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Posted: 7/22/2014 11:25:52 PM EDT
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I question the durability and longevity of attaching to internal choke threads. That's a lot of weight and torque being applied to very shallow, thin threads. I somewhat agree. I think an external mounting system may be a better idea, though I don't think they have released any information on the length and intensity of testing that was performed utilizing the internal choke threading. I would assume that they wouldn't release a product that would eventually damage the host weapon. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:22:05 AM EDT
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A shotgun choke is a very long cylinder with a very precise fit into the barrel it is installed. I would offer that all the threads do is prevent the choke from coming out, and all lateral forces would be transferred from the choke cylinder to the barrel independent of the threads. It's also a common way to install breaching attachments.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:58:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:32:07 AM EDT
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A shotgun choke is a very long cylinder with a very precise fit into the barrel it is installed. I would offer that all the threads do is prevent the choke from coming out, and all lateral forces would be transferred from the choke cylinder to the barrel independent of the threads. It's also a common way to install breaching attachments. I agree with this. The weight and strain isn't on the threads. The choke wedges itself inside the barrel and all the force is pressed outwards distributing the load to the barrel. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 2:35:02 AM EDT
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A shotgun choke is a very long cylinder with a very precise fit into the barrel it is installed. I would offer that all the threads do is prevent the choke from coming out, and all lateral forces would be transferred from the choke cylinder to the barrel independent of the threads. It's also a common way to install breaching attachments. Agreed, but two things make this application quite different. Gases impacting baffles of an attached suppressor are going to yank on the choke threads substantially more than a simple choke would. And while I haven't seen any specs on the can, it will add a weight element that far exceeds what the choke threads were designed to handle. If anyone remembers Great Lakes Arsenal's attempt at recreating the Vietnam-era Navy SEAL duckbill choke,it was determined that these had to be silver soldered to the muzzle because they wouldn't last more than a few rounds as a screw-in choke application. They would break free of the choke threads and launch down range. Not questioning the R&D at all, SilencerCo knows what they're doing. This is just my first thought on the idea of using factory choke threads for this purpose. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 5:41:29 AM EDT
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Does this suppressor have an internal tube with holes to guide the shot but at the same time allow expanding gasses into the baffles? Has this can been metered? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bought one of these frommRJF. It worked pretty good on my SBS http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b96/leondana/6b18ed6d.jpg Does this suppressor have an internal tube with holes to guide the shot but at the same time allow expanding gasses into the baffles? Has this can been metered? Yes you are correct. I could shoot my 8" Tromix indoors without earplugs FWIW..
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Posted: 7/23/2014 6:18:50 AM EDT
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Agreed, but two things make this application quite different. Gases impacting baffles of an attached suppressor are going to yank on the choke threads substantially more than a simple choke would. And while I haven't seen any specs on the can, it will add a weight element that far exceeds what the choke threads were designed to handle. If anyone remembers Great Lakes Arsenal's attempt at recreating the Vietnam-era Navy SEAL duckbill choke,it was determined that these had to be silver soldered to the muzzle because they wouldn't last more than a few rounds as a screw-in choke application. They would break free of the choke threads and launch down range. Not questioning the R&D at all, SilencerCo knows what they're doing. This is just my first thought on the idea of using factory choke threads for this purpose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A shotgun choke is a very long cylinder with a very precise fit into the barrel it is installed. I would offer that all the threads do is prevent the choke from coming out, and all lateral forces would be transferred from the choke cylinder to the barrel independent of the threads. It's also a common way to install breaching attachments. Agreed, but two things make this application quite different. Gases impacting baffles of an attached suppressor are going to yank on the choke threads substantially more than a simple choke would. And while I haven't seen any specs on the can, it will add a weight element that far exceeds what the choke threads were designed to handle. If anyone remembers Great Lakes Arsenal's attempt at recreating the Vietnam-era Navy SEAL duckbill choke,it was determined that these had to be silver soldered to the muzzle because they wouldn't last more than a few rounds as a screw-in choke application. They would break free of the choke threads and launch down range. Not questioning the R&D at all, SilencerCo knows what they're doing. This is just my first thought on the idea of using factory choke threads for this purpose. I tend to agree. Perhaps the adapter uses the outside of the barrel as support? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 7:24:15 AM EDT
