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Posted: 4/5/2014 4:22:39 PM EDT
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I'm surprised no one has made the assumption that they took it down due to the ATF is going to jam and ram 41p through by rubber stamping a response to the majority of the comments and answer the handful of comments, individually. You didn't read the comments then. We've (I have) already said that. |
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Posted: 4/5/2014 5:15:32 PM EDT
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Wanna bet the site is not up until after the 41P ruling? Maybe after the Elections in the fall? I stand corrected... 
I'm sure this is at least part of the reason it's down... |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 2:50:16 PM EDT
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Shit....I got in 3 suppressors last week at my dealer and went there this week to get the e-file stuff done but he was having some troubles and said he'll keep trying. And now it's down, that sucks.
Now what am I supposed to do? Paper forms and wait a year plus, or wait and see if they come back up? |
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Posted: 4/6/2014 3:16:11 PM EDT
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Shit....I got in 3 suppressors last week at my dealer and went there this week to get the e-file stuff done but he was having some troubles and said he'll keep trying. And now it's down, that sucks. Now what am I supposed to do? Paper forms and wait a year plus, or wait and see if they come back up? Paper, man. Get them submitted and in pending status. Don't dick around waiting for the B-Gay-TFE to get the system up and running. If they do get their shit together and wait times plummet, you could always cancel your paper form, get a refund, and e-file. Of course, this really only gives the B-Gay-TFE about 4 months to get it going to make it worthwhile. So, I would just get the process moving. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 7:02:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You didn't read the comments then. We've (I have) already said that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm surprised no one has made the assumption that they took it down due to the ATF is going to jam and ram 41p through by rubber stamping a response to the majority of the comments and answer the handful of comments, individually. You didn't read the comments then. We've (I have) already said that. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 7:12:53 AM EDT
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Paper, man. Get them submitted and in pending status. Don't dick around waiting for the B-Gay-TFE to get the system up and running. If they do get their shit together and wait times plummet, you could always cancel your paper form, get a refund, and e-file. Of course, this really only gives the B-Gay-TFE about 4 months to get it going to make it worthwhile. So, I would just get the process moving. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shit....I got in 3 suppressors last week at my dealer and went there this week to get the e-file stuff done but he was having some troubles and said he'll keep trying. And now it's down, that sucks. Now what am I supposed to do? Paper forms and wait a year plus, or wait and see if they come back up? Paper, man. Get them submitted and in pending status. Don't dick around waiting for the B-Gay-TFE to get the system up and running. If they do get their shit together and wait times plummet, you could always cancel your paper form, get a refund, and e-file. Of course, this really only gives the B-Gay-TFE about 4 months to get it going to make it worthwhile. So, I would just get the process moving. When eForms went up the first time they made any paper form that was cancelled subject to a 7 month wait before resubmittal to stop that exact thing. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 7:15:52 AM EDT
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The eforms website is more than just form 1's and 4's. There are plenty of forms that are available to submit on the website that have no bearing on 41P. They didn't shut the entire site down for the blockage of 2 forms. Especially when it doesn't stop someone from paper filing with a trust. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm surprised no one has made the assumption that they took it down due to the ATF is going to jam and ram 41p through by rubber stamping a response to the majority of the comments and answer the handful of comments, individually. You didn't read the comments then. We've (I have) already said that. Dude, did you forget to put on your tin foil hat? 
