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If you had to start over, please make recommendations.
PVS 14? Weapon mount or head? Aiming laser required? Beginning my search and looking for info. Thanks for your time. |
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I would start with a 14 and IR laser. Lasers come in all flavors and depend on what your needs are and what setup you have with your weapon. Call TNVC and have a chat. Low pressure folks. They advise all the time without even making a sale
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I think more information on intended use, distances and terrain will be important for acquiring that information.
And if you've been following the HD19a thread, ya may also need an eye exam ta check yer rods-n-cones. d:^) Jake.. |
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If I had it to do over again, I'd start with thermal instead of NV.
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If I had it to do over again, I'd start with thermal instead of NV. View Quote Just depends on what the users real needs are. If pointing your gun at everything you want to shoot and spot at with only close range ID and no navigation for walking around, then thermal may be good. For ID, navigation and true versatility, standard I^2 devices rule. Thermal is still the king of detection, and knowing something is out there. They both compliment each other well. |
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I would recommend a PVS14 helmet mounted with an IR laser.
What are your uses and budget? |
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt.
Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. |
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. View Quote Hmmm...Give us a call if you like in Monday or PM. We can discuss some options for you. Be happy to assist and understand what you are really needing. |
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Hmmm...Give us a call if you like in Monday or PM. We can discuss some options for you. Be happy to assist and understand what you are really needing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. Hmmm...Give us a call if you like in Monday or PM. We can discuss some options for you. Be happy to assist and understand what you are really needing. Thanks. Is there someone I should ask for? |
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If you are trying to decide on NV vs thermal check out our rental program. We can rent you both and apply the rental to a purchase if you end up going that route. The best education you can get is first hand use with a couple devices you are considering. We would love to help point you in the right direction, but in the end the choice is yours and there is no substitute for real-world use in your individual situation.
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. View Quote Do you wanna be able hunt or just see if anything's there with a concealable device? I'm kindofa newb as well and for what you're describing it sounds a bit like ya might want something to help detect trespassers without gettin too gung ho or "spendy" over it. Are you just trying to cover your coupla acres? I had great luck working with the guys at Ultimate Night Vision on a recent purchase and they were very helpful without being pushy. The rental program is excellent for checking out these things under your specific circumstances. Good luck to ya either way. d:^) Jake.. |
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Thanks. Is there someone I should ask for? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. Hmmm...Give us a call if you like in Monday or PM. We can discuss some options for you. Be happy to assist and understand what you are really needing. Thanks. Is there someone I should ask for? All the folks who answer the phone at TNVC are VERY well versed in night vision. Even his office manager and stock man has night vision down ! Ask for Vic , Chip , Sam or any of the others. They are all good. |
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Thanks. Is there someone I should ask for? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. Hmmm...Give us a call if you like in Monday or PM. We can discuss some options for you. Be happy to assist and understand what you are really needing. Thanks. Is there someone I should ask for? As Dino said you can ask for any of us, me included still answer the phones. My technical staff is made up of Vets and LE personnel and lifetime hunters. One who is ex 20 year Army special operations who runs up our NV NightFighter training courses around the country, and another special operations of no name types, another a Marine Puke with gobs of NV experience, another Navy Puke that ran sensor programs and shoots hogs nightly, another long time SWAT officer, another former SWAT sniper, and a lifetime hunter who runs our sister company Nightgoggles and guide service who has shot more varmints, predators, etc. and is probably one of the all around best hunters in North America. I think you will be in good hands on all fronts for your specific needs....We all live and breath this stuff, not just "sell" but educate first and foremost. If not, PM me for my cell number and you can talk with me personally, I'm not hard to reach, been around here since 2002. Vic |
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Nice "ghetto" pics (as you called them) Couch-Commando, nothing wrong with that at all! Good work.
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. View Quote What kind of range do you want to be able to detect at vs. get positive I.D.? What are you going to do with the info (call the police, let out the dogs, turn on all the property lights and yell surprise)? I'm not a lawyer but I don't think I'd be shooting anyone with my NV unless they where already shooting at me, I wouldn't want to deal with the reporters |
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If I had it to do over again, I'd start with thermal instead of NV. Same here. I did start out with thermal first. Worked out perfectly. If i could only keep one, it would be thermal. Problem is the bug bites you when you find out how fun it is, and useful. Now i have,,,,more For detecting living, warm things in the night, nothing beats thermal. My wife stares around with the night vision,,,then i show her the deer standing 30 yards away, disguised in the trees, with the thermal,, that she missed with the night vision. |
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I started out into night vision by posting a similar thread back in January. Ended up in short order assembling a PVS14 from ebay parts and an image intensifier I got from an arfcommer. Couldn't be happier with it. View Quote I really want to build my first PVS-14 but I am having a huge problem finding a tube. |
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There is a current thread here discussing that subject. Pulsar/Atn/Armasight.
