrel length with subsonic as long as your bullet is stabilizing".
Straight from silencerco customer service. Just emailed them today |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:00:57 PM EDT
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So you shot it with supers??????? You shot a 10.5 5.56 with a Harvester on the end? Please elaborate on this. I'm a little confused. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. So you shot it with supers??????? You shot a 10.5 5.56 with a Harvester on the end? Please elaborate on this. I'm a little confused. Not their demo gun but I have shot a harvester on my 8" 300blk and was fine. I was commenting on how the omega is rated for 10" 5.56 which doesn't compute to limiting 300blk to 10" too. 8" 300blk has less muzzle pressure than 10" 5.56. I asked my contact about it and he said they simply hadn't tested it on an 8" with supers yet. I will be running it on my 8". If it can handle 20" magnums it can handle an 8" 300blk. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:06:27 PM EDT
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Not their demo gun but I have shot a harvester on my 8" 300blk and was fine. I was commenting on how the omega is rated for 10" 5.56 which doesn't compute to limiting 300blk to 10" too. 8" 300blk has less muzzle pressure than 10" 5.56. I asked my contact about it and he said they simply hadn't tested it on an 8" with supers yet. I will be running it on my 8". If it can handle 20" magnums it can handle an 8" 300blk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. So you shot it with supers??????? You shot a 10.5 5.56 with a Harvester on the end? Please elaborate on this. I'm a little confused. Not their demo gun but I have shot a harvester on my 8" 300blk and was fine. I was commenting on how the omega is rated for 10" 5.56 which doesn't compute to limiting 300blk to 10" too. 8" 300blk has less muzzle pressure than 10" 5.56. I asked my contact about it and he said they simply hadn't tested it on an 8" with supers yet. I will be running it on my 8". If it can handle 20" magnums it can handle an 8" 300blk. That was my argument when I spoke to SilencerCo but they weren't having it. They said "exactly" no supers under 16" 300.blk through a Harvester. You mind sending me an IM of what you've shot through your Harvestre and what gun so I don't jumble up this thread anymore? |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:15:18 PM EDT
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That was my argument when I spoke to SilencerCo but they weren't having it. They said "exactly" no supers under 16" 300.blk through a Harvester. You mind sending me an IM of what you've shot through your Harvestre and what gun so I don't jumble up this thread anymore? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. So you shot it with supers??????? You shot a 10.5 5.56 with a Harvester on the end? Please elaborate on this. I'm a little confused. Not their demo gun but I have shot a harvester on my 8" 300blk and was fine. I was commenting on how the omega is rated for 10" 5.56 which doesn't compute to limiting 300blk to 10" too. 8" 300blk has less muzzle pressure than 10" 5.56. I asked my contact about it and he said they simply hadn't tested it on an 8" with supers yet. I will be running it on my 8". If it can handle 20" magnums it can handle an 8" 300blk. That was my argument when I spoke to SilencerCo but they weren't having it. They said "exactly" no supers under 16" 300.blk through a Harvester. You mind sending me an IM of what you've shot through your Harvestre and what gun so I don't jumble up this thread anymore? I wouldn't take anything I've done as gospel or what you should do. I'm not an engineer, just someone with quickload, a little common sense and some experience with pressure vessels and the calculations for burst strength. I ran my 308 rated recce 7 on my 300wm and shot my Specwar wet on my 8" blackout. Doesn't mean you should or would get away with it. I only ran the harvester on my 300blk for a hog hunt so no high volume fire. Just didn't feel like lugging around 28oz of specwar/mount vs 12oz of harvester. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 3:18:22 PM EDT
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Not their demo gun but I have shot a harvester on my 8" 300blk and was fine. I was commenting on how the omega is rated for 10" 5.56 which doesn't compute to limiting 300blk to 10" too. 8" 300blk has less muzzle pressure than 10" 5.56. I asked my contact about it and he said they simply hadn't tested it on an 8" with supers yet. I will be running it on my 8". If it can handle 20" magnums it can handle an 8" 300blk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. So you shot it with supers??????? You shot a 10.5 5.56 with a Harvester on the end? Please elaborate on this. I'm a little confused. Not their demo gun but I have shot a harvester on my 8" 300blk and was fine. I was commenting on how the omega is rated for 10" 5.56 which doesn't compute to limiting 300blk to 10" too. 8" 300blk has less muzzle pressure than 10" 5.56. I asked my contact about it and he said they simply hadn't tested it on an 8" with supers yet. I will be running it on my 8". If it can handle 20" magnums it can handle an 8" 300blk. Hopefully they do test it and give it the ok. Seems almost a given if they rate it to 10"for 5.56, that they'd clear it for use on an 8" 300. I really like this can, and probably would've ordered it as my first 7.62 can (vs the Specwar762). But I did take advantage of the Specwar/Spectre II deal, so I don't feel too bummed out. I may very well pick one of these up too. 
