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Posted: 7/24/2011 5:55:21 PM EDT
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The FBI keeps records on that type of thing. Check their site and do a search.
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Posted: 7/24/2011 6:04:20 PM EDT
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Almost anytime a suppressor is brought into court the usual crime is tax evasion. However - Unless the ATF is envolved in the prosecution this crime is not charged and some other local statute is cited.
Such as posession of a prohibited item without the affirmative defense that the item is duely registered in the NFA data base and was in the posession of its owner of record. The amount of crimes commited by registered owners is nearly insignificant (as in virtually none). You will find getting real numbers difficult as releasing some details could violate tax privacy laws. But I'm sure the BATFE DC Office would be glad to dream up some fictional numbers for you. 
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Posted: 7/24/2011 6:11:31 PM EDT
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Almost anytime a suppressor is brought into court the usual crime is tax evasion. However - Unless the ATF is envolved in the prosecution this crime is not charged and some other local statute is cited. Such as posession of a prohibited item without the affirmative defense that the item is duely registered in the NFA data base and was in the posession of its owner of record. The amount of crimes commited by registered owners is nearly insignificant (as in virtually none). You will find getting real numbers difficult as releasing some details could violate tax privacy laws. But I'm sure the BATFE DC Office would be glad to dream up some fictional numbers for you.
( and no, I was not joking.) they burn women and kids alive..so lying seem like a prerequisite |
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Posted: 7/24/2011 6:13:56 PM EDT
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camp hill Pennsylvania corrections officer shoots lawyer on state game lands with suppressed 308 supposedly for his full auto rifle..i'm not a anti or anything just saying it does happen http://www.abc27.com/story/13606010/2010/12/02/district-attorney-urges-judge-not-to-give-peake-a-public-defender?redirected=true
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Posted: 7/24/2011 6:20:33 PM EDT
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camp hill Pennsylvania corrections officer shoots lawyer on state game lands with suppressed 308 supposedly for his full auto rifle..i'm not a anti or anything just saying it does happen made it hot for you This is a pretty good paper I found once before |
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Posted: 7/24/2011 6:52:03 PM EDT
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The ATF violates rights and commits crimes every time a suppressor is bought or sold in this country.
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Posted: 7/24/2011 7:05:22 PM EDT
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WTF is a "perecqizite" ??
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Posted: 7/24/2011 10:53:51 PM EDT
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WTF is a "perecqizite" ?? i ment to type prerequisite |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 1:24:13 AM EDT
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I was watching FBI files and saw an episode about a guy who arranged an amateur "contract hit" on his ex wife, brain dead son, and his sons 24 hour a day nurse after inheriting 1.8 million and not wanting to lose it to medical bills and his ex wife.
That guy bought two books from palladin press "hit man" and "home workshop suppressors" and fabricated a crude suppressor for an AR-7 survival rifle and did everything by the book instructions of "hit man". The FBI ended up piecing the evidence trail together with the help of the books found at the man's home, and using the books as evidence to convict him and his partner in crime of murder. They are still in prison I believe. Palladin Press ended up losing money to the family for some kind of civil matter pertaining to the deaths. Of course the crime could just as easily have been committed with a knife, so really the presence of the suppressor was more incidental than incremental. As far as NFA registered suppressors? I've not heard of crimes committed with NFA registered suppressors. |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 1:30:22 AM EDT
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The ATF violates rights and commits crimes every time a suppressor is bought or sold in this country. I understand fees, but feel the $200 is unreasonably high in comparison to the price of the item.... and the efficacy of the system approving the paperwork is strongly lacking. If the approval process were electronic and immediate similar to NICS check and the fee was $75, the suppressor industry would probably sell 100,000 suppressors this year instead of 22,000. |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 1:31:06 AM EDT
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I know I have read at least on story on here about a guy getting popped for poaching and he had a homemade can. Not sure if it was actually used in the poaching, or just found at his home during the execution of the warrant.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 1:36:57 AM EDT
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If a person was planning to use a suppressor in the commission of a crime- it would seem intelligent and obvious not to use a registered suppressor.
