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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:08:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: It could be semantics at this point, but I don't agree that it is a long stroke piston. When we talk about a long stroke I think of a Robinson Arms XCR, AK series or even PWS piston AR setup. Where the op rod is integrated or part of the BCG. XCR: https://i.ibb.co/zRbW12c/P1010476-jpg.webp AK series: https://i.ibb.co/0cgzHCs/545-Carrier-1-46655-1635782188-1280-1280-79365-1635790577-1280-1280-75522.jpg PWS piston AR15: https://i.ibb.co/pnkXhFV/Mid-Length-2-79723.jpg Now when we talk about a short stroke, I think of a tappet system where you have a much shortened op-rod that is not integrated into the BCG. But instead it impacts the BCG during the cycling of the gun. I think of stuff like the FN SCAR, HK416, T91, Sig MCX, AR18...etc. FN SCAR: https://i.ibb.co/GQ7xgZL/38-101005.jpg HK416/MR556: https://i.ibb.co/2SYcjnf/DSCN2458.jpg AR18: https://i.ibb.co/mFbBbpJ/AR-18a.jpg T91: https://i.ibb.co/7NLb2P4/wolf-a1-upper-image-product-3.jpg These pictures below of the UXR op rod and BCG, look more similar to a short stroke piston design with an elongated oprod. You can clearly see the op rod is not integrated into the UXR BCG. https://i.ibb.co/P49JBs0/Screenshot-2024-01-21-at-6-49-47-PM.png https://i.ibb.co/pyTYXgs/Screenshot-2024-01-21-at-6-50-44-PM.png Again, it might be semantics but I would say this design has more in similarity to a short stroke system than a long stroke. I'll take the word of the manufacturer of the actual gun over a random person on the internet. No disrespect intended, so please do not see it that way. Just in this case the manufacturer said it's a modified long stroke piston, so I'm taking their word for it since they designed and built the gun. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:11:22 PM EDT
[#2]
IMO this is a short stroke piston. I think PWS was just using a marketing term to capitalize on their reputation of building reliable long stroke piston guns.
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:18:56 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: https://i.ibb.co/ZSXRJ8T/IMG-0099.jpg Looks pretty good in 7.62x39 setup with AK mags. I’m interested in the 7.62x39, but only if 10” or less and it’d be awesome if you could choose between AK or STANAG pattern. That’s a gun I’ve been waiting for but my buddy’s .300 BO MCX SBR is garbage. This could possibly be an adequate substitute. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:22:41 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: I’m interested in the 7.62x39, but only if 10” or less and it’d be awesome if you could choose between AK or STANAG pattern. That’s a gun I’ve been waiting for but my buddy’s .300 BO MCX SBR is garbage. This could possibly be an adequate substitute. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: Originally Posted By tranzformer: https://i.ibb.co/ZSXRJ8T/IMG-0099.jpg Looks pretty good in 7.62x39 setup with AK mags. I’m interested in the 7.62x39, but only if 10” or less and it’d be awesome if you could choose between AK or STANAG pattern. That’s a gun I’ve been waiting for but my buddy’s .300 BO MCX SBR is garbage. This could possibly be an adequate substitute. What's garbage about his MCX? My Rattler has been great and hasn't experienced any issues. I can see both arguments for and against the long stroke statement. The designer mentioned it doesn't tap but rather pushes the carrier and travels with it for a period of time, before it goes the rest of the way. |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:23:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SlimBlundt]
[#5]
Son of a bitch, it’s a TAPERED muzzle. That means you’re going to need an adapter for any muzzle device other than the factory option. That’s the same shit they did with the MCX. FUCK THAT.
 Attached FileWith all of the modularity and compatibility improvements, WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY HINDER STANDARD MUZZLE DEVICES? You fucked up, PWS. Please fix it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:30:08 PM EDT
[#6]
Unless they include a simple tapered spacer to utilize regular muzzle devices, I’m out. I don’t need this gun but I want one. I’ll wait for a simple $10 fix. Fuckin stupid.
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USA
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:33:39 PM EDT
[#7]
Tapered is much better if you are running a direct thread suppressor.
