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In case it hasn't been mentioned, CZ USA is now listing the 805 Bren for 2017 as available in .300 Blackout, both carbine and pistol.
Just an FYI... http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-805-bren-s1-carbine/ |
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In case it hasn't been mentioned, CZ USA is now listing the 805 Bren for 2017 as available in .300 Blackout, both carbine and pistol. Just an FYI... http://cz-usa.com/product/cz-805-bren-s1-carbine/ View Quote How about they do a solid by those who already have one and offer a conversion kit... |
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Sorry, this is the best I can do right now without just grabbing a Google pic. https://s13.postimg.org/kndz7jcqf/20161115_182215.jpg So here's a Google pic. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DiVr0vALWeA/U2AIQ8patEI/AAAAAAAABEg/QRmduoKhluY/w640-h400-p-k/CZ-805%2BBREN.jpg View Quote Is that a Magpul G36 mag? I wasn't aware the Bren took G36 mags too. |
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Is that a Magpul G36 mag? I wasn't aware the Bren took G36 mags too. View Quote Yeah, the 805 Bren rifle the Czechs issued prior to the Bren 2 used a magazine that was, essentially, a knock off of the G36 magazine. They did this since the G36 uses a well-designed mag, along with making the rifle more attractive to other countries that currently issue the G36, who may be looking for a new rifle. The Bren 2 uses STANAG mags and Pmags. |
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Yeah, the 805 Bren rifle the Czechs issued prior to the Bren 2 used a magazine that was, essentially, a knock off of the G36 magazine. They did this since the G36 uses a well-designed mag, along with making the rifle more attractive to other countries that currently issue the G36, who may be looking for a new rifle. The Bren 2 uses STANAG mags and Pmags. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is that a Magpul G36 mag? I wasn't aware the Bren took G36 mags too. Yeah, the 805 Bren rifle the Czechs issued prior to the Bren 2 used a magazine that was, essentially, a knock off of the G36 magazine. They did this since the G36 uses a well-designed mag, along with making the rifle more attractive to other countries that currently issue the G36, who may be looking for a new rifle. The Bren 2 uses STANAG mags and Pmags. Whereas they seem to function and feed just fine, and I like the way they insert and extract vs. the Czech mags, occasionally the follower doesn't catch the bolt hold open lever, so it doesn't lock back when empty. The catch arm is just a wee short with these mags. Just learned this the other day about them. Something to be aware of... |
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I would like to clarify one thing in regards to the Magpul G36 mags though and the old mag system... Whereas they seem to function and feed just fine, and I like the way they insert and extract vs. the Czech mags, occasionally the follower doesn't catch the bolt hold open lever, so it doesn't lock back when empty. The catch arm is just a wee short with these mags. Just learned this the other day about them. Something to be aware of... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Is that a Magpul G36 mag? I wasn't aware the Bren took G36 mags too. Yeah, the 805 Bren rifle the Czechs issued prior to the Bren 2 used a magazine that was, essentially, a knock off of the G36 magazine. They did this since the G36 uses a well-designed mag, along with making the rifle more attractive to other countries that currently issue the G36, who may be looking for a new rifle. The Bren 2 uses STANAG mags and Pmags. Whereas they seem to function and feed just fine, and I like the way they insert and extract vs. the Czech mags, occasionally the follower doesn't catch the bolt hold open lever, so it doesn't lock back when empty. The catch arm is just a wee short with these mags. Just learned this the other day about them. Something to be aware of... Good to know. I've heard more than a few times that the bolt doesn't always lock back, even with USGI and Pmags, and a lot more people have said that the bolt will close on its own when removing the empty mag. I'd just stick to windowed mags and wouldn't count on it always locking open. |