Coincidentally, I just received an email an hour ago that my Specwar762 Form 3 came back and they're sending it off to my dealer. 
ps. My Spectre II form 3 time was right at 2 months. My Specwar762 (purchased at the same time), didn't ship til today. It took almost 3 months for that form 3. 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 5:05:07 PM EDT
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Hopefully they do test it and give it the ok. Seems almost a given if they rate it to 10"for 5.56, that they'd clear it for use on an 8" 300. I really like this can, and probably would've ordered it as my first 7.62 can (vs the Specwar762). But I did take advantage of the Specwar/Spectre II deal, so I don't feel too bummed out. I may very well pick one of these up too.
Coincidentally, I just received an email an hour ago that my Specwar762 Form 3 came back and they're sending it off to my dealer.
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Yes the Harvester is rated for 8" sub's not supers. Supersonic has to be 16". I'm sure you can use the Omega on a 8" 300blk but sub's only I'm bet. But in the video the .300blk rifle looks like a 10.5. Interesting, because I've shot the yellow 300blk noveske SBR you see in their promo videos with the harvester. Some wires are crossed somewhere because 10" 5.56 has a ton more muzzle pressure and unvurnt powder than 10" 300blk. That makes no sense at all. So you shot it with supers??????? You shot a 10.5 5.56 with a Harvester on the end? Please elaborate on this. I'm a little confused. Not their demo gun but I have shot a harvester on my 8" 300blk and was fine. I was commenting on how the omega is rated for 10" 5.56 which doesn't compute to limiting 300blk to 10" too. 8" 300blk has less muzzle pressure than 10" 5.56. I asked my contact about it and he said they simply hadn't tested it on an 8" with supers yet. I will be running it on my 8". If it can handle 20" magnums it can handle an 8" 300blk. Hopefully they do test it and give it the ok. Seems almost a given if they rate it to 10"for 5.56, that they'd clear it for use on an 8" 300. I really like this can, and probably would've ordered it as my first 7.62 can (vs the Specwar762). But I did take advantage of the Specwar/Spectre II deal, so I don't feel too bummed out. I may very well pick one of these up too.
Coincidentally, I just received an email an hour ago that my Specwar762 Form 3 came back and they're sending it off to my dealer.
ps. My Spectre II form 3 time was right at 2 months. My Specwar762 (purchased at the same time), didn't ship til today. It took almost 3 months for that form 3. Wow! That sucks! Form 3 wait times have gotten ridiculous. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 5:21:18 PM EDT
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Wow! That sucks! Form 3 wait times have gotten ridiculous. it's not all of them - there was a batch of them submitted in june that got "lost" and ended up taking around 3-4 months others are running normally |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 6:25:16 PM EDT
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Oh well, ordered a Saker in November. Form 3 cleared at the end of December, and the Form 4 sent off on the 2nd of this month. Ha! Just my luck.