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Agreed, but two things make this application quite different. Gases impacting baffles of an attached suppressor are going to yank on the choke threads substantially more than a simple choke would. And while I haven't seen any specs on the can, it will add a weight element that far exceeds what the choke threads were designed to handle. If anyone remembers Great Lakes Arsenal's attempt at recreating the Vietnam-era Navy SEAL duckbill choke,it was determined that these had to be silver soldered to the muzzle because they wouldn't last more than a few rounds as a screw-in choke application. They would break free of the choke threads and launch down range. Not questioning the R&D at all, SilencerCo knows what they're doing. This is just my first thought on the idea of using factory choke threads for this purpose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A shotgun choke is a very long cylinder with a very precise fit into the barrel it is installed. I would offer that all the threads do is prevent the choke from coming out, and all lateral forces would be transferred from the choke cylinder to the barrel independent of the threads. It's also a common way to install breaching attachments. Agreed, but two things make this application quite different. Gases impacting baffles of an attached suppressor are going to yank on the choke threads substantially more than a simple choke would. And while I haven't seen any specs on the can, it will add a weight element that far exceeds what the choke threads were designed to handle. If anyone remembers Great Lakes Arsenal's attempt at recreating the Vietnam-era Navy SEAL duckbill choke,it was determined that these had to be silver soldered to the muzzle because they wouldn't last more than a few rounds as a screw-in choke application. They would break free of the choke threads and launch down range. Not questioning the R&D at all, SilencerCo knows what they're doing. This is just my first thought on the idea of using factory choke threads for this purpose. I would think the duckbills were also taking the force of the shot. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:31:07 AM EDT
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I'm interested in buying one if these if there is a mount system for a SBS.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:21:44 PM EDT
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I question the durability and longevity of attaching to internal choke threads. That's a lot of weight and torque being applied to very shallow, thin threads. I'm quite sure that 3.5" magnum loads of steel shot through a full choke are MUCH more stressful than 2 pounds of suppressor hanging off the end. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 12:35:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2014 1:22:59 PM EDT
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I would be interested in finding out how many rounds before you should tighten the silencer back down, being that it is large, heavy, and threaded on.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:16:20 PM EDT
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Wonder if they are going to be making adapters for the KSG.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:48:53 PM EDT
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Wonder if they are going to be making adapters for the KSG. I was curious about this too. But I'm sure sending the barrel in for choke threading would be the answer. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 3:50:51 PM EDT
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I'm interested in buying one if these if there is a mount system for a SBS. Get your barrel threaded. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:05:45 PM EDT
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Getting ready to send mine off to him for this exact build within the next week and wondering the same thing. I called today but didn't get a chance to talk to him. Ill probably call or email tomorrow and see what he thinks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will this work with one of Tromix's 8 inch Saiga's? If not I'm sure Tony will find a way.  Getting ready to send mine off to him for this exact build within the next week and wondering the same thing. I called today but didn't get a chance to talk to him. Ill probably call or email tomorrow and see what he thinks. So I spoke with Tony today & he's aware of this new suppressor & was going to email SiCo to let them know just how large the Saiga market is & that they better plan on making a choke adapter for it. Apparently from the rumors, it sounds like SiCo is already looking into making one for the Saiga platform. Can anyone from SiCo confirm this & have an anticipated availability date? Tony said that he uses the standard Saiga barrel & everything so as long as they make a choke with external threads, us Saiga owners should be good to go. I'm thinking of the Tromix S17 w/ 8" barrel & 8" SiCo suppressor 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:07:57 PM EDT
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I would be interested in finding out how many rounds before you should tighten the silencer back down, being that it is large, heavy, and threaded on. We'll, a loose suppressor is always bad, but using factory choke threads does provide one major advantage in that it will largely eliminate barrel concentricity issues. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:39:27 PM EDT
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I don't think I saw anybody else post the link, but here's a pretty good write-up by soldiersystems.net.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 4:59:42 PM EDT
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I don't think I saw anybody else post the link, but here's a pretty good write-up by soldiersystems.net. Good grab. Thanks. That multicam anodizing is sexy as hell. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 5:28:14 PM EDT
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I wonder if they plan on making a Gen_2 out of titanium , to make it lighter? Maybe a package deal were you get all four lengths, comes in a pelican case, with maybe alittle SilencerCo swag or some kind of deal?? Can we SilencerCo for a Q&A thread? |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 5:53:17 PM EDT
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Good grab. Thanks. That multicam anodizing is sexy as hell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think I saw anybody else post the link, but here's a pretty good write-up by soldiersystems.net. Good grab. Thanks. That multicam anodizing is sexy as hell.
