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Posted: 12/9/2015 11:42:43 AM EDT

Was with a buddy yesterday zeroing his perfectly legal, legitimately purchased ATPIAL-C. Normally, because many gun owners are Fudds, stupid, ignorant, and generally quick to make a fool of themselves I don't pay much attention when someone walks over and starts clamoring about "That there thing..." But this guy was dressed well. He looked like he had showered recently (probably that very morning!) and actually spoke coherently so I paid attention when he spoke.

He politely informed us that he was a "Law enforcement officer" and the PEQ15 we were using was "presumed stolen" under FDA guidelines and that we would have to surrender it.

My response, verbatim, was the following:

"That sounds like a good way to get suckers to hand over their stolen high power units, but this is a legally purchased civilian model." Because, you know, we were being truthful and thought it was just a mistake on his part.

After my buddy stared at him with an awkward "Alright, so, what the fuck do you want to do about it?" glance, we pulled up TNVC's website on our phones thinking he was mistaken and would apologize for the inconvenience. He refused to accept the unit was legit and made us extremely uncomfortable the rest of the afternoon trying to get the serial number off of it.

Anyone ran into anything of this sort before? Holy shit... Never showed us LEO creds but someone at the range said he was FDLE. In hindsight, I wish I started recording him so I could publicly shame him for being a douchebag. Doing your job is one thing, but living life assuming everyone is a criminal makes for a piss poor LEO.

Posted: 12/9/2015 11:52:03 AM EDT

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Was with a buddy yesterday zeroing his perfectly legal, legitimately purchased ATPIAL-C. Normally, because many gun owners are Fudds, stupid, ignorant, and generally quick to make a fool of themselves I don't pay much attention when someone walks over and starts clamoring about "That there thing..." But this guy was dressed well. He looked like he had showered recently (probably that very morning!) and actually spoke coherently so I paid attention when he spoke.

He politely informed us that he was a "Law enforcement officer" and the PEQ15 we were using was "presumed stolen" under FDA guidelines and that we would have to surrender it.

My response, verbatim, was the following:

"That sounds like a good way to get suckers to hand over their stolen high power units, but this is a legally purchased civilian model." Because, you know, we were being truthful and thought it was just a mistake on his part.

After my buddy stared at him with an awkward "Alright, so, what the fuck do you want to do about it?" glance, we pulled up TNVC's website on our phones thinking he was mistaken and would apologize for the inconvenience. He refused to accept the unit was legit and made us extremely uncomfortable the rest of the afternoon trying to get the serial number off of it.

Anyone ran into anything of this sort before? Holy shit... Never showed us LEO creds but someone at the range said he was FDLE. In hindsight, I wish I started recording him so I could publicly shame him for being a douchebag. Doing your job is one thing, but living life assuming everyone is a criminal makes for a piss poor LEO.

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Tell him to call the cops if he wants. Otherwise stfu.

Posted: 12/9/2015 11:58:38 AM EDT

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Wow that takes "range nazi" to a whole new level.

Posted: 12/9/2015 12:20:06 PM EDT

[#3]

I have had a similar experience but with other NFA equipment. Some A hole claiming he is LE and wants to see my "papers". I just laughed in the guys face and told him to GTFO. What is even more funny is I was LE when this happened and have never seen the guy before in my l life and we were pretty small there.

Posted: 12/9/2015 12:21:05 PM EDT

[#4]

Just keep this image on your phone

Posted: 12/9/2015 12:26:53 PM EDT

[#5]

Correct response, are you on duty? Let me see your credentials. IF not I am calling the local cops for you impersonating a law enforcement officer. As far as getting the numbers off my scope, get some one with credentials and a warrant.

Posted: 12/9/2015 12:28:28 PM EDT

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This is good advice, and I should have heeded it. Guy was just a weirdo the way he kept meandering over trying to look at it.