Screw it though, have a Harvestor for lightweight bolt guns/hunting, SDN-6, SD 556, and the Saker on the way, I think I will ride these cans out for a while and pick something else in that catagory up in a year or so when the Omega is old news. In the meantime, y'all enjoy the Omega- looks like an awesome can. Now we're they to offer MAAD modules for it, I may go that route. All mine are set up for 51t |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 6:26:56 PM EDT
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Oh well, ordered a Saker in November. Form 3 cleared at the end of December, and the Form 4 sent off on the 2nd of this month. Ha! Just my luck. Screw it though, have a Harvestor for lightweight bolt guns/hunting, SDN-6, SD 556, and the Saker on the way, I think I will ride these cans out for a while and pick something else in that catagory up in a year or so when the Omega is old news. In the meantime, y'all enjoy the Omega- looks like an awesome can. Now we're they to offer MAAD modules for it, I may go that route. All mine are set up for 51t I am in the same boat with a saker, but my other cans are yhm. I'd also have ordered an omega last night if it could be made compatible. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:02:26 PM EDT
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I bet the only thing that would make most of you more upset than the fact that they opted for the ASR mount, would be if you knew that MAAD mounts for the Harvester existed around Silencerco for employees to use on the Harvester (and thus Omega) suppressors. ETA: maybe Big Bore model only?
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet the only thing that would make most of you more upset than the fact that they opted for the ASR mount, would be if you knew that MAAD mounts for the Harvester existed around Silencerco for employees to use on the Harvester (and thus Omega) suppressors. That isn't surprising at all. The reason why they aren't being sold would be interesting to know.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:19:19 PM EDT
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That isn't surprising at all. The reason why they aren't being sold would be interesting to know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet the only thing that would make most of you more upset than the fact that they opted for the ASR mount, would be if you knew that MAAD mounts for the Harvester existed around Silencerco for employees to use on the Harvester (and thus Omega) suppressors. That isn't surprising at all. The reason why they aren't being sold would be interesting to know. I contacted SilencerCo about a ASR mount for the Harvester and they said it wouldn't work because the Harvester isnt wide enough to fit a brake into it. The big bore is wider so it could accommodate the asr brake. Now I didn't ask about the MAAD mount so Waylon spill the beans!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:28:21 PM EDT
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I bet the only thing that would make most of you more upset than the fact that they opted for the ASR mount, would be if you knew that MAAD mounts for the Harvester existed around Silencerco for employees to use on the Harvester (and thus Omega) suppressors. well so much for my length theory, now I'm doubly concerned that they concluded internally that the trifecta maad mount sucks and asr is the future |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:36:39 PM EDT
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I contacted SilencerCo about a ASR mount for the Harvester and they said it wouldn't work because the Harvester isnt wide enough to fit a brake into it. The big bore is wider so it could accommodate the asr brake. Now I didn't ask about the MAAD mount so Waylon spill the beans!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
I contacted SilencerCo about a ASR mount for the Harvester and they said it wouldn't work because the Harvester isnt wide enough to fit a brake into it. The big bore is wider so it could accommodate the asr brake. Now I didn't ask about the MAAD mount so Waylon spill the beans!!!!!!!!!!!! To be fair...it's possibly just the Big Bore for that reason. No real beans to spill. Y'all have to know this stuff goes on. It's just a matter of whether or not they ever want to release them. I've never seen them, and never had anybody at SiCo admit it, but as long as they took to release the ASR and Y-Mount MAAD modules, you know they have stuff they're working on and testing internally. Quoted:
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:48:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well so much for my length theory, now I'm doubly concerned that they concluded internally that the trifecta maad mount sucks and asr is the future Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I bet the only thing that would make most of you more upset than the fact that they opted for the ASR mount, would be if you knew that MAAD mounts for the Harvester existed around Silencerco for employees to use on the Harvester (and thus Omega) suppressors. well so much for my length theory, now I'm doubly concerned that they concluded internally that the trifecta maad mount sucks and asr is the future I think the ASR is a good mount, but my opinion counts for shit. I also think the Gemtech bilock is one of the best mounts on the market too, and lots of people dont agree. As usual, the question of mounts is more often one of opinion. However, the MAAD/Trifecta mount is proven. Other than it being sticky when the flash hider or brake is still new, its rock solid. It doesnt loosen up, it doesnt carbon up significantly, its a true one handed install, and its cheap at 65 bucks a pop. I dont like the size of it, but it is what it is. I think everyone here would say that its better than the ASR mount. The big deal here is that the attachment module is expensive to manufacture for the MAAD system. The ASR module is much cheaper, I would guess. I really believe the ASR module keeps the price down, and since this can is a bit of a hybrid Specwar/Harvester, the price point is ok. Im still not sold on it being a better can than the Saker or the Socom RC, but I think we will know for sure in a few weeks. At the price and weight, I hope its the best fucking rifle can ever made. Im not afraid to buy a few more ASR mounts. Ill never have too many cans. Ever.