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Posted: 4/7/2014 8:49:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, did you forget to put on your tin foil hat? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm surprised no one has made the assumption that they took it down due to the ATF is going to jam and ram 41p through by rubber stamping a response to the majority of the comments and answer the handful of comments, individually. You didn't read the comments then. We've (I have) already said that. Dude, did you forget to put on your tin foil hat? |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 12:15:07 PM EDT
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Spoke with someone at SS today. They said the ATF is giving them a 2-3 week outage on the eforms site. Now to see if they can actually follow through with what they told SS.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 12:37:04 PM EDT
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Spoke with someone at SS today. They said the ATF is giving them a 2-3 week outage on the eforms site. Now to see if they can actually follow through with what they told SS. What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:34:15 PM EDT
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What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:52:56 PM EDT
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Interesting.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 1:58:27 PM EDT
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What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Spoke with someone at SS today. They said the ATF is giving them a 2-3 week outage on the eforms site. Now to see if they can actually follow through with what they told SS. What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. You're most likely looking 90 days + for paper form 3. Just wait and SS will get it submitted as soon as they can and then you're only looking at 30 days +. You should still come out a month a head by doing it this way. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 2:13:22 PM EDT
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When eForms went up the first time they made any paper form that was cancelled subject to a 7 month wait before resubmittal to stop that exact thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Shit....I got in 3 suppressors last week at my dealer and went there this week to get the e-file stuff done but he was having some troubles and said he'll keep trying. And now it's down, that sucks. Now what am I supposed to do? Paper forms and wait a year plus, or wait and see if they come back up? Paper, man. Get them submitted and in pending status. Don't dick around waiting for the B-Gay-TFE to get the system up and running. If they do get their shit together and wait times plummet, you could always cancel your paper form, get a refund, and e-file. Of course, this really only gives the B-Gay-TFE about 4 months to get it going to make it worthwhile. So, I would just get the process moving. When eForms went up the first time they made any paper form that was cancelled subject to a 7 month wait before resubmittal to stop that exact thing. Interesting. Did not know that. This uncertainty is a pain in the ass. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 2:39:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhen eForms went up the first time they made any paper form that was cancelled subject to a 7 month wait before resubmittal to stop that exact thing. Was this discussed on here? Not calling you out but this is the first I heard of this. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 2:57:48 PM EDT
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Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. I hope that's true! My can showed up to my dealer the day after eforms went down. Kinda torn whether I should submit the paper forms now, or hold on for a few weeks and see what happens with eforms. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 4:33:21 PM EDT
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I hope that's true! My can showed up to my dealer the day after eforms went down. Kinda torn whether I should submit the paper forms now, or hold on for a few weeks and see what happens with eforms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. I hope that's true! My can showed up to my dealer the day after eforms went down. Kinda torn whether I should submit the paper forms now, or hold on for a few weeks and see what happens with eforms. Ugh I am in the same boat. I have four form 4s in my hand can't decide if I should snail mail or wait and see if efile comes back online. 
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Posted: 4/7/2014 4:44:25 PM EDT
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Ugh I am in the same boat. I have four form 4s in my hand can't decide if I should snail mail or wait and see if efile comes back online. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. I hope that's true! My can showed up to my dealer the day after eforms went down. Kinda torn whether I should submit the paper forms now, or hold on for a few weeks and see what happens with eforms. Ugh I am in the same boat. I have four form 4s in my hand can't decide if I should snail mail or wait and see if efile comes back online. If I were you I'd wait. I doubt too many people are going to be submitting paper forms over the next few weeks with possibility of eforms being back up in a bit. |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 5:23:01 PM EDT
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What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Spoke with someone at SS today. They said the ATF is giving them a 2-3 week outage on the eforms site. Now to see if they can actually follow through with what they told SS. What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. what the hell do you want them to do, its your Form, tell them what you want |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 6:49:04 PM EDT
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I'm sure I'll get pummeled because this was probably answered earlier...
Any chance this down time is being used to revamp the site to accommodate the executive orders? |
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Posted: 4/7/2014 8:58:55 PM EDT
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I am in the same boat as most here. I have two form 4's that were supposed to be submitted last week. Now I'm just going to wait a few weeks before paper filing. If it's a 9-12 month wait for paper then holding off another three weeks won't matter to me.
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Posted: 4/7/2014 9:10:22 PM EDT
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I am in the same boat as most here. I have two form 4's that were supposed to be submitted last week. Now I'm just going to wait a few weeks before paper filing. If it's a 9-12 month wait for paper then holding off another three weeks won't matter to me. The sad thing for me is I thought my dealer had e-filled and just mailed me a copy of it. This was last month on the 7th, but they had mailed me the two copys of each to send in if I realized that was the case I would have called back then before the system went down. I am now all ready a month behind so do I keep waiting for efile and just put the damn things in the mail..... I would have been more on top of it but I was out of town for almost 3 weeks last month and didn't really think much of it.
