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Posted: 4/21/2014 7:01:45 PM EDT
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It'll be out soon after the factory conversion kits I'm sure.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 10:52:57 PM EDT
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Really interested in the new Remington ACR. The new one they made with the removable pistol grip, it's lighter, etc etc. Anyone have an idea when we will see it? This one but the civvies version. Http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/firearms/carbine/acr.aspx Never dude, the ACR is dead in the water... |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 12:25:16 AM EDT
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Does anyone know how many ACRs have been sold VS it's competitors?
For example, IWI has said on it's Facebook page that they have shipped 20K of Tavors by mid-March of this year. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 2:47:36 AM EDT
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Meh
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:27:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: Really interested in the new Remington ACR. The new one they made with the removable pistol grip, it's lighter, etc etc. Anyone have an idea when we will see it?    |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:30:29 AM EDT
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Really interested in the new Remington ACR. The new one they made with the removable pistol grip, it's lighter, etc etc. Anyone have an idea when we will see it? http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130210072313/glee/images/4/48/Never....gif http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130215212705/glee/images/b/be/Never-GIF.gif http://www.bopandtigerbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/we-are-never-ever.gif Yeah this covers it. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:54:35 AM EDT
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It looks cool. However, when I need "adaptive" I push two capture pins and replace the upper on my AR15. As neat as the ACR looks, I'm not going to pay the coin they want for one when I've already got AR15s that work, work well and I can buy a few different uppers for for the same price as the ACR...
Needless to say, unless they somehow bamboozle congress into forcing the Army to adopt the ACR to replace the M4, the ACR is dead.... |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 8:29:55 AM EDT
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As others have said, the ACR is dead at both the military and the civie levels. Crappy quality control and failure to support the weapon on the commercial side has guaranteed that it won't even be a footnote in 3rd Gen carbine history. As a disgruntled, former ACR owner, I say FBM and FACR.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 12:11:45 PM EDT
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I own an ACR and like it. But even I know that the notion of RemDef releasing the magnesium version is a fevered pipe dream.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 4:09:43 PM EDT
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I don't understand what it is with these companies.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:45:09 PM EDT
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I'm friends with a former FG R&D tech who owns a single digit SN example of both.
There's no substantive difference between the Remington and BM guns. Remington Defense owns the designs of stuff like the handguard and magnesium lowers, but the guns are basically the same. ETA: Oh, and the Masada wasn't the awesome, perfect, unable to be improved rifle it's been romanticized to be. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 6:17:43 PM EDT
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I will wait for my Radom MSBS built in Texas.
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Posted: 4/22/2014 8:13:35 PM EDT
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ETA: Oh, and the Masada wasn't the awesome, perfect, unable to be improved rifle it's been romanticized to be. I got my head tore off here and elsewhere pointing out that a magazine/plastics company was going to have a hell of a time making it's first rifle. Saying that MP was never going to deliver it's original deadline of making the Masada within year after showing the prototype at Shot ( remember that? ) was treated as outright blasphemy . ETA: for those who don't know me here (most) , I was a machinist for almost 20 years, so I know what it takes to bring stuff made of metal to market. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 10:43:49 PM EDT
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I still really want that acr just disappointed in the wait. I'll just keep playing with my ar's and ak's I guess. I just art can't bring myself to buy a scar. They Just don't feel right
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:16:30 PM EDT
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If you want it, buy it. There are two on the self at Sportsmans Warehouse in Helena.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 3:51:12 PM EDT
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I got my head tore off here and elsewhere pointing out that a magazine/plastics company was going to have a hell of a time making it's first rifle. Saying that MP was never going to deliver it's original deadline of making the Masada within year after showing the prototype at Shot ( remember that? ) was treated as outright blasphemy . ETA: for those who don't know me here (most) , I was a machinist for almost 20 years, so I know what it takes to bring stuff made of metal to market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ETA: Oh, and the Masada wasn't the awesome, perfect, unable to be improved rifle it's been romanticized to be. I got my head tore off here and elsewhere pointing out that a magazine/plastics company was going to have a hell of a time making it's first rifle. Saying that MP was never going to deliver it's original deadline of making the Masada within year after showing the prototype at Shot ( remember that? ) was treated as outright blasphemy . ETA: for those who don't know me here (most) , I was a machinist for almost 20 years, so I know what it takes to bring stuff made of metal to market. Meh. Shillbots come out in force whenever I disparage MP stuff. I dont care 'cause their shillbots. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:38:19 PM EDT