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Good to know. I've heard more than a few times that the bolt doesn't always lock back, even with USGI and Pmags, and a lot more people have said that the bolt will close on its own when removing the empty mag. I'd just stick to windowed mags and wouldn't count on it always locking open. View Quote 1) You can see how the follower and bolt hold back lever, just barely miss each other with the Magpul G36 mags... Attached File 2) ... but if the follower is tilted slightly back, they catch fine ... Attached File 3) ... and you can see how the tab on the back of the follower with the Czech mags is longer. |
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OK, since I'm a little determined to make the Magpul G36's work in the "retro" mag well (and just because I like to figure things out), I took a look
at the STANAG mag well that comes with the gun. Low and behold, the follower "leg" is longer than on the G36 setup! The STANAG bolt catch leg is .470 and the G36 one is .365 Attached File Interestingly, the STANAG bolt catch fits fine into the "G36" mag well, but not the other way around. This is because of the shape at the bottom of the bolt catch. The "G36" is longer... Attached File So I put the STANAG bolt catch into the G36 mag well and tried a Magpul G36 mag. Looking promising! Attached File But then, Shit! Attached File So, I'm thinking if I file that leg down by about .050 it should work flawlessly. Should. |
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Does anyone know how the barrel is held in place? View Quote the front of the receiver. ETA: Recommended torque for re-installing barrel is 8 N/m in this sequence: 2 4 6
Muzzle <---- 1 3 5 (As viewed from the top of the gun.) |
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View Quote Methinks it's dumb as shit to use anything other than steel AK mags for 7.62x39. Granted, redesigning the polymer lower with a magwell that places a rock-in magazine where it needs to be without modifying the upper receiver is a gigantic PITA, but it's still a better solution than going with unproven proprietary magazines. Had to've been done so CZ could sell their own magazines. |
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Methinks it's dumb as shit to use anything other than steel AK mags for 7.62x39. Granted, redesigning the polymer lower with a magwell that places a rock-in magazine where it needs to be without modifying the upper receiver is a gigantic PITA, but it's still a better solution than going with unproven proprietary magazines. Had to've been done so CZ could sell their own magazines. View Quote |
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Can an ACOG in a standard TA51/aftermarket QD mount (Larue, ADM, GDI, etc) clear the factory low profile irons, or will I need a spacer/KRAM? Getting closer to the idea of picking up a PS1.
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How well does the Bren 805 run suppressed? I know the Scar16 has a suppressed setting... Bren have one too?
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A picture of my Bren. I think this is how I will leave it for now. Quite happy with it. https://s23.postimg.org/ehstyde2j/20170125_182042.jpg (Click to enlarge) Specs: 14" SBR CZ Bayonet CZ Side Rails CZ Skeleton stock Original "G3" Mag Well Patriot Brown Cerakote Faux Select Fire Markings Czech Issue Sling in vz.95 Camo Steiner M332 I'll try and take better pictures in the daylight. View Quote Definitely digging the bayonet. Very cool. |
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A picture of my Bren. I think this is how I will leave it for now. Quite happy with it. https://s23.postimg.org/ehstyde2j/20170125_182042.jpg (Click to enlarge) Specs: 14" SBR CZ Bayonet CZ Side Rails CZ Skeleton stock Original "G3" Mag Well Patriot Brown Cerakote Faux Select Fire Markings Czech Issue Sling in vz.95 Camo Steiner M332 I'll try and take better pictures in the daylight. View Quote You are the 805 whisperer. That's a hell of a build. Did you make any progress on that mag catch modification you had looked at for the Magpul G36 mags? |
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A picture of my Bren. I think this is how I will leave it for now. Quite happy with it. https://s23.postimg.org/ehstyde2j/20170125_182042.jpg (Click to enlarge) Specs: 14" SBR CZ Bayonet CZ Side Rails CZ Skeleton stock Original "G3" Mag Well Patriot Brown Cerakote Faux Select Fire Markings Czech Issue Sling in vz.95 Camo Steiner M332 I'll try and take better pictures in the daylight. View Quote Very nice, I like how you went back to its roots . |