That is probably why the crimes committed with NFA registered suppressors are either exceedingly rare or non-existent. This of course to the consternation of the liberal media who would love to have more damnable statistics to spread like poison. <what they love to do. |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 3:41:53 AM EDT
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The guy who did these murders used a homemade silencer on a 22.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2008-07-05/news/17902399_1_sherry-murders-biloxi-law-client |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 3:42:16 AM EDT
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That's the thing about suppressors. They are so quiet no one hears the crimes.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 4:28:21 AM EDT
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Well known case of a lawfully made and sold Gemtech silencer being used in a crime. http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1997/Apr-19-Sat-1997/news/5193043.html |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 5:56:28 AM EDT
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I understand fees, but feel the $200 is unreasonably high in comparison to the price of the item... But that was the whole point of the tax originally- to be unreasonable so people couldn't have them. The price was originally set based on the list-price of a Thompson SMG. I'm sure it was even more unreasonable in 1934 when applied to a $12 rifle or a $3 "muffler". |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 6:53:22 AM EDT
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Something like 40% of all known murders are unsolved. Add all the missing people never found and you've incomplete statistics.
That said, I hear gunshots in my area all the time and never call the police, people rarely do. Suppressors are a scapegoat and are great for poaching the kings animals. Probably why they are really regulated. |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 7:29:28 AM EDT
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A member here asked our local sheriff same question. He came up with nothing.
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Posted: 7/25/2011 7:53:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: camp hill Pennsylvania corrections officer shoots lawyer on state game lands with suppressed 308 supposedly for his full auto rifle..i'm not a anti or anything just saying it does happen made it hot for you This is a pretty good paper I found once before The second article is riddled with errors. Since when do you need a "permit" to own a silencer? And silencers are illegal in Texas? WTF? Really. "A good silencer can reduce the noice of a firearm by 20 decibels"...I think a better questin would be, how many legally owned silencers have been used in violent crimes by their registered owners? |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 9:13:26 AM EDT
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Couple weeks ago in Austin.
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/blog/update/2011/07/12/found-gun-silencer-forces-lockdown-state-building A few from Oahu... http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/123730084.html http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/118453824.html?mobile=true http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/11403139/witness-in-protective-custody-takes-stand-at-deguair-murder-trial Halfway down the link description... http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/02/09/news/story2.html |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 9:23:09 AM EDT
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And silencers are illegal in Texas? WTF? Really. By Texas law all NFA regulated items are illegal; however, compliance with the NFA is a defense to prosecution. |
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Posted: 7/25/2011 11:21:38 AM EDT
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camp hill Pennsylvania corrections officer shoots lawyer on state game lands with suppressed 308 supposedly for his full auto rifle..i'm not a anti or anything just saying it does happen made it hot for you This is a pretty good paper I found once before Good article. |
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Posted: 7/26/2011 3:07:15 PM EDT
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This incident was not the lawful owner using it, it was stolen by the wife years before.
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Well known case of a lawfully made and sold Gemtech silencer being used in a crime. http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1997/Apr-19-Sat-1997/news/5193043.html |
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Posted: 7/26/2011 3:42:52 PM EDT
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There have certainly been crimes that have been committed with NFA firearms before, but the dates aren't adding up on the transcripts from the Rudin case between what's been published and what could have been origin date of what was reported as an integrally suppressed .22lr pistol.