Honestly, the whole debacle has made me question whether or not I want an ATPIAL-C anymore. On the other hand, there are high power models of the DBALs as well so what's to stop anyone from bothering you regardless of what you have? This is what owners of machine guns must feel like at public ranges.

Has anyone else encountered this?

Posted: 12/9/2015 12:30:51 PM EDT

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Correct response, are you on duty? Let me see your credentials. IF not I am calling the local cops for you impersonating a law enforcement officer. As far as getting the numbers off my scope, get some one with credentials and a warrant.

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and took a pic of him with your phones.

Posted: 12/9/2015 12:35:21 PM EDT

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This is good advice, and I should have heeded it. Guy was just a weirdo the way he kept meandering over trying to look at it.

Honestly, the whole debacle has made me question whether or not I want an ATPIAL-C anymore. On the other hand, there are high power models of the DBALs as well so what's to stop anyone from bothering you regardless of what you have? This is what owners of machine guns must feel like at public ranges.

Has anyone else encountered this?

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Correct response, are you on duty? Let me see your credentials. IF not I am calling the local cops for you impersonating a law enforcement officer. As far as getting the numbers off my scope, get some one with credentials and a warrant.

This is good advice, and I should have heeded it. Guy was just a weirdo the way he kept meandering over trying to look at it.

Honestly, the whole debacle has made me question whether or not I want an ATPIAL-C anymore. On the other hand, there are high power models of the DBALs as well so what's to stop anyone from bothering you regardless of what you have? This is what owners of machine guns must feel like at public ranges.

Has anyone else encountered this?

No not at all, but I would like to talk with this Officer as well.

In the future do ask politely for creds, and then ask for his supervisor, then give out the serial number so I can take the call.

Vic

Posted: 12/9/2015 12:38:12 PM EDT

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What a moron.

Paddy had the proper response.

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Correct response, are you on duty? Let me see your credentials. IF not I am calling the local cops for you impersonating a law enforcement officer. As far as getting the numbers off my scope, get some one with credentials and a warrant.

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Posted: 12/9/2015 12:39:35 PM EDT

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This is good advice, and I should have heeded it. Guy was just a weirdo the way he kept meandering over trying to look at it.

Honestly, the whole debacle has made me question whether or not I want an ATPIAL-C anymore. On the other hand, there are high power models of the DBALs as well so what's to stop anyone from bothering you regardless of what you have? This is what owners of machine guns must feel like at public ranges.

Has anyone else encountered this?

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Correct response, are you on duty? Let me see your credentials. IF not I am calling the local cops for you impersonating a law enforcement officer. As far as getting the numbers off my scope, get some one with credentials and a warrant.

This is good advice, and I should have heeded it. Guy was just a weirdo the way he kept meandering over trying to look at it.

Honestly, the whole debacle has made me question whether or not I want an ATPIAL-C anymore. On the other hand, there are high power models of the DBALs as well so what's to stop anyone from bothering you regardless of what you have? This is what owners of machine guns must feel like at public ranges.

Has anyone else encountered this?

Eh, get a DBAL D2. It's a HUGE bitch, but I don't think there is a .mil version.

Posted: 12/9/2015 1:02:58 PM EDT

[#11]

lol

Posted: 12/9/2015 1:23:13 PM EDT

[#12]

That's my ATPIAL-C, I don't know you.

Posted: 12/9/2015 2:01:10 PM EDT

[#13]

privately owned range? if so, i would have raised the issue with someone who worked at the range and told them that some guy was impersonating an officer and trying to steal my stuff through harassment. problem would quickly resolve itself.

Posted: 12/9/2015 2:20:13 PM EDT

[#14]

Get his badge number and file a complain with internal affair.

Posted: 12/10/2015 3:55:39 AM EDT

[#15]

Someone wanted a free laser beam.

At least he didn't arrest you. Be thankful.

Posted: 12/10/2015 7:02:43 AM EDT

[#16]

If at a private range, could you report him to the range safety officer, or the owner(s).