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Posted: 4/8/2014 6:26:32 AM EDT
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Was this discussed on here? Not calling you out but this is the first I heard of this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
When eForms went up the first time they made any paper form that was cancelled subject to a 7 month wait before resubmittal to stop that exact thing. Was this discussed on here? Not calling you out but this is the first I heard of this. I heard it from prebans, one of our resident expert SOTs, in an offline conversation. I brought up the possibility of doing just this and he told me ATF had said it was a no-go when eForms first came online. I am not sure if 7 months is an exact timeframe or if it was instead some kind of rolling window or something else. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 10:20:36 AM EDT
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Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. I guess I'll wait a month and see....I wish you guys were doing the direct thing a month ago though, this would be a lot easier
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Posted: 4/8/2014 10:45:08 AM EDT
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Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. Mark, Don't confuse my Saker 7.62 order with his! 
I would prefer to wait 3 weeks to submit by eForm as it should still be faster.
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Posted: 4/8/2014 11:29:01 AM EDT
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When eForms went up the first time they made any paper form that was cancelled subject to a 7 month wait before resubmittal to stop that exact thing. None of my customers experienced that. They saved months canceling paper and doing an eform. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 11:35:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. Quote HistoryQuoted: What is SS doing with Form 3's in the meantime? I just bought a Saker 762 from them and hope they don't sit around waiting for eforms to come back online. Since we have it on pretty good authority that eForms will be back online in 2-3 weeks, we are going to hold off submitting forms until the system comes back online. If, however, you would like us to submit your form 3 via paper application, just give us a call at the shop and we'll be happy to do that for you. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 12:04:42 PM EDT
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Anyone think there will be a quicker turn around for current pending eforms?
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Posted: 4/8/2014 1:03:15 PM EDT
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Anyone think there will be a quicker turn around for current pending eforms? Assuming it's the expected FIFO system, no...approvals will continue to get longer, and then come to a halt when the submission dates meet the last date they were approved. Only decrease in time would be due to the fact the system was so slow for the last month or so that forms weren't getting submitted. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 2:10:27 PM EDT
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2 more cans and I'll be able to wipe my hands clean of this garbage..... I swear, I can quite this stamp addiction anytime!
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Posted: 4/8/2014 4:01:55 PM EDT
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Assuming it's the expected FIFO system, no...approvals will continue to get longer, and then come to a halt when the submission dates meet the last date they were approved. Only decrease in time would be due to the fact the system was so slow for the last month or so that forms weren't getting submitted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone think there will be a quicker turn around for current pending eforms? Assuming it's the expected FIFO system, no...approvals will continue to get longer, and then come to a halt when the submission dates meet the last date they were approved. Only decrease in time would be due to the fact the system was so slow for the last month or so that forms weren't getting submitted. Why would approvals get longer if there are no eforms being submitted? |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 4:17:26 PM EDT
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Why would approvals get longer if there are no eforms being submitted? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone think there will be a quicker turn around for current pending eforms? Assuming it's the expected FIFO system, no...approvals will continue to get longer, and then come to a halt when the submission dates meet the last date they were approved. Only decrease in time would be due to the fact the system was so slow for the last month or so that forms weren't getting submitted. Why would approvals get longer if there are no eforms being submitted? I was wondering the same thing. |
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Posted: 4/8/2014 5:15:47 PM EDT
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Why would approvals get longer if there are no eforms being submitted? Two reasons: 1. Doesn't matter what the input level is today...it's what it was 110-140 days ago, which was massive because the early 90-day approvals had just come through and everybody realized how much faster EForms could be. The approval times have consistently increased since the first approvals came through. Assuming the examiners don't start working any faster, the approval time frames will continue to get longer because more and more forms were submitted along the way. (The only relief here is at some point EForms performed so slow that the number of applications started to drop). 2. Human nature...if they know nothing else is coming down the pipe, why in the world would they speed up? #1 is the real issue...#2 is just my opinion of people, especially those on government payrolls. 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 4:56:05 AM EDT
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None of my customers experienced that. They saved months canceling paper and doing an eform. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When eForms went up the first time they made any paper form that was cancelled subject to a 7 month wait before resubmittal to stop that exact thing. None of my customers experienced that. They saved months canceling paper and doing an eform. Great so that either means this was an examiner-specific issue, or it was something the ATF told SOTs who asked, but they really had no way to enforce it? Now that I think about it that makes a lot of sense seeing as once the form is cancelled I doubt the system is designed so they can put a block on a S/N for a specific timeframe. So the moral of the story might be "it is better to ask forgiveness than permission?"