"On July 21, 1996, a scuba diver discovered a .22 caliber Ruger handgun while diving near Pyramid Island at Lake Mead. The gun was wrapped in several plastic bags that were secured with rubber bands and so was well preserved. The handgun had a sound suppressor attached to it. Police subsequently learned that the gun had been registered to Ron in 1980. According to records obtained from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Ron had reported the items missing in October 1988." GEMTECH wasn't yet founded in 1988. Kel |
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Posted: 7/26/2011 4:13:53 PM EDT
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There have certainly been crimes that have been committed with NFA firearms before, but the dates aren't adding up on the transcripts from the Rudin case between what's been published and what could have been origin date of what was reported as an integrally suppressed .22lr pistol. "On July 21, 1996, a scuba diver discovered a .22 caliber Ruger handgun while diving near Pyramid Island at Lake Mead. The gun was wrapped in several plastic bags that were secured with rubber bands and so was well preserved. The handgun had a sound suppressor attached to it. Police subsequently learned that the gun had been registered to Ron in 1980. According to records obtained from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Ron had reported the items missing in October 1988." GEMTECH wasn't yet founded in 1988. Kel Just some minor errors in detail 
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Posted: 7/26/2011 4:57:39 PM EDT
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There have certainly been crimes that have been committed with NFA firearms before, but the dates aren't adding up on the transcripts from the Rudin case between what's been published and what could have been origin date of what was reported as an integrally suppressed .22lr pistol. "On July 21, 1996, a scuba diver discovered a .22 caliber Ruger handgun while diving near Pyramid Island at Lake Mead. The gun was wrapped in several plastic bags that were secured with rubber bands and so was well preserved. The handgun had a sound suppressor attached to it. Police subsequently learned that the gun had been registered to Ron in 1980. According to records obtained from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Ron had reported the items missing in October 1988." GEMTECH wasn't yet founded in 1988. Kel Just some minor errors in detail
Lol, that's funny! |
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Posted: 7/26/2011 7:41:08 PM EDT
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As part of my effort to amend WA start law to allow silencer use, I obtained crime data from each county in WA. There was a total of ten cases with one being a murder trial.
Ranb |
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Posted: 7/26/2011 9:04:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: As part of my effort to amend WA start law to allow silencer use, I obtained crime data from each county in WA. There was a total of ten cases with one being a murder trial. Ranb One question how many of them were legally owned? |
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Posted: 7/27/2011 5:28:35 AM EDT
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Possibly none. Unless the person uses registration as a defense, then the record may not reflect whether or not the fiream is registered. Registration did not matter for silencer use prior to July 22, 2011. It does not matter for "SBS/SBR since July 1, 1994 either.
Ranb |
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Posted: 7/27/2011 4:49:14 PM EDT
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Off the top of my head that was a Texas built suppressor, before Gemtech in Idaho.
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There have certainly been crimes that have been committed with NFA firearms before, but the dates aren't adding up on the transcripts from the Rudin case between what's been published and what could have been origin date of what was reported as an integrally suppressed .22lr pistol. "On July 21, 1996, a scuba diver discovered a .22 caliber Ruger handgun while diving near Pyramid Island at Lake Mead. The gun was wrapped in several plastic bags that were secured with rubber bands and so was well preserved. The handgun had a sound suppressor attached to it. Police subsequently learned that the gun had been registered to Ron in 1980. According to records obtained from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Ron had reported the items missing in October 1988." GEMTECH wasn't yet founded in 1988. Kel |
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Posted: 7/27/2011 5:00:35 PM EDT
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I'm not sure where, but I read somewhere that the DC sniper used an OPS Inc. can
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Posted: 7/27/2011 5:29:03 PM EDT
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I'm not sure where, but I read somewhere that the DC sniper used an OPS Inc. can From what I remember the shooter fired from inside the trunk through a hole out the back of the crown vic, which acted in itself like a suppressor. |
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Posted: 7/27/2011 5:46:29 PM EDT
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I'm not sure where, but I read somewhere that the DC sniper used an OPS Inc. can From what I remember the shooter fired from inside the trunk through a hole out the back of the crown vic, which acted in itself like a suppressor. My google-Fu suggests that you are correct and I was incorrect |
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Posted: 7/28/2011 10:18:20 AM EDT
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This incident was not the lawful owner using it, it was stolen by the wife years before. Quoted:
Well known case of a lawfully made and sold Gemtech silencer being used in a crime. http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/1997/Apr-19-Sat-1997/news/5193043.html It was an AWC integral Ruger 22 IIRC, I watched something on TV and you could makeout the markings. david |
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