If he's getting creepy close/hovering he's creating a danger because he's out of position, making you/other shooters nervous, distracting you, etc.

Get his ass banned from the range, if you can.

Posted: 12/15/2015 5:48:48 PM EDT

[#17]

Demand credentials.

Take name and card. If he doesn't then fuck off, then tell him to fuck off and call supervisor and complain. Fuck that noise.

Posted: 12/15/2015 7:57:50 PM EDT

[#18]

Doesn't sound like the guy was really an officer. You may want to tell the range what happened so others don't get scammed.

Posted: 12/15/2015 8:44:57 PM EDT

[#19]

I would LOVE someone to pull that shit with me at my range. Please. They would be booted so fast there would be a sonic crack from their ass - which you should have been all up in with your "LEO".

If you want it, buy it. Why let some random idiot intimidate you from a legal product? Are you that easily intimidated? Eff that, get one and use it proudly.

Posted: 12/15/2015 9:02:23 PM EDT

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Was with a buddy yesterday zeroing his perfectly legal, legitimately purchased ATPIAL-C. Normally, because many gun owners are Fudds, stupid, ignorant, and generally quick to make a fool of themselves I don't pay much attention when someone walks over and starts clamoring about "That there thing..." But this guy was dressed well. He looked like he had showered recently (probably that very morning!) and actually spoke coherently so I paid attention when he spoke.

He politely informed us that he was a "Law enforcement officer" and the PEQ15 we were using was "presumed stolen" under FDA guidelines and that we would have to surrender it.

My response, verbatim, was the following:

"That sounds like a good way to get suckers to hand over their stolen high power units, but this is a legally purchased civilian model." Because, you know, we were being truthful and thought it was just a mistake on his part.

After my buddy stared at him with an awkward "Alright, so, what the fuck do you want to do about it?" glance, we pulled up TNVC's website on our phones thinking he was mistaken and would apologize for the inconvenience. He refused to accept the unit was legit and made us extremely uncomfortable the rest of the afternoon trying to get the serial number off of it.

Anyone ran into anything of this sort before? Holy shit... Never showed us LEO creds but someone at the range said he was FDLE. In hindsight, I wish I started recording him so I could publicly shame him for being a douchebag. Doing your job is one thing, but living life assuming everyone is a criminal makes for a piss poor LEO.

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Curious if the range was in Manatee county since you're listed as being in FL. About six months ago a guy was awfully interested in my class 1 IR laser to the point that I didn't really care to leave my weapon to go down range and change targets. WTF is wrong with people? I've never had anyone question my silencers before though.

Posted: 12/15/2015 9:44:56 PM EDT

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No, this was at Shooter's World in Tampa.

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If you want it, buy it. Why let some random idiot intimidate you from a legal product? Are you that easily intimidated? Eff that, get one and use it proudly.

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Yes I was very afraid.

Posted: 12/15/2015 9:53:53 PM EDT

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I didn't mean it that way. Only that you said you might not get one because of hassles. I have not had any, and I like mine. What an ignorant jerk, though.

Posted: 12/16/2015 8:05:19 AM EDT

[#23]

Point taken. I guess what I should have asked is if you run into a (real) idiot agent and he's being a dick about it - what can you really do to prove it isn't a stolen .mil version on the spot?

I know I'm new to this forum, but I've been on others and have seen the "I just got a phone call from Agent xxxx regarding a PEQ15 I just bought..." threads. Which I've never understood because they never seem to have a warrant or anything?

Posted: 12/16/2015 8:27:57 AM EDT

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Point taken. I guess what I should have asked is if you run into a (real) idiot agent and he's being a dick about it - what can you really do to prove it isn't a stolen .mil version on the spot?

I know I'm new to this forum, but I've been on others and have seen the "I just got a phone call from Agent xxxx regarding a PEQ15 I just bought..." threads. Which I've never understood because they never seem to have a warrant or anything?