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No suppressor setting, it's pretty gassy. A new piston will solve all of this, if anyone is listening. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How well does the Bren 805 run suppressed? I know the Scar16 has a suppressed setting... Bren have one too? No suppressor setting, it's pretty gassy. A new piston will solve all of this, if anyone is listening. New piston? Wouldn't a new gas regulator solve the issue without changing any other core components? |
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No suppressor setting, it's pretty gassy. A new piston will solve all of this, if anyone is listening. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How well does the Bren 805 run suppressed? I know the Scar16 has a suppressed setting... Bren have one too? No suppressor setting, it's pretty gassy. A new piston will solve all of this, if anyone is listening. ETA: Double tap. Damn site gave me the "ARFcom server is down." message. |
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Did you make any progress on that mag catch modification you had looked at for the Magpul G36 mags? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Did you make any progress on that mag catch modification you had looked at for the Magpul G36 mags? I guess I should have followed up with that, huh? I ended up filing off about .060 from the longer bolt catch to the point I was comfortable that it would work with either the Czech mags or the Magpul ones. However, now I need to order a replacement bolt catch for the STANAG mag well that came on the gun. Quoted:
tifosi how do you like the Steiner M332? I got it while my receiver was out for Cerakote and just mounted it before taking that pic, so I haven't even sighted it in yet. Initial impressions though: Built like a tank, great glass, illumination settings work great. I'd say the reticle is much smaller than I was expecting, then again, not sure what I was expecting, still works just fine and I guess it has to be that size to act as a BDC reticle in 3x. The front cap is useless and just falls off. I'm going to look into some sort of adhesive to hold it in place. Overall though, seems like a great scope. Quoted:
How do you do the faux selector markings? Light touch with a drill bit? A little more than that ... I drew out the pattern in CAD and then cut it out of vinyl using my wifes Cameo Silhouette machine, so I would have a template. Then used a small bench top milling machine to cut the depressions with a 9/64" end mill to a depth of .020 (You could use a drill press I suppose, as long as you have a way to precisely control the depth...) Clean up the edges by hand and then fill with Testors Enamel "Sunburst" (#2758) which is the closest color I could find to the original marking. (Still filled in that one too so they all would match 100%) If anyone is interested, I can post the CAD file or the Silhouette file if you have one of those contraptions, or know somebody that does. |
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A picture of my Bren. I think this is how I will leave it for now. Quite happy with it. https://s23.postimg.org/ehstyde2j/20170125_182042.jpg (Click to enlarge) Specs: 14" SBR CZ Bayonet CZ Side Rails CZ Skeleton stock Original "G3" Mag Well Patriot Brown Cerakote Faux Select Fire Markings Czech Issue Sling in vz.95 Camo Steiner M332 I'll try and take better pictures in the daylight. View Quote Pretty slick. Looks just like the real deal the LGS has. Who did you use for the barrel chop? Still runs good I assume? |
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Pretty slick. Looks just like the real deal the LGS has. Who did you use for the barrel chop? Still runs good I assume? View Quote ADCO for the barrel. (And when I say 14", that is 14" overall length, from breech to muzzle. Not measured from the bolt face which is how we measure barrels in the US for legal reasons. That was the measurement that seamed to work right for mounting the bayonet. I think the declared length on the form 1 is 13.625 or something like that. ) |
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I have a Bren on order and was curious to those who have done the euro magwell, how diffficult was it and how difficult is it to swap? Also are FDE ones available? I've been looking around trying to find an install video on the magwell and haven't found anything
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Soooo...is the 805 Carbine 922r compliant as it ships, out of the box? I can't figure it out from the CZ site. After seeing the ACR stock on the Bren I'm really starting to think the 805 might be my next rifle purchase. If the 922r stuff is covered. As an HK fan with a USC I'm officially sick of messing around with 922r.
