ok lol. I see why there is so much bad info out there with dealer spreading wrong info.

Eform titles are a different game.

Have your boss call the ATF.  There are three types of user on the efile system.  Learn the definitions of each and more about the direct dealer program. Best of luck.

They must be making lots of exceptions with the eform system and direct dealer programs. Do whatever you like. Make the call .

NFASlinger, what you are saying is interesting.  In the interest of clarity, can you provide more details on these issues as you understand them?

Call Silencer Shop and the ATF. Go straight to the source.  Takes all  of 2 min.

Neither Silencer Shop nor ATF can tell us what you are intending by your posts, if indeed you're intending anything other than to snipe at people.  Only you can enlighten us in that regard.

There is nothing wrong or shady with adding them as a submitter . As a submitter they do not need to be a res person. To be a res. person they would have to submit prints.  The ATF gave the green light to the program .  If you think the program is not on the up and up do not participate.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/foghorn/atf-issue-cease-desist-batch-nfa-paperwork-uploading/#more-307141

So the net result is SS pushed the ATF to install a better e-Form system.  Sounds good to me.

Mark I am behind you and The Silencer Shop 150%!

Typical Government operation.  Go with the lowest bidder, and when it doesn't work put blame on someone else then spend twice as much or more money on what should have been bought to start with.....  

We are our own worst enemy at times.

Complete conjecture.  Neither that site nor the author is known for reporting accurate information.

Where are these cease and desist letters? What "source" is responsible for this information?

SS says that they haven't been presented with this info.  If anyone would, then it would be them.  

I'm sure the real truth will be posted somewhere else soon, and then the truth about guns can regurgitate the same news days later as breaking.  

Whelp, better put in my Sparrow order with SS before ATF decides to shut down the e-filing system. Can government do anything right?

I ordered an Octane 9 HD2 and an Spectre II about two weeks ago with SS, and they had the Form 3s submitted in 24 hours.

If you think having a competitor like SS is bad, wait until you guys get Chinese investors getting into the firearms game. They kill the competition and sell everything at a 3%-5% margin. It's already happening in the seafood and food service industry.

Obamacare actually passed, was declared constitutional, and they've quietly pushed the cutoff date back once again, all while refusing to admit that it is starting to buckle under its own weight. The DEA is considered an "important" federal agency. The BATFE still exists unopposed, despite numerous scandals, violations of individuals' Constitutionally-protected rights, and other various crimes against this country and its people. The NSA is still allowed to actively violate American citizens' right to privacy to this day. We currently have a socialist community organizer in the oval office, using the Constitution to blow his nose.

Most of all, they actually had a white house spokesman go on national TV to say, and I quote, "At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing."


...Do you really feel the need to ask?

Thanks for weighing in here.  It clears up some questions for me.

^This x100. I don't know why people take everything that site says as the gospel. They are the National Enquirer of the firearms industry.
Dealers that are pissy because they can't compete with SS should maybe step up THEIR game or just bow out now.
I stand behind SS. Screw the haters.

And THANK YOU Silencer Shop for trying to put legal suppressors in the hands of more people.
God bless you and the 2A.

The Truth About Guns and GunsAmerica are on the same level, that level is pure garbage. I have to go by there tomorrow anyway, Ill ask Dave if he has been contacted.

I love SS. I think it funny how everyone is trying to hate on them on being one of the lowest priced places with the best customer service and best efiling system around. I don't know how many supressors they sell a day, but let's say it's 50. I can't be believe that 50 uploads/submissions should crash any site let alone one that prob cost a million plus. Haters gonna hate. That's when you know you've made it SS! Congrats.

Have you heard some of the vitriol and hatred spewed towards "price gougers" over the last year and a half?  Most people are economically illiterate, and have been conditioned to distrust market forces by our school system, popular culture, politicians, news media, and others.  Everything from unions to supply and demand - most people have been conditioned into a victim mindset, and it is truly sad to see it in the Pro-2A community as well.  Make no mistake, this is no new trend, this has been by-design and creeping upon us since the beginning of the 20th century.

Now to go check if your account creation is working so I can get on a notification list for the Y-mount when it comes out...

The EXACT problem is too much government.

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/foghorn/silencer-shop-the-atf-is-blaming-us-for-their-crappy-website/

Yet another example of how the truth about guns is such a terrible excuse for a publication. Write two stories trashing a company without even bothering to conctact them until afterwards. Id really love to hear who Nicks sources are. Sounds like they domt know what theyre talking about. Dave wasnt in today when I was there but Mark was and said they had not been contacted by the ATF to stop batch processing.