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:50:55 PM EDT
[#8]
Another question for PWS: does the lower need to be milled down to accept KNS or JP trigger pins like the MCX? Asking for me. Thanks.
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:53:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SlimBlundt]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Tapered is much better if you are running a direct thread suppressor. And if you’re not using a DT suppressor - like most of us? And what if your DT suppressor doesn’t have an internal taper that’s the same dimensions as the PWS taper? (Mine don’t, so none of my suppressors will work with this rifle.) |
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Posted: 1/21/2024 11:59:23 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: And if you’re not using a DT suppressor - like most of us? And what if your DT suppressor doesn’t have an internal taper that’s the same dimensions as the PWS taper? (Mine don’t, so none of my suppressors will work with this rifle.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: Originally Posted By tranzformer: Tapered is much better if you are running a direct thread suppressor. And if you’re not using a DT suppressor - like most of us? And what if your DT suppressor doesn’t have an internal taper that’s the same dimensions as the PWS taper? (Mine don’t, so none of my suppressors will work with this rifle.) Then you spend the $10-12 and get the shoulder taper adapter. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. It’s not that big of a deal. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2024 12:39:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zerlak]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Tapered is much better if you are running a direct thread suppressor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Tapered is much better if you are running a direct thread suppressor. Technically, it's superior for QD silencers as well. The taper helps secure the muzzle device and helps with alignment. Originally Posted By tranzformer: Then you spend the $10-12 and get the shoulder taper adapter. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. It’s not that big of a deal. This. Isn't hard to secure an adapter. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 8:20:33 AM EDT
[#12]
Or - and please interject if I’m wrong - PWS could just give the barrel proper threads to begin with.
I’m concerned we’re getting Sig’d. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:06:14 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: Another question for PWS: does the lower need to be milled down to accept KNS or JP trigger pins like the MCX? Asking for me. Thanks. No it has a trigger cassette like the ACR ... your AR triggers will just fit into it and you reseure their trigger pins for the casette ... easy peasy |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:13:31 AM EDT
[#14]
Looking at the breakdown video ... regarding the piston system ... it def takes design cues from a long-stroke system but it is a separate unit at the BCG thus really it is a short stroke ... I would say the more appropriate designation would be a long-travel piston system based on how they explained it ... but who cares ... its a piston gun ...
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:14:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thehun06]
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SlimBlundt: Or - and please interject if I’m wrong - PWS could just give the barrel proper threads to begin with. I’m concerned we’re getting Sig’d. Actually you are getting Q'd not Sig'd ... tapered barrels are the trend and the answer for 100% alignment ... it isn't going away ... I don't have an issue with this move ... actually as a suppressor user ... I prefer it ... |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 10:17:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Actually you are getting Q'd not Sig'd ... tapered barrels are the trend and the answer for 100% alignment ... it isn't going away ... I don't have an issue with this move ... actually as a suppressor user ... I prefer it ... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Originally Posted By SlimBlundt: Or - and please interject if I’m wrong - PWS could just give the barrel proper threads to begin with. I’m concerned we’re getting Sig’d. Actually you are getting Q'd not Sig'd ... tapered barrels are the trend and the answer for 100% alignment ... it isn't going away ... I don't have an issue with this move ... actually as a suppressor user ... I prefer it ... A valid observation. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/22/2024 12:25:55 PM EDT
[#17]
I think it’s hilarious that while you guys are arguing about a taper on the quick change barrel…
I’m about the only person I’ve seen realize everything is here for a bullpup conversion. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 1:34:46 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By new21022: I think it’s hilarious that while you guys are arguing about a taper on the quick change barrel… I’m about the only person I’ve seen realize everything is here for a bullpup conversion. Except left hand ejection .. 
