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Posted: 4/3/2017 8:02:28 PM EDT

Need to know which one(s) will for sure work. Going to rifle-mount the laser.

Posted: 4/3/2017 8:20:00 PM EDT

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I think that was covered in your last post?

Posted: 4/3/2017 8:49:54 PM EDT

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any laser will work with a thermal scope in that you can use them conjointly as separate sighting systems. However, there isn't a laser you can see THROUGH thermal that I'm aware of unless it was so hot that it was a weapon in and of itself.

Posted: 4/3/2017 9:36:36 PM EDT

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any laser will work with a thermal scope in that you can use them conjointly as separate sighting systems. However, there isn't a laser you can see THROUGH thermal that I'm aware of unless it was so hot that it was a weapon in and of itself.

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This pretty much covers it. If a laser dot is warm enough to show up on thermal, the person or animal will know it is being lased and react accordingly, thus destroying the best advantage of thermal... nothing knows that you are out there looking at them in the pitch black.

Posted: 4/3/2017 10:09:13 PM EDT

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No uncooled Vanadium Oxide microbolometer in the world operates in the NV near IR wavelengths of 800-950 nanometers. They all operate in mid-wave IR of 7.5-15 microns.

Since 1 nanometer is exactly 1/1000th of a micron, your basically completely SOL.

Posted: 4/3/2017 10:15:50 PM EDT

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You'll burn your eye out, kid.

Posted: 4/3/2017 10:33:37 PM EDT

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Well... A 20 to 100 Watt CO2 laser might work. But the water cooling pump would probably be heavy and noisy.

And ZnSn optics can be tricky.

PORTABLE 40W CO2 LASER HANDHELD RANGE TEST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4SlrIKCsB0

Posted: 4/4/2017 2:00:06 AM EDT

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No uncooled Vanadium Oxide microbolometer in the world operates in the NV near IR wavelengths of 800-950 nanometers. They all operate in mid-wave IR of 7.5-15 microns.

Since 1 nanometer is exactly 1/1000th of a micron, your basically completely SOL.

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Posted: 4/4/2017 2:09:34 AM EDT

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I think that was covered in your last post?

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+1

If you want a different answer then you are going to need to ask a different group. We are going to keep saying the same thing.

Posted: 4/4/2017 10:23:48 AM EDT

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SNIPR POD

Posted: 4/4/2017 10:39:23 AM EDT

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Need to know which one(s) will for sure work. Going to rifle-mount the laser.

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Trying to figure out exactly what you're trying to accomplish here.

As everyone has mentioned, you can't see the laser beam/spot with a thermal scope the way you can with ii (image intensification) NIR (Near InfraRed) NODs (Night Observation Devices). Not unless the beam had enough power to heat up the target, in which case, a live target would obviously notice.

What you CAN do is mount an IR/NIR laser on a rifle that has a thermal scope and sight align them both so you can lase targets for buddies with NIR but not thermal eg. to point out piggies in brush or cover that may not be easily visible, and potentially overlooked with NIR NODs alone (the thermal will highlight any warm blooded mammal that could be hard to see with image intensifiers).

When your buddies with NIR know where to look from you lasing the piggies, they can zero in on the movement.

Max

Posted: 4/4/2017 11:08:55 AM EDT

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I want a laser rifle

Posted: 4/4/2017 11:50:40 AM EDT

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I want a laser rifle

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Yeah, a 15,000 watt laser rifle that cuts through 1/2" T-500 steel like butter!

I'm sure I'd be able to see that one in action with any of my 30 different thermal instruments.

Posted: 4/4/2017 12:18:39 PM EDT

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Trying to figure out exactly what you're trying to accomplish here.

As everyone has mentioned, you can't see the laser beam/spot with a thermal scope the way you can with ii (image intensification) NIR (Near InfraRed) NODs (Night Observation Devices). Not unless the beam had enough power to heat up the target, in which case, a live target would obviously notice.

What you CAN do is mount an IR/NIR laser on a rifle that has a thermal scope and sight align them both so you can lase targets for buddies with NIR but not thermal eg. to point out piggies in brush or cover that may not be easily visible, and potentially overlooked with NIR NODs alone (the thermal will highlight any warm blooded mammal that could be hard to see with image intensifiers).

When your buddies with NIR know where to look from you lasing the piggies, they can zero in on the movement.

Max

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This is reasonable. At this point the laser is strictly being used as a pointer for the team and not as an aiming reference for the user.

I don't think this is what the OP is doing, though, because he never mentioned a team. Besides, at that point, the compatibility has nothing to do with the OP's TI - the compatibility issue at that point is with the team mates I² devices, which were also not mentioned.

You could be on the right track, though. Maybe the OP has some larger system into which he is trying to incorporate the laser that he has failed to mention, thereby tossing all of us off of the track. OP?

Posted: 4/4/2017 12:28:00 PM EDT

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Look into the Insight PAS-23 MTM. it has an integrated IR pointer laser with the thermal.

Posted: 4/4/2017 11:09:18 PM EDT

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Quantum Cascade Lasers are proven visible in uncooled microbolometer imagers.
This work from 2006 gives some background.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a462655.pdf

Since 2006, QCL devices have matured significantly and are found in many devices.

Google up a QCL that fits the bill for use with commercial, LWIR thermal imagers, post the info here, and make a few bucks.

Posted: 4/5/2017 7:21:35 AM EDT

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When you build the cryogenic cooler for your weapon mounted QCL laser, be sure to build it big enough for instant cool down of dead hogs in the field too.

Posted: 4/9/2017 1:25:59 AM EDT

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No cryo-cooling needed, Skypup. This is 2017.

http://www.daylightsolutions.com/defense-and-security/def-products/

Posted: 4/9/2017 11:10:26 AM EDT

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Even better yet is just buy any simple NV scope, all the IR lasers in the world will become self-evident!

Posted: 4/10/2017 11:15:00 AM EDT

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I seriously doubt that Daylight Solutions would sell a commander's pointer stated to be for marking targets for his troops who are viewing through LWIR and MWIR thermal gear when that pointer would be visible to any commercial I squared NVG or to any lesser workaround for detecting near-visible IR radiation.
If the capability to paint targets for "normal" (or even the extended-spectrum) I squared NVG equipment is available in the Comtac , it is not mentioned in the product description.

Because the ad is as typically brief as all the available ads of this breed are, we are left to speculate about what is not mentioned. So all we can assume is the pointer emits laser energy visible only to LWIR and MWIR thermal equipment.

Daylight Solutions is an interesting company that makes laser products with wavelengths in the 4-12 µm range.

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