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Soooo...is the 805 Carbine 922r compliant as it ships, out of the box? I can't figure it out from the CZ site. After seeing the ACR stock on the Bren I'm really starting to think the 805 might be my next rifle purchase. If the 922r stuff is covered. As an HK fan with a USC I'm officially sick of messing around with 922r. View Quote The carbine is GTG out the box. |
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I have a Bren on order and was curious to those who have done the euro magwell, how diffficult was it and how difficult is it to swap? Also are FDE ones available? I've been looking around trying to find an install video on the magwell and haven't found anything View Quote Never saw a FDE one, but not looking either. Drive out pin, slide magwell out from top of dovetail, insert retro one. I don't see a need to pin it, held on by the upper when assembled. |
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Never saw a FDE one, but not looking either. Drive out pin, slide magwell out from top of dovetail, insert retro one. I don't see a need to pin it, held on by the upper when assembled. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a Bren on order and was curious to those who have done the euro magwell, how diffficult was it and how difficult is it to swap? Also are FDE ones available? I've been looking around trying to find an install video on the magwell and haven't found anything Never saw a FDE one, but not looking either. Drive out pin, slide magwell out from top of dovetail, insert retro one. I don't see a need to pin it, held on by the upper when assembled. Might have to tap the current magwell off, some are a very tight fit. For casual plinking, pinning is not necessary. If you ever intend on using this rifle for defensive purposes or rough handling, re-pinning it would be the best option, if only for peace of mind. |
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Never saw a FDE one, but not looking either. Drive out pin, slide magwell out from top of dovetail, insert retro one. I don't see a need to pin it, held on by the upper when assembled. View Quote The pin may be more to keep idle soldiers from separating the parts and losing them. AJ |
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Might have to tap the current magwell off, some are a very tight fit. For casual plinking, pinning is not necessary. If you ever intend on using this rifle for defensive purposes or rough handling, re-pinning it would be the best option, if only for peace of mind. View Quote For serious use I would stick to the AR magwell. The front pin that holds the upper and lower together would have to break for it to move though. Unless you have a mill or drill press to index the location, drilling is just a guess as to pin location on the retro mag well. |
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Has anyone sent in their 805 for warranty work? I send mine in about 3 weeks ago, looked like the barrel was bulged about 1/4" from the gas port. Wondering how long it would take. Also will they be able to replace the barrel here or send it to Czech republic or replace the whole pistol?
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Has anyone sent in their 805 for warranty work? I send mine in about 3 weeks ago, looked like the barrel was bulged about 1/4" from the gas port. Wondering how long it would take. Also will they be able to replace the barrel here or send it to Czech republic or replace the whole pistol? View Quote Don't have an 805 yet, but I did have to send back my Scorpion for a stripped screw. They had it turned around in a couple days. Swapping the barrel is a relatively straightforward operation, so it largely depends on them having spares, which I would assume they do. It is about the only part they don't sell as a spare though, so I'm just guessing. Give them a call or email and they should be able to tell you what's going on, they've always been great to deal with when I've needed to talk to them. Unrelated note, I followed tifosi's advice on the retro magwell and fitting the STANAG bolt stop and had pretty good results. I think I ended up a little further than 0.060", but it doesn't need much beyond the retro stop arm length to activate on the Magpul mags. That said, the springs in the Magpul mags are much wimpier than the Czech 805 factory mags, so they have a harder time pushing up on the stop. I oiled/worked it a bit and it seems to move better, so we'll see how it goes. Just need to buy the damn 805 now. |
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Might have to tap the current magwell off, some are a very tight fit. For casual plinking, pinning is not necessary. If you ever intend on using this rifle for defensive purposes or rough handling, re-pinning it would be the best option, if only for peace of mind. View Quote Having said that, either CZ or the Czech Army wanted it there, so if you plan on going to battle with your Bren ... well, you'll just have to weigh out those benefits for you. The nice thing about not having the pin installed is that you can swap between mag wells in < 60 seconds. If you do decide to reinstall the pin, it is .119 diameter (3 mm), so use a bit slightly undersized. Like a #32 (15/64) Also, use a drill press to keep it straight. If you think you can drill it free hand, you can't. |
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Has anyone sent in their 805 for warranty work? I send mine in about 3 weeks ago, looked like the barrel was bulged about 1/4" from the gas port. Wondering how long it would take. Also will they be able to replace the barrel here or send it to Czech republic or replace the whole pistol? View Quote Wow. This post prompts me to ask many questions! 1. Was it like that out of the box or did you notice that after some use? 2. Did you look down the barrel with a light to see if there was a squib round or some other obstruction? 3. Was this forward or behind the gas block? 4. Do you have pictures? To answer your primary question, CZ-USA can easily change the barrel in house. If they don't have spares, they may take a barrel from an in-stock boxed item, but I don't know that for sure. ETA: Then again, possibly not as the gas block is also serialized. Just thought of that, so that would have to be considered. Please update us with the resolution / cause. Thanks. |
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I bought it new and shot around 100rds through it. When cleaning any gun i inspect them to see if anything is broken or unusual wear patterns. after cleaning the barrel (any barrel) i looks through them into light, and noticed a ring about 1/4" muzzle side of the gas port. rings like that usually mean its bulged. had no issues when shooting and shot like a champ.