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Posted: 1/22/2024 2:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shenendoah_rifleman: IMO this is a short stroke piston. I notice it looks remarkably similar to a "legacy" Adams Arms piston system in terms of op rod cup length, spigot length, and seemingly every other way to include length of travel. Perhaps the legacy AA is a 'longer short stroke' as well. I say 'legacy' as AA has more recently added vents in the op rod cup to limit travel to a short distance before it dumps excess gas and would most certainly be described as 'short stroke'. |
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Posted: 1/22/2024 3:22:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: I notice it looks remarkably similar to a "legacy" Adams Arms piston system in terms of op rod cup length, spigot length, and seemingly every other way to include length of travel. Perhaps the legacy AA is a 'longer short stroke' as well. I say 'legacy' as AA has more recently added vents in the op rod cup to limit travel to a short distance before it dumps excess gas and would most certainly be described as 'short stroke'. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: Originally Posted By shenendoah_rifleman: IMO this is a short stroke piston. I notice it looks remarkably similar to a "legacy" Adams Arms piston system in terms of op rod cup length, spigot length, and seemingly every other way to include length of travel. Perhaps the legacy AA is a 'longer short stroke' as well. I say 'legacy' as AA has more recently added vents in the op rod cup to limit travel to a short distance before it dumps excess gas and would most certainly be described as 'short stroke'. Yeah it resembles the AA and LWRC piston systems ... as well as the POF ... |
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USA
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Posted: 1/22/2024 3:33:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Yeah it’s a bit of a hybrid system. But it is more closely related to a short stroke design but with a long travel. Not really a long stroke design as oprod is not incorporated into or part of the bcg. The oprod of the UXR is separate and makes contact with the bcg to initiate cycling of the gun. While a long stroke the oprod/piston head is acted upon by gases to initiate cycling of the gun.
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Posted: 1/22/2024 11:18:00 PM EDT
[#22]
 Yeah. That’s not a long stroke system … not even close … it is much closer to LWRC’s design actually. That said I don’t really care … |
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USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 12:05:22 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: https://i.imgur.com/uQwlEzE.jpeg Yeah. That’s not a long stroke system … not even close … it is much closer to LWRC’s design actually. That said I don’t really care … Agreed, it’s not a long stroke system. Definitely has resemblance to the LWRC design. But like you said, it doesn’t matter as long as it works well. The idea behind their design makes sense. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 12:43:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
[#24]
PWS themselves said it's a modified long stroke piston. I'm still wondering why so many people on an internet gun forum are so bent out of shape trying to say the actual manufacturer and engineers who developed the gun don't know what kind of gas system is in their own gun. PWS said it's a modified long stroke piston. They developed and designed the rifle. Pretty sure they know better than a bunch of random people on a forum.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 12:56:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: PWS themselves said it's a modified long stroke piston. I'm still wondering why so many people on an internet gun forum are so bent out of shape trying to say the actual manufacturer and engineers who developed the gun don't know what kind of gas system is in their own gun. PWS said it's a modified long stroke piston. They developed and designed the rifle. Pretty sure they know better than a bunch of random people on a forum. People are clinging to the definition for long stroke piston being the piston/rod is attached to the carrier. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 3:13:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shenendoah_rifleman: IMO this is a short stroke piston. I think PWS was just using a marketing term to capitalize on their reputation of building reliable long stroke piston guns. The "extended impact tappet" concept is similar to the ARX, & perhaps inspired by it. The really interesting feature is the barrel expansion chamber to reduce blowback. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 10:02:27 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: … it is much closer to LWRC’s design actually. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: … it is much closer to LWRC’s design actually. Actually, the LWRC has vents in the cup that limit the travel to be very "short". Originally Posted By Zerlak: People are clinging to the definition for long stroke piston being the piston/rod is attached to the carrier. Agreed, but I for one am questioning the line between short and long. As well as pointing out similarities to other systems called 'short stroke' with seemingly similarly long travel or at least longer travel than other 'short strokes'. Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: The really interesting feature is the barrel expansion chamber to reduce blowback. I agree, neat, curious as to how effective. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 12:31:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: Actually, the LWRC has vents in the cup that limit the travel to be very "short". Agreed, but I for one am questioning the line between short and long. As well as pointing out similarities to other systems called 'short stroke' with seemingly similarly long travel or at least longer travel than other 'short strokes'. I agree, neat, curious as to how effective. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: Originally Posted By thehun06: … it is much closer to LWRC’s design actually. Actually, the LWRC has vents in the cup that limit the travel to be very "short". Originally Posted By Zerlak: People are clinging to the definition for long stroke piston being the piston/rod is attached to the carrier. Agreed, but I for one am questioning the line between short and long. As well as pointing out similarities to other systems called 'short stroke' with seemingly similarly long travel or at least longer travel than other 'short strokes'. Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: The really interesting feature is the barrel expansion chamber to reduce blowback. I agree, neat, curious as to how effective. Not only is LWRCs stroke short, it has a return spring to pull the piston back in place. The op-rod also clearly taps/impacts on the top of the carrier. The PWS looks to more have the rod rest against he carrier and gradually pushes it back during it's stroke. I don't know of another short stroke piston setup with as long of a stroke as the PWS. Obviously just speculation, until these things are in the hands of owners. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:24:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: Not only is LWRCs stroke short, it has a return spring to pull the piston back in place. The op-rod also clearly taps/impacts on the top of the carrier. The PWS looks to more have the rod rest against he carrier and gradually pushes it back during it's stroke. I don't know of another short stroke piston setup with as long of a stroke as the PWS. Obviously just speculation, until these things are in the hands of owners. ARX tappet travels 1.5 inches. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:30:59 PM EDT
[#30]
I haven't found a good picture of the trigger system, but is there any chance a Registered Lightning Link would work in this rifle?
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USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:52:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tranzformer]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By v188: I haven't found a good picture of the trigger system, but is there any chance a Registered Lightning Link would work in this rifle? Here is the trigger housing pack/assembly:  
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USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:57:27 PM EDT
[#32]
Some new videos from Shot Show. Rifles should be available middle of February according to Cory @PWS.
 PWS UXR Modular AF! | SHOT Show 2024  Primary Weapon Systems UXR | Industry Day At The Range 2024  First look and breakdown of the PWS UXR Elite at Shot Show Industry Media Day 2024 |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:07:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Since the charging handle is non-reciprocating, I wonder if there is a way to force the bcg home if it fails to feed, similar to the G36? Slick side guns w/o a forward assist are high speed and cool until stuff starts getting dirty.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:26:07 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBRUZK: Since the charging handle is non-reciprocating, I wonder if there is a way to force the bcg home if it fails to feed, similar to the G36? Slick side guns w/o a forward assist are high speed and cool until stuff starts getting dirty. Watch the interview video. He goes into detail on how you can use the charging handle as a forward assist. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:24:49 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Except left hand ejection .. I didn’t say it had to be ambi! But, you’re right. It would be lacking that feature that 5 people would use. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:29:10 PM EDT
[#36]
It's what the ACR was supposed to be. I'm definitely getting one.
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Posted: 1/24/2024 9:10:09 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _LandCruiser_: It's what the ACR was supposed to be. I'm definitely getting one. Yup ... me too ... |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 2:10:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Yup ... me too ... Same, though I wonder how long till we see the FDE ones. This gun looks like a G36 crossed with its newer HK433 brother. The trigger and mag well separate like the G36 and the handguard design with the monolithic top rail is exactly like the HK433 with an overall look like the HK433. My only gripe is the non-chrome lined barrel. I understand the reason they chose the barrel they did, for accuracy, but this gun doesn't scream 'marksman' but more 'Battle Rifle' Edit: Mike at fortress tactical has them already up for pre-order, not many in first batch. I snagged a 14.5" |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 10:31:10 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: Same, though I wonder how long till we see the FDE ones. This gun looks like a G36 crossed with its newer HK433 brother. The trigger and mag well separate like the G36 and the handguard design with the monolithic top rail is exactly like the HK433 with an overall look like the HK433. My only gripe is the non-chrome lined barrel. I understand the reason they chose the barrel they did, for accuracy, but this gun doesn't scream 'marksman' but more 'Battle Rifle' Edit: Mike at fortress