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I'm friends with a former FG R&D tech who owns a single digit SN example of both. There's no substantive difference between the Remington and BM guns. Remington Defense owns the designs of stuff like the handguard and magnesium lowers, but the guns are basically the same. ETA: Oh, and the Masada wasn't the awesome, perfect, unable to be improved rifle it's been romanticized to be. There's a huge difference between the current Remington prototype and the Bushwacker. Your friend probably has a prototype from a few years ago. The Remington ACR would be a neat addition to the market however I still think Knight's has the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:05:06 PM EDT
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There's a huge difference between the current Remington prototype and the Bushwacker. Your friend probably has a prototype from a few years ago. The Remington ACR would be a neat addition to the market however I still think Knight's has the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm friends with a former FG R&D tech who owns a single digit SN example of both. There's no substantive difference between the Remington and BM guns. Remington Defense owns the designs of stuff like the handguard and magnesium lowers, but the guns are basically the same. ETA: Oh, and the Masada wasn't the awesome, perfect, unable to be improved rifle it's been romanticized to be. There's a huge difference between the current Remington prototype and the Bushwacker. Your friend probably has a prototype from a few years ago. The Remington ACR would be a neat addition to the market however I still think Knight's has the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. I'm sure in the last couple years since he left FG there's been some serious R&D done on the ACR. I'd be interested in knowing what kind of changes have been made. I'm fairly certain most of the wailing and gnashing of "I want the Remington 'cause it's better" stems from long before there was a substantive difference between the 2. When the MCX hits the market I'm fairly certain that it will be the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:49:05 PM EDT
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I'm sure in the last couple years since he left FG there's been some serious R&D done on the ACR. I'd be interested in knowing what kind of changes have been made. I'm fairly certain most of the wailing and gnashing of "I want the Remington 'cause it's better" stems from long before there was a substantive difference between the 2. When the MCX hits the market I'm fairly certain that it will be the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm friends with a former FG R&D tech who owns a single digit SN example of both. There's no substantive difference between the Remington and BM guns. Remington Defense owns the designs of stuff like the handguard and magnesium lowers, but the guns are basically the same. ETA: Oh, and the Masada wasn't the awesome, perfect, unable to be improved rifle it's been romanticized to be. There's a huge difference between the current Remington prototype and the Bushwacker. Your friend probably has a prototype from a few years ago. The Remington ACR would be a neat addition to the market however I still think Knight's has the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. I'm sure in the last couple years since he left FG there's been some serious R&D done on the ACR. I'd be interested in knowing what kind of changes have been made. I'm fairly certain most of the wailing and gnashing of "I want the Remington 'cause it's better" stems from long before there was a substantive difference between the 2. When the MCX hits the market I'm fairly certain that it will be the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. Dear god, no way would I take that SIG abomination over even a standard AR Last I saw of the Remington, they incorporated the following changes: -Almost 2lbs lighter by removing the tool-less quick change caliber conversion and replaced it with a LMT/SCAR styled tool change -Low-profile and folding charging handle -Thinner handguard -Lighter trigger guard -AR-15 swappable pistol grip -AR-15 styled safety -Enhancements to the gas piston porting They've really capitalized on some of the best features of the AR-15 and if they ever bring it to market, it will be a welcome addition for sure 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:54:30 PM EDT
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Dear god, no way would I take that SIG abomination over even a standard AR Last I saw of the Remington, they incorporated the following changes: -Almost 2lbs lighter by removing the tool-less quick change caliber conversion and replaced it with a LMT/SCAR styled tool change -Low-profile and folding charging handle -Thinner handguard -Lighter trigger guard -AR-15 swappable pistol grip -AR-15 styled safety -Enhancements to the gas piston porting They've really capitalized on some of the best features of the AR-15 and if they ever bring it to market, it will be a welcome addition for sure http://www.all4shooters.com/de/Spezial/Messen-2013/SHOT-Show-2013/Pro-Zone/Remington%20ACR-PDW.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm friends with a former FG R&D tech who owns a single digit SN example of both. There's no substantive difference between the Remington and BM guns. Remington Defense owns the designs of stuff like the handguard and magnesium lowers, but the guns are basically the same. ETA: Oh, and the Masada wasn't the awesome, perfect, unable to be improved rifle it's been romanticized to be. There's a huge difference between the current Remington prototype and the Bushwacker. Your friend probably has a prototype from a few years ago. The Remington ACR would be a neat addition to the market however I still think Knight's has the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. I'm sure in the last couple years since he left FG there's been some serious R&D done on the ACR. I'd be interested in knowing what kind of changes have been made. I'm fairly certain most of the wailing and gnashing of "I want the Remington 'cause it's better" stems from long before there was a substantive difference between the 2. When the MCX hits the market I'm fairly certain that it will be the pinnacle 5.56 carbine. Dear god, no way would I take that SIG abomination over even a standard AR Last I saw of the Remington, they incorporated the following changes: -Almost 2lbs lighter by removing the tool-less quick change caliber conversion and replaced it with a LMT/SCAR styled tool change -Low-profile and folding charging handle -Thinner handguard -Lighter trigger guard -AR-15 swappable pistol grip -AR-15 styled safety -Enhancements to the gas piston porting They've really capitalized on some of the best features of the AR-15 and if they ever bring it to market, it will be a welcome addition for sure http://www.all4shooters.com/de/Spezial/Messen-2013/SHOT-Show-2013/Pro-Zone/Remington%20ACR-PDW.JPG Interesting. 