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Show them the model number on it showing it's a civilian version.

Posted: 12/16/2015 9:33:57 AM EDT

[#25]

Think of all the more important things they could be doing with their lives.

Posted: 12/16/2015 12:02:43 PM EDT

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Point taken. I guess what I should have asked is if you run into a (real) idiot agent and he's being a dick about it - what can you really do to prove it isn't a stolen .mil version on the spot?

I know I'm new to this forum, but I've been on others and have seen the "I just got a phone call from Agent xxxx regarding a PEQ15 I just bought..." threads. Which I've never understood because they never seem to have a warrant or anything?

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print a copy of your TNVC invoice and throw in in a range bag

Posted: 12/16/2015 12:08:22 PM EDT

[#27]

Let them confiscate it. Sue, get paid then buy more gear.

Posted: 12/16/2015 5:53:32 PM EDT

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Point taken. I guess what I should have asked is if you run into a (real) idiot agent and he's being a dick about it - what can you really do to prove it isn't a stolen .mil version on the spot?

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Tell him it is an Airsoft fake. The IR light does not even work. Let him look into it to see for himself.

Posted: 12/16/2015 7:31:35 PM EDT

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Tell him to call the cops if he wants. Otherwise stfu.

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Was with a buddy yesterday zeroing his perfectly legal, legitimately purchased ATPIAL-C. Normally, because many gun owners are Fudds, stupid, ignorant, and generally quick to make a fool of themselves I don't pay much attention when someone walks over and starts clamoring about "That there thing..." But this guy was dressed well. He looked like he had showered recently (probably that very morning!) and actually spoke coherently so I paid attention when he spoke.

He politely informed us that he was a "Law enforcement officer" and the PEQ15 we were using was "presumed stolen" under FDA guidelines and that we would have to surrender it.

My response, verbatim, was the following:

"That sounds like a good way to get suckers to hand over their stolen high power units, but this is a legally purchased civilian model." Because, you know, we were being truthful and thought it was just a mistake on his part.

After my buddy stared at him with an awkward "Alright, so, what the fuck do you want to do about it?" glance, we pulled up TNVC's website on our phones thinking he was mistaken and would apologize for the inconvenience. He refused to accept the unit was legit and made us extremely uncomfortable the rest of the afternoon trying to get the serial number off of it.

Anyone ran into anything of this sort before? Holy shit... Never showed us LEO creds but someone at the range said he was FDLE. In hindsight, I wish I started recording him so I could publicly shame him for being a douchebag. Doing your job is one thing, but living life assuming everyone is a criminal makes for a piss poor LEO.

Tell him to call the cops if he wants. Otherwise stfu.

Have a receipt? Willing to go full retard? Call the cops on him for harassment right then and there.

Posted: 12/17/2015 3:33:31 PM EDT

[#30]

Tell him to show you credentials, then call the real police.

In this state, impersonating law enforcement is a class 4 felony, and we/SA's take it VERY seriously.

Don't let some dingbat ruin your fun, and enjoy your atpial.

Posted: 12/18/2015 12:28:13 PM EDT

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Tell him it is an Airsoft fake. The IR light does not even work. Let him look into it to see for himself.

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Point taken. I guess what I should have asked is if you run into a (real) idiot agent and he's being a dick about it - what can you really do to prove it isn't a stolen .mil version on the spot?

Tell him it is an Airsoft fake. The IR light does not even work. Let him look into it to see for himself.

Posted: 12/18/2015 3:28:22 PM EDT

[#32]

I have a full powered unit and never ran into that at any ranges I've been to. Most people don't even know what it is. I doubt anyone would ever even ask about it.

Here's an idea for next time. Tell him to fuck off.

Posted: 12/18/2015 8:45:10 PM EDT

[#33]

OP,
Practice this until you have the line down just right:

I've never understood the logic behind people insisting on initiating a confrontation at a gun range.