Who says that Nick has sources? Probably making most of that shit up anyway.

An argument in support of SS, to all the folks who call this poking the ATF with a stick or a monopoly . . . .

Let's please remember that (in my mind that sounds funny) Heller prevents the federal govt from banning items "in common use at the time for lawful purposes."  DC v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) (go back and read US v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174 (1939), for militia-based discussion leading to this rule as announced in Heller).  The "at the time" means at the time the ostensible future ban occurs.  Select fire / full auto got banned bc it was not in common use when the 86 ban occurred (imo).  After the last scare, stoner rifles pretty much became ubiquitous enough to be considered in common use.  Suppressors help those who hunt, and allows them to better protect their own hearing and causes a somewhat lessened disturbance in the wildlife.  They aid, even more, at indoor ranges.  I am amazed there are not health and occupational regulations requiring the use of sound suppression at indoor ranges--along with ear protection for combined effect.  It's barbaric and inhumane.  Therefore, as a result, there is a legitimate government purpose to permit sound suppression and these are certainly lawful purposes, and if SS can get enough cans out quickly, it simply helps to make suppression more ubiquitous.  Who can move faster?  Private business or the ATF? Private business lost on the full auto, but won on the stoner (et al.) rifles, will it win on suppression?  I've got my popcorn, can't wait to see who wins.  Figure cost could be minimized at about:  $500 (for can) + $200 (stamp) +$70 (transfer fee) = $770 or really just $800 OTD for a solid platform.  (I'm a fan of the YHM mount bc you can use it under hg, like say a 8", 9", or 10" bbl and a 12" hg with at least a 1.8" id).  For a .30 cal suppressor the OTD price would be basically $900.  For a Saker 762, which I'm liking but not yet loving, but it's expensive and might be awesome, the OTD price on that would be about $1600.  Let SS keep its monopoly until one of two things happen:  a) everyone and their mother has suppression and thermal too, or b) their prices get all outta whack.  Their prices seem to be trending down as of late, but that could be short term getting rid of supply.  Either way, hold the hating until those things happen.  Let our interests get some money made, then they can buy whatever laws they want...as long as good companies (define that as you please) are getting the money.  Be smart, and if a company sucks, let it know how and why.  I emphasize smart.

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Don't feel bad. I have bought 3 cans from them and have only gotten 1 oven mitt, and I had to ask for it, like a beggar or something. I did get a free hat and mini flashlight during the grand opening last year.

No worries, at least from me.  I appreciated your contributions to this thread.

You shared your opinions based on the info you had at the time.  Perhaps you were a bit negative in your slant at times, but we're all big boys and overall you provided a lot more answers than most on this topic.

I do not believe I have seen anyone post anything about the sales tax Silencershop will most likely be required to collect in some states. I live in North Carolina and we have an "Amazon law" here. The collection of state sales tax and
the $70 fee would offset any savings realized from buying though them and their "contracted" class 3 dealers within the state. I may be wrong but figured I would throw a bone in for you all to chew on.  


"North Carolina’s “Amazon Law”

In 2009, the North Carolina legislature amended the definition of “retailer” and updated its rules regarding “remote sales.” These changes have the effect of requiring larger Internet retailers with no physical presence in North Carolina, but meeting certain other conditions, to collect and pay North Carolina’s sales tax. Similar laws have been at least considered, and sometimes enacted, in various states around the country; they are commonly known as “Amazon Laws.” As you might guess, the name refers to Amazon.com, which is a large, Internet-based retailer that does not have a physical presence in many states, and therefore, under the default sales tax rule, need not collect sales tax from customers in those states. As customers in those states often do not pay the corresponding use tax, Amazon’s sales, and those of other large online retailers, such as Overstock.com, are frequently understood to constitute significant lost tax revenue for those states.
Under the new law, if an out-of-state Internet retailer has what is commonly known as a “click-through” arrangement with one or more persons located in North Carolina, and meets a few other conditions, the retailer must collect sales tax. More specifically, an out-of-state retailer needs to collect sales tax from North Carolina customers if that retailer:

has an agreement with one or more North Carolina resident to refer potential customers to the retailer via a website link or otherwise
compensates the resident or residents in North Carolina for directing potential buyers to the retailer, and
the retailer’s “cumulative gross receipts” from such directed sales to North Carolina customers exceeds $10,000 during the preceding 12 months.