As for the MCX... well I had a bit of time on the protos, have friends working on it, and know the people working on it's development. It's awesome. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 2:38:41 PM EDT
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Dear god, no way would I take that SIG abomination over even a standard AR Last I saw of the Remington, they incorporated the following changes: -Almost 2lbs lighter by removing the tool-less quick change caliber conversion and replaced it with a LMT/SCAR styled tool change -Low-profile and folding charging handle -Thinner handguard -Lighter trigger guard -AR-15 swappable pistol grip -AR-15 styled safety -Enhancements to the gas piston porting They've really capitalized on some of the best features of the AR-15 and if they ever bring it to market, it will be a welcome addition for sure http://www.all4shooters.com/de/Spezial/Messen-2013/SHOT-Show-2013/Pro-Zone/Remington%20ACR-PDW.JPG I think that is one of the best design decisions they could have made. When the Masada prototype first came out I thought the tool-less barrel change system was really cool, but the more I thought about it I began to think that is was unnecessary, especially given the weight of the system. I really hope those changes make their way down to the commercial version. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 7:43:59 PM EDT
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What's a ACR?
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:02:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:41:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYawn. It took 20 years to import Polish AKs to the States. Holding my breath for these. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:44:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. As for the MCX... well I had a bit of time on the protos, have friends working on it, and know the people working on it's development. It's awesome. Frankly, if the MCX had a operating handle anywhere other than the AR position, I'd probably be throwing my money at my computer screen right now, but as it is, that's the only thing I'm sad about. if KAC won't make their PDW in 300blk, then SIG will... |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:48:15 PM EDT
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Hoping to make the MCX my next sbr...any details on the operating system you can share? I assume it's a short stroke, but no one seems to have any pictures of it...
Frankly, if the MCX had a operating handle anywhere other than the AR position, I'd probably be throwing my money at my computer screen right now, but as it is, that's the only thing I'm sad about. if KAC won't make their PDW in 300blk, then SIG will... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interesting.
As for the MCX... well I had a bit of time on the protos, have friends working on it, and know the people working on it's development. It's awesome.
Frankly, if the MCX had a operating handle anywhere other than the AR position, I'd probably be throwing my money at my computer screen right now, but as it is, that's the only thing I'm sad about. if KAC won't make their PDW in 300blk, then SIG will... No, sorry. You realize the KAC PDW has an AR CH, right? I've personally been hoping KAC will retool their PDW for 300BLK. As for the CH location, in the age of lights, optics, IR illuminators, and clip-on NV and thermals, that it's THE BEST generic location for a CH. Back on topic, I've always loved the "Remington" ACR. I hope that whenever FG start selling off companies that the ACR picks up again. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:50:48 PM EDT
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Yawn. It took 20 years to import Polish AKs to the States. Holding my breath for these. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yawn. It took 20 years to import Polish AKs to the States. Holding my breath for these. They are building a factory in Texas. 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:47:16 PM EDT
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I keep thinking about selling my ACR. Then I go out and shoot it. With the gas set to suppressed, and my surefire can, it's the softest shooting 5.56 rifle around. Mine has been 100% reliable since I got it. It's plenty accurate. Granted, it's just a play gun, but it does what it needs to do, and does it well.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:19:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryCZ has officially stated, in no uncertain terms, that the 805 is not coming to the USA. Oh SNAP! That's the Radom.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOk, where the fuck can I get that box of 5.56 and how much does it cost? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:59:35 PM EDT
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CZ has officially stated, in no uncertain terms, that the 805 is not coming to the USA. Oh SNAP! That's the Radom.
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CZ has officially stated, in no uncertain terms, that the 805 is not coming to the USA. Oh SNAP! That's the Radom.
Fuck yeah Radom.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:59:56 PM EDT
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Ok, where the fuck can I get that box of 5.56 and how much does it cost? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ok, where the fuck can I get that box of 5.56 and how much does it cost? IM Montrala?
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Posted: 4/28/2014 4:23:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You realize the KAC PDW has an AR CH, right? I've personally been hoping KAC will retool their PDW for 300BLK. Also agreed that the only real hope for the ACR is for FG to sell off either whole companies or just the IP to someone who gives a damn about it. There's clearly a lot of passion (in a small group of people) for the platform, and there's nothing really wrong with it... Oh well, wish in one hand, shit in the other etc, etc.
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Posted: 4/28/2014 10:15:05 AM EDT
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They are building a factory in Texas. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yawn. It took 20 years to import Polish AKs to the States. Holding my breath for these. They are building a factory in Texas. Again, holding my breath. The main person behind "the factory" has been trying to get stuff out of them for decades. So far, not even so much as a limited run of 100 of some generic AK. |
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Posted: 4/28/2014 6:12:30 PM EDT
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The biggest upgrade to the Remington Acr vs a Bushmaster is the weight. it's supposed to be 6.2 pounds with a fluted 14.5 inch barrel and collapsible stock, vs an enhanced Acr at 8.5 ish pounds.
Even with almost everything done to my Acr it's still 7.2 pounds. If I lightened the barrel I could get it right under 7 pounds. Personally I don't see it coming to the civilian market unless something major changes at FGI. |
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