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 7:52:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/13/2015 8:01:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: part of my concern is rooted in having read various people having issues with the trifecta mount on here, and having now interacted with it in person, I sorta regret not going ASR for my saker/rifles not to say I think that the trifecta is shit, but the asr seems more robust Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: well so much for my length theory, now I'm doubly concerned that they concluded internally that the trifecta maad mount sucks and asr is the future FWIW, I don't think the "Trifecta is junk" theory is anything to worry about. But that's just me. part of my concern is rooted in having read various people having issues with the trifecta mount on here, and having now interacted with it in person, I sorta regret not going ASR for my saker/rifles not to say I think that the trifecta is shit, but the asr seems more robust Silencershop has an original Saker with 10's of thousands of rounds and countless on/off cycles and it is still going strong. I have had no issues thus far with the trifecta either and have no concerns about its robustness. It is built like a brick shithouse.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:23:27 PM EDT
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I have had both of my Sakers with the Trifecta mount get stuck on after being allowed to cool and was able to remove both by simply smacking the mount with my hand a few times. This is the extent of my problems with the Trifecta, it is a very good mounting system and I have no desire to change from it.
I just emailed SiCo asking if they will make the Trifecta mount an option for the Omega, so we will see what they have to say. I don't have a lot of hope, if they were planning on it they would have already announced it. They had to have considered it at some point and decided not to, although they had to know Saker owners would not be happy about it. Hopefully enough Trifecta users will complain loudly enough to get them to change their mind. I am very interested in hearing their reasoning for not offering it though. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:54:42 PM EDT
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Having the Trifecta mount available would make me more likely to buy the Omega. Dont know how much more, but more. But that means in stores and in stock at Brownells and on the SICo website, unlike the MAAD A2 mount. Which I would still purchase. Please. Two.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 9:56:35 PM EDT
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part of my concern is rooted in having read various people having issues with the trifecta mount on here, and having now interacted with it in person, I sorta regret not going ASR for my saker/rifles not to say I think that the trifecta is shit, but the asr seems more robust Quote HistoryQuoted:
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well so much for my length theory, now I'm doubly concerned that they concluded internally that the trifecta maad mount sucks and asr is the future FWIW, I don't think the "Trifecta is junk" theory is anything to worry about. But that's just me. part of my concern is rooted in having read various people having issues with the trifecta mount on here, and having now interacted with it in person, I sorta regret not going ASR for my saker/rifles not to say I think that the trifecta is shit, but the asr seems more robust I also heard and seen of several instances when the asr mount either broke or wore out. There is no perfect mount. I can deal with the asr mount and may still buy a Omega but the whole point of the MAAD mount system is modularity and for the trifecta version is one hand on and off. Can't do any of that with the asr. Just saying. |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:01:45 PM EDT
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Maybe the early release besides attention was to get feedback and make decisions on what extra offerings in the form of accessories to launch into production for release???
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:22:01 PM EDT
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I'm interested to get some real-world metering on this thing.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 10:44:35 PM EDT
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If the objective was to make a lightweight suppressor then that rules the MAAD mount out so that is no surprise.
I had planned on ordering a Saker K 5.56 for my wife because my Saker 7.62 is a little on the heavy side!
Now with this I have to decide which way to go.
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Posted: 1/13/2015 11:59:03 PM EDT
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Don't ask me who told me or where I heard this but the real reason SC doesn't plant to do a trifecta mount in the near future is to prevent pulling sales away from the sakers. Having heard this directly from my source, I would put a large sum of money that this is the main reason for no maad mount. Not to say they won't do one 6-12 months down the road when the demand for the omega dies down :/ I'm just as bummed as you guys as I am heavily invested in maad brakes/fh. Maybe if we keep the pressure on them they might change their minds but doubt it as I truely belive they were expecting this kinda pressure on the issue but will stick to their guns. $$$$ makes the world go round. As a huge SC fan boy it's dishartening to see what's happening with this and the the bag/pouch situation. That being said I still think they are one of the best if not the best can makers on the market.