How in the blue fuck are they anodizing multicam and shutupandyakemymoney.jpg |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 8:00:45 PM EDT
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As a general rule, I'll be getting one...I guess it's time to pony up. My dept. allows personal suppressors for duty use as long as they are qualified with the appropriate documentation...bet I'll be the only guy rocking a suppressed shotty!
Time to SBS a Benelli... |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 8:30:19 PM EDT
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I have a 14" Benelli M4 I might have to get one of these for.
First, I'll have to see who can thread the chrome plated barrel for a choke. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:01:01 PM EDT
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THIS dove hunting is what's fucked up my hearing more than anything else (and shotguns are the only things I shoot unsuppressed) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shut. Up. Take my money. THIS dove hunting is what's fucked up my hearing more than anything else (and shotguns are the only things I shoot unsuppressed) Yup. Im totally going to get one. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:13:03 PM EDT
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Multicam anodized
 So much want!!!!
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:21:37 PM EDT
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How in the blue fuck are they anodizing multicam and shutupandyakemymoney.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think I saw anybody else post the link, but here's a pretty good write-up by soldiersystems.net. Good grab. Thanks. That multicam anodizing is sexy as hell.
How in the blue fuck are they anodizing multicam and shutupandyakemymoney.jpg Probably Type II anodizing. People have been doing all kinds of crazy patterns. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:43:02 PM EDT
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Don't know if it's been posted but you can joing the waiting list over at SilencerShop. $1400
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Posted: 7/23/2014 9:44:06 PM EDT
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I imagine these will be selling for full retail for awhile. I am not in any hurry and will let you all buy yours first.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:18:52 PM EDT
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Here's quick video we took at the SilencerCo event. The audio does a decent job of representing reality. (edited to correct link)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-DpWXnuJA&list=UUSRUVUiI2kt3qvnMESK9O0w And a couple of pics for you too. 
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:27:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's quick video we took at the SilencerCo event. The audio does a decent job of representing reality.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca-DpWXnuJA |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 10:52:45 PM EDT
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Why do people insist on shooting at steel in silencer videos?
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:00:39 PM EDT
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I suppose well eventually need a "Suppressed Shotgun Picture Thread".
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:43:13 PM EDT
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I imagine these will be selling for full retail for awhile. I am not in any hurry and will let you all buy yours first. I don't think so, Silencer Shop didn't sell the Saker 7.62 at retail a few months ago when demand was high. I bet the SS price is around $1000-1100, at least I hope so, I don't know that I will buy it at $1400 plus stamp and sales tax. That would put the final price around $1700 for those of us in Texas. |
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Posted: 7/23/2014 11:55:43 PM EDT
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Why do people insist on shooting at steel in silencer videos? So you can hear the ding. 
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:22:51 AM EDT
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I don't think so, Silencer Shop didn't sell the Saker 7.62 at retail a few months ago when demand was high. I bet the SS price is around $1000-1100, at least I hope so, I don't know that I will buy it at $1400 plus stamp and sales tax. That would put the final price around $1700 for those of us in Texas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I imagine these will be selling for full retail for awhile. I am not in any hurry and will let you all buy yours first. I don't think so, Silencer Shop didn't sell the Saker 7.62 at retail a few months ago when demand was high. I bet the SS price is around $1000-1100, at least I hope so, I don't know that I will buy it at $1400 plus stamp and sales tax. That would put the final price around $1700 for those of us in Texas. As mentioned by another poster but here is the link. At this time it is listed at $1400 on Silencer Shop's site. http://www.silencershop.com/shop/category/silencers/shotgun/ |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 2:37:49 AM EDT
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I'll bet that price changes before you can actually order one. Since it was just announced I'm sure they have not decided on an actual price point yet and are just listing MSRP for the time being.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:14:28 AM EDT
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My dealer quoted me $1082 for the can and $248 for the choke adaptor. $1330 total.