my ideas about the barrels are that they are Czech made, not US made. Are they able to import barrels? i don't think they are set up to make US barrels (also wonder where 300blk barrels are made). would they import a new barrel, swap out serialized gas block? send it to CZUB for replacement or just send a new, different pistol to my FFL as a replacement? called CZ yesterday and they said they received the pistol on jan 24th but no one has looked at it yet. curious to see what happens. wont be happy if they say its nothing, because there shouldn't be a dark ring in any barrel. |
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Nah just 5.56
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Picking up a Bren 805 carbine tomorrow for $1,640 at a local shop, do a lot of business their and he's cutting me a good deal.
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So while we're on the subject of the Bren. We have a shop Bren that's slowly coming together. It's got a few things done to it, but we still need a permanent optic for it, as well as trying to decide if it should be cerakoted, and if so what pattern or color. And to ditch the factory iron sights. Hoping to have the barrel threaded this coming week, as the adapter feels too long. Any suggestions you guys may have for our Bren? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/455283/bren1-154520.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/455283/bren2-154521.jpg View Quote That looks awesome. But it's missing something... Maybe a Dead Air Wolverine? That uses 14L threads. If it'll work on AK's from different countries, it ought to work just fine on a Bren. Hell, if the threads are long enough, one could use a jam nut to keep the can from backing off. Seeing as it's over-bored to prevent baffle strikes from 7.62x39, minor alignment issues with 5.56 shouldn't be a problem. ETA: If you guys have a Wolverine or if you can get your hands on one, would you be willing to try it out on the Bren before having the threads changed? |
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That looks awesome. But it's missing something... Maybe a Dead Air Wolverine? That uses 14L threads. If it'll work on AK's from different countries, it ought to work just fine on a Bren. Hell, if the threads are long enough, one could use a jam nut to keep the can from backing off. Seeing as it's over-bored to prevent baffle strikes from 7.62x39, minor alignment issues with 5.56 shouldn't be a problem. ETA: If you guys have a Wolverine or if you can get your hands on one, would you be willing to try it out on the Bren before having the threads changed? View Quote We have a wolverine in the shop but it's living on an m92 SBR right now. Unfortunately the threads were done earlier today before I read your reply, sorry about that. I think right now we're going with either a Specwar K orrrrr I'm not sure what. I'm trying to decide if we wanna go with a direct thread short can. That reminds me. We need some new buis too. The factory CZ are way too low imo. |
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We have a wolverine in the shop but it's living on an m92 SBR right now. Unfortunately the threads were done earlier today before I read your reply, sorry about that. I think right now we're going with either a Specwar K orrrrr I'm not sure what. I'm trying to decide if we wanna go with a direct thread short can. That reminds me. We need some new buis too. The factory CZ are way too low imo. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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That looks awesome. But it's missing something... Maybe a Dead Air Wolverine? That uses 14L threads. If it'll work on AK's from different countries, it ought to work just fine on a Bren. Hell, if the threads are long enough, one could use a jam nut to keep the can from backing off. Seeing as it's over-bored to prevent baffle strikes from 7.62x39, minor alignment issues with 5.56 shouldn't be a problem. ETA: If you guys have a Wolverine or if you can get your hands on one, would you be willing to try it out on the Bren before having the threads changed? We have a wolverine in the shop but it's living on an m92 SBR right now. Unfortunately the threads were done earlier today before I read your reply, sorry about that. I think right now we're going with either a Specwar K orrrrr I'm not sure what. I'm trying to decide if we wanna go with a direct thread short can. That reminds me. We need some new buis too. The factory CZ are way too low imo. It's alright, I should've gotten on ARFcom earlier. Will ask Tim over on the Military Arms Channel, though I don't know if his Bren pistol has the 14mm threads. I like the low-set CZ sights, but I only shot the Bren with the original non-collapsible folding stock, and the pistol version with a brace and T1 on it. Personally, I like the Griffin M4SD2 and Sig SRD556, myself. Been looking at the SRD since it can be pinned onto a short barrel, so if the HPA passes, it'd make for a really sweet zero-stamp SBR setup. I loved the Griffin I got to play with, it was sweet as hell, but I'm used to the KAC NT4, so take that with a grain of salt. |
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