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:41:53 AM EDT
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I was wondering the same thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone think there will be a quicker turn around for current pending eforms? Assuming it's the expected FIFO system, no...approvals will continue to get longer, and then come to a halt when the submission dates meet the last date they were approved. Only decrease in time would be due to the fact the system was so slow for the last month or so that forms weren't getting submitted. Why would approvals get longer if there are no eforms being submitted? I was wondering the same thing. I would think they would stay the same. Because the line behind you doesn't dictate your wait time, the line in front of you does. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 6:49:12 AM EDT
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Too many variables...
1) How fast was the line growing? Was the rate of submissions increasing or decreasing until the cutoff point? 2) What's the processing rate of eForms? Was the ability to get forms off the server the limiting factor? How many staff/man hours were dedicated to processing eForms? Are there more staff/man hours now than before? Does that number continue to change? Just sit back and "enjoy" the ride... 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 7:56:42 AM EDT
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2 more cans and I'll be able to wipe my hands clean of this garbage..... I swear, I can quite this stamp addiction anytime! haha, lies! I was just going to get a suppressor, that was it, but oh wait i need a SBR if im going to use a suppressor, now Im looking for a M16 lower, got to have the fun switch! One of these days im going to stop...really, i swear! |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:01:14 AM EDT
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And, Its BACK. For how long, no one knows.
ETA: but i cant long in..... |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:10:30 AM EDT
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How come eftps.gov never goes down? Oh yeah.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:15:21 AM EDT
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And, Its BACK. For how long, no one knows. ETA: but i cant long in..... Just checked and it's still down ... did you refresh your cache? |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:20:46 AM EDT
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Its out again... sorry
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Posted: 4/9/2014 11:42:38 AM EDT
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And, Its BACK. For how long, no one knows. ETA: but i cant long in..... Just checked and it's still down ... did you refresh your cache? yes, I have PageMon on it. Original home screen was up for several minutes, but didnt allow me to log in. |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:00:41 PM EDT
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I just want to redact and clarify something I posted here earlier. When I stated that we had it on pretty good authority that eForms would be back up in 2-3 weeks, it was a slight mis-comunication on my part. We actually don't know how long eForms is going to be down but we're going to wait 2-3 weeks to see if we have a better idea at that point what our best option is going forward. When communicating with Dave, I got my wires crossed but don't worry, I have been flogged accordingly!
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:07:49 PM EDT
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I just want to redact and clarify something I posted here earlier. When I stated that we had it on pretty good authority that eForms would be back up in 2-3 weeks, it was a slight mis-comunication on my part. We actually don't know how long eForms is going to be down but we're going to wait 2-3 weeks to see if we have a better idea at that point what our best option is going forward. When communicating with Dave, I got my wires crossed but don't worry, I have been flogged accordingly! 
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:13:01 PM EDT
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I just logged in.
No problems. On my iPhone no less. YMMV |
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:19:02 PM EDT
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sweet! hopefully it stays this way
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:28:44 PM EDT
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just got in as well
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:34:40 PM EDT
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Seems to be down again.
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:35:04 PM EDT
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dammit made it all the way through and it crashed out...
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Posted: 4/9/2014 12:36:07 PM EDT
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Total cock tease!
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