ETA: the $248 is for 3 choke adaptorS |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:36:57 AM EDT
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My dealer quoted me $1082 for the can and $248 for the choke adaptor. $1330 total. $248 for the choke adaptor? fuuuuuck |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:43:36 AM EDT
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$248 for the choke adaptor? fuuuuuck Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My dealer quoted me $1082 for the can and $248 for the choke adaptor. $1330 total. $248 for the choke adaptor? fuuuuuck No way that can be correct... |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 11:47:00 AM EDT
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My dealer quoted me $1082 for the can and $248 for the choke adaptor. $1330 total. I love the idea of this can, but it's going to have to wait for a while. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:21:37 PM EDT
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The soldiersystems article says it's $300 for the three choke set. I'm betting the $248 is for a set of 3.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 12:39:33 PM EDT
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The soldiersystems article says it's $300 for the three choke set. I'm betting the $248 is for a set of 3. That would make sense. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:07:54 PM EDT
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The soldiersystems article says it's $300 for the three choke set. I'm betting the $248 is for a set of 3. Meaning one IC/MOD/FULL package maybe? But then you still have to separately buy the kits to change lengths. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:14:53 PM EDT
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Meaning one IC/MOD/FULL package maybe? But then you still have to separately buy the kits to change lengths. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The soldiersystems article says it's $300 for the three choke set. I'm betting the $248 is for a set of 3. Meaning one IC/MOD/FULL package maybe? But then you still have to separately buy the kits to change lengths. Change the length of the suppressor? I always thought that having extra baffles laying around was a no no. Unless I misinterpreted what you're saying... ETA: Just went on Silencerco and read it again. I see what you're talking about, it says the suppressor is modular and you can change the length. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:19:14 PM EDT
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Meaning one IC/MOD/FULL package maybe? But then you still have to separately buy the kits to change lengths. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The soldiersystems article says it's $300 for the three choke set. I'm betting the $248 is for a set of 3. Meaning one IC/MOD/FULL package maybe? But then you still have to separately buy the kits to change lengths. Yes, one pack of 3 chokes. No, no kits needed to change lengths. You buy a 12" suppressor that you can shorten to 10, 8 or 6. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:26:25 PM EDT
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Yes, one pack of 3 chokes. No, no kits needed to change lengths. You buy a 12" suppressor that you can shorten to 10, 8 or 6. Correct. The explanation was ATF allows you to shorten a suppressor, but not lengthen. So, you buy the 12" can and run it with whatever setup you want based on desired length/weight/noise reduction. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:02:31 PM EDT
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Correct. The explanation was ATF allows you to shorten a suppressor, but not lengthen. So, you buy the 12" can and run it with whatever setup you want based on desired length/weight/noise reduction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, one pack of 3 chokes. No, no kits needed to change lengths. You buy a 12" suppressor that you can shorten to 10, 8 or 6. Correct. The explanation was ATF allows you to shorten a suppressor, but not lengthen. So, you buy the 12" can and run it with whatever setup you want based on desired length/weight/noise reduction. wow |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:17:03 PM EDT
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I'm quite sure that 3.5" magnum loads of steel shot through a full choke are MUCH more stressful than 2 pounds of suppressor hanging off the end. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I question the durability and longevity of attaching to internal choke threads. That's a lot of weight and torque being applied to very shallow, thin threads. I'm quite sure that 3.5" magnum loads of steel shot through a full choke are MUCH more stressful than 2 pounds of suppressor hanging off the end. I have no way to measure it but that was the first thing that came to me as well. How about the 3.5" Turkey kick your ass loads through those XFull chokes?? Got to be hard on the system. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 5:04:54 PM EDT
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The design is brilliant. I would sometimes wonder what the best way to suppress a shotgun would be, and I never even came close to a track system for the wad to ride through the suppressor on.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:00:09 PM EDT
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Change the length of the suppressor? I always thought that having extra baffles laying around was a no no. Unless I misinterpreted what you're saying... ETA: Just went on Silencerco and read it again. I see what you're talking about, it says the suppressor is modular and you can change the length. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The soldiersystems article says it's $300 for the three choke set. I'm betting the $248 is for a set of 3. Meaning one IC/MOD/FULL package maybe? But then you still have to separately buy the kits to change lengths. Change the length of the suppressor? I always thought that having extra baffles laying around was a no no. Unless I misinterpreted what you're saying... ETA: Just went on Silencerco and read it again. I see what you're talking about, it says the suppressor is modular and you can change the length. Yup, pretty cool design. They sell it as a 12" suppressor so you can make it shorter but it will never be longer than 12". I think it's a pretty neat suppressor. |
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