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:08:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't ask me who told me or where I heard this but the real reason SC doesn't plant to do a trifecta mount in the near future is prevent pulling sales away from the saker. Having heard this directly from my source I would put a large sum of money that this is the main reason for no maad mount. Not to say they won't do one 6-12 months down the road when the demand dies down :/ I'm just as bummed as you guys as I am heavily invested in maad brakes/fh. Maybe if we keep the pressure on them they might change their minds but doubt it as I truely belive they were expecting this kinda pressure on the issue but will stick to their guns. $$$$ makes the world go round. Anyway, they are really going to have to redesign the MAAD module because the Omega doesnt have any means to hold it steady while you torque an adapter on. While I have a Saker and love it, I have no problem with the ASR.
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:11:57 AM EDT
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I have had both of my Sakers with the Trifecta mount get stuck on after being allowed to cool and was able to remove both by simply smacking the mount with my hand a few times. This is the extent of my problems with the Trifecta, it is a very good mounting system and I have no desire to change from it. I just emailed SiCo asking if they will make the Trifecta mount an option for the Omega, so we will see what they have to say. I don't have a lot of hope, if they were planning on it they would have already announced it. They had to have considered it at some point and decided not to, although they had to know Saker owners would not be happy about it. Hopefully enough Trifecta users will complain loudly enough to get them to change their mind. I am very interested in hearing their reasoning for not offering it though. consider this my complaint. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:19:58 AM EDT
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Eh. Join date, post count. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't ask me who told me or where I heard this but the real reason SC doesn't plant to do a trifecta mount in the near future is prevent pulling sales away from the saker. Having heard this directly from my source I would put a large sum of money that this is the main reason for no maad mount. Not to say they won't do one 6-12 months down the road when the demand dies down :/ I'm just as bummed as you guys as I am heavily invested in maad brakes/fh. Maybe if we keep the pressure on them they might change their minds but doubt it as I truely belive they were expecting this kinda pressure on the issue but will stick to their guns. $$$$ makes the world go round. ive been a member since 2010 when I used his forum to build my first rifle but I guess due to inactivity it gets reset. I'm not really a poster, more of a reader just thought Ide share what I learned today. I'll be using my Omega on a precision rig, so curious to test poi with direct thread vs Asr |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:26:02 AM EDT
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Eh. Join date, post count. Would it help if I told you I was given basically that same info earlier this afternoon by somebody that just walked out of a meeting with the Silencerco guys? That same opinion was also voiced by one of the SS guys in their Industry Forum. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:34:27 AM EDT
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Would it help if I told you I was given basically that same info earlier this afternoon by somebody that just walked out of a meeting with the Silencerco guys? That same opinion was also voiced by one of the SS guys in their Industry Forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Eh. Join date, post count. Would it help if I told you I was given basically that same info earlier this afternoon by somebody that just walked out of a meeting with the Silencerco guys? That same opinion was also voiced by one of the SS guys in their Industry Forum. I'm pretty sure we have the same source lol
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:36:53 AM EDT
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Would it help if I told you I was given basically that same info earlier this afternoon by somebody that just walked out of a meeting with the Silencerco guys? That same opinion was also voiced by one of the SS guys in their Industry Forum. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Eh. Join date, post count. Would it help if I told you I was given basically that same info earlier this afternoon by somebody that just walked out of a meeting with the Silencerco guys? That same opinion was also voiced by one of the SS guys in their Industry Forum. now I feel better |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:48:08 AM EDT
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The maad mount is a easy fix, it will take a male to male coupling adapter to make the maad module fit to the Omega. I will be making one of these if the maad option is not out yet by the time mine gets out of jail. My reason for this is to have a one hand operation to shroud it under the handguard and be able to take it off and slap it on another rifle without messing around changing from direct thread to asr mount.