What is your budget? Maybe you can get both. A gen2 D-300 is a nice nv monocular for less than a pvs14 gen 3. One of those and a 384/336 scope would make a nice package. |
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If you had to start over, please make recommendations. PVS 14? Weapon mount or head? Aiming laser required? Beginning my search and looking for info. Thanks for your time. View Quote Start with, What problem are you trying to solve? For last 2 years, I have not used a laser or I2. I am 100% thermal right now. |
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Start with, What problem are you trying to solve? For last 2 years, I have not used a laser or I2. I am 100% thermal right now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you had to start over, please make recommendations. PVS 14? Weapon mount or head? Aiming laser required? Beginning my search and looking for info. Thanks for your time. Start with, What problem are you trying to solve? For last 2 years, I have not used a laser or I2. I am 100% thermal right now. Are you using it as a scope? It seems the NV can be paires easily with a laser, not sure how you do similar with NV unless its a scope. |
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Are you using it as a scope? It seems the NV can be paires easily with a laser, not sure how you do similar with NV unless its a scope. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you had to start over, please make recommendations. PVS 14? Weapon mount or head? Aiming laser required? Beginning my search and looking for info. Thanks for your time. Start with, What problem are you trying to solve? For last 2 years, I have not used a laser or I2. I am 100% thermal right now. Are you using it as a scope? It seems the NV can be paires easily with a laser, not sure how you do similar with NV unless its a scope. IRHunter is my primary scope, I also have some FLIR products navigation, observation, etc. |
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. View Quote You're going to have many people tell you that you need to spend many thousands of dollars on something that might not get used much. They'll insist it be gen 3 blah blah blah. I've got an armasight spark core that was $499 plus head gear. For $499 is perfect for around the house. Was I on a very tight budget when I bought it? Sure. If the moon isn't out does an illuminatir help. big time? Sure. But for aroundvthe house it works. With a bigger budget I'm looking at pvs-7, gen 3 used on EE. That's still a far cry from $3000+ for the PVS-14. Even used they are $1809+ And it sounds like you're not a super operator or hunting every night. Like I said, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, it is the night vision forum, but $1200 can get you really good pvs-7 which should really cover what you need and more. But if you have the money go all out. I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't. It if you're on a budget it's easy to get carried away and "justify" to yourself why you "need" a $3000 unit. Cost benefit analysis. |
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Quoted: You're going to have many people tell you that you need to spend many thousands of dollars on something that might not get used much. They'll insist it be gen 3 blah blah blah. I've got an armasight spark core that was $499 plus head gear. For $499 is perfect for around the house. Was I on a very tight budget when I bought it? Sure. If the moon isn't out does an illuminatir help. big time? Sure. But for aroundvthe house it works. With a bigger budget I'm looking at pvs-7, gen 3 used on EE. That's still a far cry from $3000+ for the PVS-14. Even used they are $1809+ And it sounds like you're not a super operator or hunting every night. Like I said, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, it is the night vision forum, but $1200 can get you really good pvs-7 which should really cover what you need and more. But if you have the money go all out. I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't. It if you're on a budget it's easy to get carried away and "justify" to yourself why you "need" a $3000 unit. Cost benefit analysis. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. You're going to have many people tell you that you need to spend many thousands of dollars on something that might not get used much. They'll insist it be gen 3 blah blah blah. I've got an armasight spark core that was $499 plus head gear. For $499 is perfect for around the house. Was I on a very tight budget when I bought it? Sure. If the moon isn't out does an illuminatir help. big time? Sure. But for aroundvthe house it works. With a bigger budget I'm looking at pvs-7, gen 3 used on EE. That's still a far cry from $3000+ for the PVS-14. Even used they are $1809+ And it sounds like you're not a super operator or hunting every night. Like I said, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, it is the night vision forum, but $1200 can get you really good pvs-7 which should really cover what you need and more. But if you have the money go all out. I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't. It if you're on a budget it's easy to get carried away and "justify" to yourself why you "need" a $3000 unit. Cost benefit analysis. As the poster above mentioned, if you don't want to do stuff like take photographs or have peripheral vision, the PVS7 is much easier to build cheap. There are image intensifiers out the wazoo on ebay for 300-500 bucks with parts kits going for $800. |