tactical has them already up for pre-order, not many in first batch. I snagged a 14.5" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: Originally Posted By thehun06: Yup ... me too ... Same, though I wonder how long till we see the FDE ones. This gun looks like a G36 crossed with its newer HK433 brother. The trigger and mag well separate like the G36 and the handguard design with the monolithic top rail is exactly like the HK433 with an overall look like the HK433. My only gripe is the non-chrome lined barrel. I understand the reason they chose the barrel they did, for accuracy, but this gun doesn't scream 'marksman' but more 'Battle Rifle' Edit: Mike at fortress tactical has them already up for pre-order, not many in first batch. I snagged a 14.5" Quality made barrel like what PWS does … I wouldn’t worry about it being chrome lined or not. They produce one of the best button rifled nitrided barrels in the industry. |
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Posted: 1/25/2024 2:32:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: Quality made barrel like what PWS does … I wouldn’t worry about it being chrome lined or not. They produce one of the best button rifled nitrided barrels in the industry. So I have heard. Looking at the prices for the kits it also looks like I wouldn't be gouged for a replacement barrel if I ever needed one (Cough FN). |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 12:56:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
[#41]
https://soldiersystems.net/2024/02/27/pws-to-attend-enforce-tac-2024/
This is unexpected, the PWS UXR was invited to be part of EnforceTac in Germany, someone sees a lot of potential in this gun. I wonder how it will do compared to the HK433, a gun I feel the UXR took a lot of ideas from. Also for the love of God H&K, move to America and give up rifles like the HK433... |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 3:00:40 PM EDT
[#42]
Anyone seen one in stock yet?
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Posted: 2/27/2024 3:03:17 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fivepointoh: Anyone seen one in stock yet? Some places had them for pre-order but I don't think they are in hand yet. A couple posts I saw last week was stating "3 weeks" till first ship, so mid March maybe? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2024 11:44:06 AM EDT
[#44]
I thought they said in the shot videos the end of Feb, now it's mid March... PWS is a great company so I'm sure it will be fine I just get suspicious when there are delays.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/2/2024 11:46:31 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ferchmn: I thought they said in the shot videos the end of Feb, now it's mid March... PWS is a great company so I'm sure it will be fine I just get suspicious when there are delays. TFBTV claimed it was a an unreliable POS at shot and still needed more engineering work done. Delays might be them working out the bugs. |
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Posted: 3/2/2024 3:39:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ferchmn: I thought they said in the shot videos the end of Feb, now it's mid March... PWS is a great company so I'm sure it will be fine I just get suspicious when there are delays. Mid March? Huh? Yesterday was March 1st. Lol |
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Posted: 3/3/2024 8:19:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: TFBTV claimed it was a an unreliable POS at shot and still needed more engineering work done. Delays might be them working out the bugs. Do you have a link to this? I cannot find where TFBTV has made any videos/articles related to the UXR. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/4/2024 1:14:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zerlak]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: Do you have a link to this? I cannot find where TFBTV has made any videos/articles related to the UXR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: Originally Posted By Zerlak: TFBTV claimed it was a an unreliable POS at shot and still needed more engineering work done. Delays might be them working out the bugs. Do you have a link to this? I cannot find where TFBTV has made any videos/articles related to the UXR. Was a post on their top 5 rifles of shotshow. Individual asked why the PWS wasn't on the top 5 and they replied with that info. Eta: Look for the post on the (why I hated) the top 5 rifles 2024 that has time stamps of each rifle. James makes a comment that the prototype they've had their hands on was a POS and they're waiting to do any reviews for a production copy. |
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Posted: 3/4/2024 2:10:10 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: Was a post on their top 5 rifles of shotshow. Individual asked why the PWS wasn't on the top 5 and they replied with that info. Eta: Look for the post on the (why I hated) the top 5 rifles 2024 that has time stamps of each rifle. James makes a comment that the prototype they've had their hands on was a POS and they're waiting to do any reviews for a production copy. That's rough, I know one of the guns seemed like it was having some fail to eject issues. A page or two back is a few videos of the same gun and you can see the ejection patterns go from 2 o'clock to 4 o'clock between two videos, the only explanation I can think of for the same gun to change so drastically is that someone changed the gas settings to suppressed. Hopefully the guns they took to EnforceTac did better. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 7:42:38 PM EDT
[#50]
I kind of disappointed that nothing but silence since Shot about this rifle ...
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