Posted: 12/20/2015 1:05:20 AM EDT

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No, this was at Shooter's World in Tampa.

Yes I was very afraid.

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No, this was at Shooter's World in Tampa.

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If you want it, buy it. Why let some random idiot intimidate you from a legal product? Are you that easily intimidated? Eff that, get one and use it proudly.

Yes I was very afraid.

Why?
Tell him to fuck off, demand credentials, call a real cop, complain about a stalker to range staff.

Posted: 12/20/2015 4:57:24 PM EDT

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Why?
Tell him to fuck off, demand credentials, call a real cop, complain about a stalker to range staff.

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No, this was at Shooter's World in Tampa.

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If you want it, buy it. Why let some random idiot intimidate you from a legal product? Are you that easily intimidated? Eff that, get one and use it proudly.

Yes I was very afraid.

Why?
Tell him to fuck off, demand credentials, call a real cop, complain about a stalker to range staff.

It's just so scary!!

Posted: 12/21/2015 11:18:12 AM EDT

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Tell him it is an Airsoft fake. The IR light does not even work. Let him look into it to see for himself.

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Point taken. I guess what I should have asked is if you run into a (real) idiot agent and he's being a dick about it - what can you really do to prove it isn't a stolen .mil version on the spot?

Tell him it is an Airsoft fake. The IR light does not even work. Let him look into it to see for himself.

awesome

Posted: 12/21/2015 5:59:18 PM EDT

[#37]

The more I think about it, the angrier I get.

Next time, call the police on that shithead.

Posted: 12/21/2015 11:39:13 PM EDT

[#38]

I would first smile, then chuckle and keep on blasting...

Posted: 12/22/2015 9:35:07 AM EDT

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Agreed, but then you walk down range to move or look at your target and you have to worry that there is some chucklefuck diddling your firearm/LAM.

Posted: 12/22/2015 9:59:29 AM EDT

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print a copy of your TNVC invoice and throw in in a range bag

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Point taken. I guess what I should have asked is if you run into a (real) idiot agent and he's being a dick about it - what can you really do to prove it isn't a stolen .mil version on the spot?

I know I'm new to this forum, but I've been on others and have seen the "I just got a phone call from Agent xxxx regarding a PEQ15 I just bought..." threads. Which I've never understood because they never seem to have a warrant or anything?

print a copy of your TNVC invoice and throw in in a range bag

Fuck that

Posted: 12/22/2015 4:49:50 PM EDT

[#41]

I would've told him to SMD personally, knowing it's an ATPIAL-C.

Posted: 12/22/2015 5:09:03 PM EDT

[#42]

My cousin traded an AR-15 and $500 cash for one about a year ago.

When he posted it for sale on E-bay he was contacted by CID and Article 15ed by the Army for possession of stolen property.

Posted: 12/22/2015 5:39:16 PM EDT

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My cousin traded an AR-15 and $500 cash for one about a year ago.

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Then it wasn't an ATPIAL-C right? It had to have been a PEQ-15 or an LA-5 if it was proven stolen gov property....

Posted: 12/22/2015 5:42:53 PM EDT

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Yeah it was stolen Gov't property. He thought it was a civilian model, but the serial number traced back to an Army unit in Germany.

Posted: 12/22/2015 6:13:39 PM EDT

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Yeah it was stolen Gov't property. He thought it was a civilian model, but the serial number traced back to an Army unit in Germany.

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That fucking sucks bro. This is the reason everybody should avoid buying/selling LAM's from fleabay. Obviously an ATPIAL-C is the safest route.

Posted: 12/22/2015 6:47:42 PM EDT

[#46]

Next time Tell him to show you his leo creds or you will call the police.

If he has some, then just tell him to fuck off.

Posted: 12/22/2015 7:13:06 PM EDT

[#47]

I would have told him to go fuck himself, not to try coming within ten feet of it, and to go fuck himself.

If you don't offer your ID first, it will be presumed you're lying about being any kind of LE.