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Quoted: I would get a used PVS14 or build one from parts. Those pictures I posted above were from a PVS14 I assembled from ebay parts and an image intensifier sold to me by a fellow arfcommer. I spent a grand total of $1250 on the parts and assembled it myself with advice from folks on this board. A few months of patience should easily get you a gen 3 PVS14 for $1500. You can buy them for $2000 all day long. One day soon I will have a real job, and when that happens, I'll start saving up for a TNVC binocular of some type. Until then, I'm having a hell of a good time with my ghettotacular OMNI VII autogated PVS14. There are some disadvantages to this approach. I got the tube cheap because one of the pins on the pig tail was missing. This does cause some issues, though they are always fixed with a nice solid slap. As the poster above mentioned, if you don't want to do stuff like take photographs or have peripheral vision, the PVS7 is much easier to build cheap. There are image intensifiers out the wazoo on ebay for 300-500 bucks with parts kits going for $800. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. You're going to have many people tell you that you need to spend many thousands of dollars on something that might not get used much. They'll insist it be gen 3 blah blah blah. I've got an armasight spark core that was $499 plus head gear. For $499 is perfect for around the house. Was I on a very tight budget when I bought it? Sure. If the moon isn't out does an illuminatir help. big time? Sure. But for aroundvthe house it works. With a bigger budget I'm looking at pvs-7, gen 3 used on EE. That's still a far cry from $3000+ for the PVS-14. Even used they are $1809+ And it sounds like you're not a super operator or hunting every night. Like I said, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, it is the night vision forum, but $1200 can get you really good pvs-7 which should really cover what you need and more. But if you have the money go all out. I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't. It if you're on a budget it's easy to get carried away and "justify" to yourself why you "need" a $3000 unit. Cost benefit analysis. As the poster above mentioned, if you don't want to do stuff like take photographs or have peripheral vision, the PVS7 is much easier to build cheap. There are image intensifiers out the wazoo on ebay for 300-500 bucks with parts kits going for $800. If you are a DIYer there is no doubt you can same some serious cash by building your own PVS-14. There is a good deal on new MIL-Spec PVS-14 parts kits for $700 after ARFCOM discount in the EE. Just thought y'all might want to know. |
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I would get a used PVS14 or build one from parts. Those pictures I posted above were from a PVS14 I assembled from ebay parts and an image intensifier sold to me by a fellow arfcommer. I spent a grand total of $1250 on the parts and assembled it myself with advice from folks on this board. A few months of patience should easily get you a gen 3 PVS14 for $1500. You can buy them for $2000 all day long. One day soon I will have a real job, and when that happens, I'll start saving up for a TNVC binocular of some type. Until then, I'm having a hell of a good time with my ghettotacular OMNI VII autogated PVS14. There are some disadvantages to this approach. I got the tube cheap because one of the pins on the pig tail was missing. This does cause some issues, though they are always fixed with a nice solid slap. As the poster above mentioned, if you don't want to do stuff like take photographs or have peripheral vision, the PVS7 is much easier to build cheap. There are image intensifiers out the wazoo on ebay for 300-500 bucks with parts kits going for $800. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not heavy use. I had a couple vehicle break ins, i live on a couple acres. I was doing a little walking my property at night to see what was going on and quickly realized how nice some help would be. Not specifically for SHTF type event, but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Would prefer to avoid a helmet for mount as trying to stay low profile. You're going to have many people tell you that you need to spend many thousands of dollars on something that might not get used much. They'll insist it be gen 3 blah blah blah. I've got an armasight spark core that was $499 plus head gear. For $499 is perfect for around the house. Was I on a very tight budget when I bought it? Sure. If the moon isn't out does an illuminatir help. big time? Sure. But for aroundvthe house it works. With a bigger budget I'm looking at pvs-7, gen 3 used on EE. That's still a far cry from $3000+ for the PVS-14. Even used they are $1809+ And it sounds like you're not a super operator or hunting every night. Like I said, I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, it is the night vision forum, but $1200 can get you really good pvs-7 which should really cover what you need and more. But if you have the money go all out. I'm not going to sit here and say I wouldn't. It if you're on a budget it's easy to get carried away and "justify" to yourself why you "need" a $3000 unit. Cost benefit analysis. As the poster above mentioned, if you don't want to do stuff like take photographs or have peripheral vision, the PVS7 is much easier to build cheap. There are image intensifiers out the wazoo on ebay for 300-500 bucks with parts kits going for $800. Any links on how to build up a pvs14? I built a cascade tube nvg & wouldn't mind trying a 14, but electronics are a bit outside of my field. |
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I read a guide from an arfcommer I found google searching, and watched this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTwvNjY8210 View Quote Funny, I was just screwing around googling 14 kits and stumbled onto that video. It looks easier than I thought. ETA - are there specific tubes that will work with the 14 kits? Can I stick a pvs 7 tube in a 14 body? |
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I read a guide from an arfcommer I found google searching, and watched this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTwvNjY8210 View Quote That video is by a friend we call "Stan" (not his real name). It is a good overview of the process but not complete. Good starting point but this forum is your best resource. Many guys have built there own here. We know what to avoid and the fine details to get it right. Stan knows how to do it right but his video is a brief how to missing some stuff. |
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