The only thing that sucks is the added weight and length to the can by adding the maad mount. I have two sakers and all my rifles have the maad system, this will just make it easy for me to swap around. The db rating is outstanding for this Omega can, i'm really looking forward to getting it. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 12:54:08 AM EDT
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The maad mount is a easy fix, it will take a male to male coupling adapter to make the maad module fit to the Omega. I will be making one of these if the maad option is not out yet by the time mine gets out of jail. My reason for this is to have a one hand operation to shroud it under the handguard and be able to take it off and slap it on another rifle without messing around changing from direct thread to asr mount. I have two sakers and all my rifles have the maad system, this will just make it easy for me to swap around. The db rating is outstanding for this Omega can, i'm really looking forward to getting it. I was just trying to figure this out in my head lol ones "female" threads and the other "male" threads. If only I had the machinery/skill/materials to make this happen. The hard part I would imaging is since there's nothing to shoulder to getting perfect bore alignment would be difficult. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 1:00:32 AM EDT
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I was just trying to figure this out in my head lol ones "female" threads and the other "male" threads. If only I had the machinery/skill/materials to make this happen. The hard part I would imaging is since there's nothing to shoulder to getting perfect bore alignment would be difficult. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The maad mount is a easy fix, it will take a male to male coupling adapter to make the maad module fit to the Omega. I will be making one of these if the maad option is not out yet by the time mine gets out of jail. My reason for this is to have a one hand operation to shroud it under the handguard and be able to take it off and slap it on another rifle without messing around changing from direct thread to asr mount. I have two sakers and all my rifles have the maad system, this will just make it easy for me to swap around. The db rating is outstanding for this Omega can, i'm really looking forward to getting it. I was just trying to figure this out in my head lol ones "female" threads and the other "male" threads. If only I had the machinery/skill/materials to make this happen. The hard part I would imaging is since there's nothing to shoulder to getting perfect bore alignment would be difficult. It will have a shoulder in the middle accepting those spanner wrenches supplied. So little slots will be machined. That way you can tighten the adapter on then tighten the maad mount. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 1:06:23 AM EDT
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It will have a shoulder in the middle accepting those spanner wrenches supplied. So little slots will be machined. That way you can tighten the adapter on then tighten the maad mount. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The maad mount is a easy fix, it will take a male to male coupling adapter to make the maad module fit to the Omega. I will be making one of these if the maad option is not out yet by the time mine gets out of jail. My reason for this is to have a one hand operation to shroud it under the handguard and be able to take it off and slap it on another rifle without messing around changing from direct thread to asr mount. I have two sakers and all my rifles have the maad system, this will just make it easy for me to swap around. The db rating is outstanding for this Omega can, i'm really looking forward to getting it. I was just trying to figure this out in my head lol ones "female" threads and the other "male" threads. If only I had the machinery/skill/materials to make this happen. The hard part I would imaging is since there's nothing to shoulder to getting perfect bore alignment would be difficult. It will have a shoulder in the middle accepting those spanner wrenches supplied. So little slots will be machined. That way you can tighten the adapter on then tighten the maad mount. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 1:08:01 AM EDT
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Here is the email I just received from SiCo regarding the Omega and Trifecta mount compatibility.
"dvp18, at this time we will not be making the Omega compatible with the Saker mounting system. The designed of the Omega required a larger mounting system, the big bore direct thread and the ASR mounts fit that need. Please feel free to contact us should you have any further questions |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 1:24:55 AM EDT
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The maad mount is a easy fix, it will take a male to male coupling adapter to make the maad module fit to the Omega. I will be making one of these if the maad option is not out yet by the time mine gets out of jail. My reason for this is to have a one hand operation to shroud it under the handguard and be able to take it off and slap it on another rifle without messing around changing from direct thread to asr mount. I have two sakers and all my rifles have the maad system, this will just make it easy for me to swap around. The db rating is outstanding for this Omega can, i'm really looking forward to getting it. I was just trying to figure this out in my head lol ones "female" threads and the other "male" threads. If only I had the machinery/skill/materials to make this happen. The hard part I would imaging is since there's nothing to shoulder to getting perfect bore alignment would be difficult. It will have a shoulder in the middle accepting those spanner wrenches supplied. So little slots will be machined. That way you can tighten the adapter on then tighten the maad mount. Will do, I'm thinking they will end up coming out with a mount soon. There are too many of us maad users. |
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Posted: 1/14/2015 2:19:08 AM EDT
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