The North Carolina DOR has published a bulletin that covers the main changes that the state legislature made to North Carolina’s tax laws in 2009. The bulletin has brief but useful sections on the change in the definition of “retailer” and on the new law on click-through arrangements.
It is worth noting that North Carolina law states that “A nonresident retailer who purchases advertising to be delivered by television, by radio, in print, on the Internet, or by any other medium is not considered to be engaged in business in this State [i.e., is not required to collect and pay sales tax] based solely on the purchase of the advertising,” thereby distinguishing Amazon-style click-through arrangements from some other types of Internet-based presence in North Carolina.
In 2009, in advance of North Carolina’s passage of the law, Amazon.com shut down all click-through arrangements with North Carolina residents.


The General Rule: Physical Presence in the State


The current default rule throughout the United States is that you must collect sales tax on Internet sales to customers in those states where your business has a “physical presence.” The physical-presence rule is based on a 1992 United States Supreme Court decision, Quill Corp. v. North Dakota, that addressed the obligations of mail-order businesses to collect sales tax on out-of-state sales; the decision has been extended to include online retailers. Generally speaking, a physical presence means such things as:

having a warehouse in the state
having a store in the state
having an office in the state, or
having a sales representative in the state.

While the physical-presence rule may seem clear, in the case of North Carolina, as well as a fair number of other states, this is not necessarily the case. The type of “nexus” the Supreme Court found relevant for mail-order businesses was based on the Commerce Clause of the Constitution, which—as described by the Supreme Court—means physical presence. However, many states, including North Carolina, have used the term “nexus” rather than “physical presence” in their sales tax laws in ways that arguably may go beyond physical presence.
The definition of physical presence—or nexus—specifically under North Carolina law has become more complicated since new state legislation was passed in 2009. However, you can find initial guidance by referring to North Carolina General Statutes, which defines the term “engaged in business.” The definition includes not only what is in the list above (including places of business in the state controlled directly or indirectly), but also retailers that make a “remote sale” if certain additional conditions are met. As further discussed below, the combination of remote sales and certain conditions is part of the new, 2009 legislation.

SS was $300 cheaper for my OCTANE 9 HD2.

I can pay sales tax and still be cheaper than my LGS before taxes.

Word, my lgs sells at MSRP. I saved so much money by buying from SS for my Sparrow, Octane 45, Saker 5.56, and soon to be purchased Saker 7.62.

The sales tax shouldn't be an issue...because you're all claiming out-of-state internet purchases each year when you file taxes, right?

SilencerShop is my goto shop and I appreciate your stance and submission on 41P, as well as uploading off-hours. The e-file system is horrible and this shouldn't be a surprise after the Obamacare website disaster, so blaming SilencerShop for any of this is nonsense. They will be the first to get my $$ when I shop for a suppressor, as before, and I've always appreciated their quick shipments and email updates on status. Keep doing what you're doing and don't change a thing.

My last can that I picked up, before I walked out employee said oh wait, forgot to give your swag.  Got the MIT, mini flashlight and a couple pens.  I appreciated it, but they didn't have to do that.  That MIT is nice with a screw on can with FA fire to keep can tight.  Would have gladly paid their asking price of $5 for it.

Yeah, I'm sure all the other states "requiring" online vendors to collect sales tax can get in line to suck the taint of the fine state of Texas if they expect it to be enforced.  Wisconsin has a similar law, and I'm pissed that any of the online vendors follow them.  Hell, I'm pissed that brick and mortar stores follow collection laws.

Maybe I should change my location to Somalia.

Welcome to the party.

I can't believe people view the success of SS as a monopoly.  I guess people are upset that their businesses can't match the level of service.

Damn, I hope I get an oven mitt, I have two going through them right now, and probably a third soon. Yay oven-mitt monopoly!

Pretty sure he was talking mostly about state sales tax. Regardless, either everyone pays sales tax everywhere (which quite clearly even the esteemed members of Arfcom don't think they should when purchasing online)... Or we call it what it is..a second tax on top of our income tax and we hunker down in our cabins/homes/trailers/RVs/HUD housing and wait for the entry team! Now who's with me?! Chaaarge!

http://youtu.be/Fj6a7p-WRGg

Ha! Just came to post that!

I have one order from them in jail (my first) but I can see many more from them if this level of CS is the norm.

Lol

 

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