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Posted: 4/24/2015 7:01:10 PM EDT
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Let's see some pics of the pouch. Order placed for the extender today. We'll get some pics of the pouch once the final sew work is completed. The girls are hard at it getting them sewn up from our latest design. We think you and others will really like what you see and the versatility built into it. For now, here is a pic of the battery extender installed. We just had a few show up today and the rest will be here Monday that we will be sending out. Also, for those getting the extenders, do not forget to got to the configuration menu and change to the three battery option. The unit will still work without the option change, but you will not see the correct battery capacity icon displaying the battery level correctly. 
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Posted: 4/25/2015 11:22:27 PM EDT
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A few days back we saw some work IRD has been doing with some NV (I^2) and thermal comparisons from different locales and enviroments. HERE is a link to it. They will have much more to add in the next few weeks or so showing many more scenerios which we feel will assist some first responders out by there as well.
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Posted: 4/26/2015 10:45:10 AM EDT
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Impressive detail and clarity! I need a IR Patrol in my life ASAP...
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Posted: 4/26/2015 2:34:58 PM EDT
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A few days back we saw some work IRD has been doing with some NV (I^2) and thermal comparisons from different locales and enviroments. HERE is a link to it. They will have much more to add in the next few weeks or so showing many more scenerios which we feel will assist some first responders out by there as well.
The guy in that video makes reference to the 12 micron core providing better image detail, is that actually true? I was under the impression that the main advantage to smaller pixel pitch was reduction in size/weight/power consumption. From what I've read, these smaller cores do allow systems to get more magnification than older 17 and 25 micron cores for the same lens size, but that wouldn't necessarily translate to better clarity correct? If my thermal itch hadn't already been scratched, I would probably be looking pretty hard at the patrol. Cool video
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Posted: 4/26/2015 11:28:26 PM EDT
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The guy in that video makes reference to the 12 micron core providing better image detail, is that actually true? I was under the impression that the main advantage to smaller pixel pitch was reduction in size/weight/power consumption. From what I've read, these smaller cores do allow systems to get more magnification than older 17 and 25 micron cores for the same lens size, but that wouldn't necessarily translate to better clarity correct? If my thermal itch hadn't already been scratched, I would probably be looking pretty hard at the patrol. Cool video Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A few days back we saw some work IRD has been doing with some NV (I^2) and thermal comparisons from different locales and enviroments. HERE is a link to it. They will have much more to add in the next few weeks or so showing many more scenerios which we feel will assist some first responders out by there as well.
The guy in that video makes reference to the 12 micron core providing better image detail, is that actually true? I was under the impression that the main advantage to smaller pixel pitch was reduction in size/weight/power consumption. From what I've read, these smaller cores do allow systems to get more magnification than older 17 and 25 micron cores for the same lens size, but that wouldn't necessarily translate to better clarity correct? If my thermal itch hadn't already been scratched, I would probably be looking pretty hard at the patrol. Cool video This is a complicated question, in reality a 38um Micro or 25um Micron having 4 to 6 times the surface area should yield more sensitivity. But in reality the technologies and fab materials become newer along with the smaller micron pitch so as things get smaller the Focal Planes get more sensitive. Also newer algorithms and software along with better analog and digital circuits to power and drive the FPA's. If you could take all the technology that is in the 12um micron and make a 38um micron with it the sensor would rock but it would be huge and the sight would be huge and it would eat up 5 times the power. I still have a TVS-4, we loaned it to the movie "The Rock" so you probably have seen this actual sight. It was made in the 80's and uses a Gen 1 tube. I think it rules over a Gen 3 as long as I do not look at a bright light, but it also weights 40 pounds and has a tripod the size of a missile launcher to support it. The point is smaller technology brings us more than just performance, it opens up new uses and makes devices more portable. Scott |
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Posted: 4/27/2015 1:07:03 PM EDT
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IRD has informed us the M250's Patrols will be shipping by the end of the week (LE100's the week after), and the M300W's are 3-4 weeks after that.
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Posted: 4/27/2015 5:01:21 PM EDT
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Here is the next chart showing the battery life comparison with the new battery extension for the Mk2 units. I have also placed the IR Patrol chart I posted last week here for reference, here are those notes.
The chart below represents test results with the IR Hunter Mk2 for 2 battery and with the extension along with the new IR Patrol battery results for both single and with the extension. The specific battery used for testing was the Energizer Lithium CR123's. As I mentioned before, since we are about to release our new TNVC Mini-DVR, Rifle/Helmet pouch, cables, and wanted to incorporate a external battery pack...But IR Defense has informed us they will not support nor warranty units in the event these units may be damaged by using any external battery packs, rechargeables, etc. for use on both the IR Hunters and IR Patrol systems. With that said, the use of the battery extender is currently the only way to increase battery life without voiding any warranties. 
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Posted: 4/27/2015 5:18:16 PM EDT
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The extenders are on the way to us via the brown truck. Just email us to get on the list and we will send out. Chip will have these on the web site by weeks end. Thanks guys.
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Posted: 4/27/2015 11:48:51 PM EDT
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Officially IR Defense only recommends using standard CR123 type batteries. Using rechargeable batteries of any kind is not recommended because improper use can result in damage, explosion and personal injury.
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Posted: 4/28/2015 12:18:42 AM EDT
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Officially IR Defense only recommends using standard CR123 type batteries. Using rechargeable batteries of any kind is not recommended because improper use can result in damage, explosion and personal injury. Thanks for the official response Scott which we've officially reiterated since the onset. We've had numerous emails about this aspect about battery packs, etc. which are ALL rechargeable in that manner. We will not put anything to market the manufacturer such as yourself does not recommend for use in their devices. This is critically important for our LE market in relation to your products. We hope in the near future IRD tests and endorses an external source that will fully meet your reliability standards in that regard. My guess you will one day, but we know it takes thousands of life cycles in many aspects to qualify a device for reliable use. To the rest of our valued customers, we do what we're told from the actual manufacturer with all our products and only recommend and use what their extensive test and experience tells us. We believe them. .
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:19:12 PM EDT
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Gentleman, the long awaited battery extenders have arrived. Jaimie sent a bunch out in today's ships and emailed several others. These are $74.95.
As mentioned Chip will snap some pics and get them on the Web site. In the mean time if you want them before they go hot on the web, contact sales at tnvc or ring up Jaimie. Thanks guys, enjoy them.
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Posted: 4/28/2015 7:20:45 PM EDT
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Just curious, what's the max magnification for IR Patrol in clipon? Pure curiosity (because, lets face it I'm broke) if it would pair well with a VCOG.
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Posted: 4/28/2015 8:12:00 PM EDT
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Wanna say it was said in this thread, or another IRD thread, that after 4x it starts blurring bad. I know I personally want the patrol for work, but still torn between the 250 and 300.
Will have to just painfully wait until people start getting theirs, and posting pictures of scopes being clipped on, with different magnifications. |
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Posted: 4/28/2015 8:25:51 PM EDT
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Hey Joe, 4x and under is the norm for these. We should have some through the tube stuff shortly as well. Our unit has been working well since the NRA show.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 1:20:32 PM EDT
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Wanna say it was said in this thread, or another IRD thread, that after 4x it starts blurring bad. I know I personally want the patrol for work, but still torn between the 250 and 300. Will have to just painfully wait until people start getting theirs, and posting pictures of scopes being clipped on, with different magnifications. It will just come down to if you want to only head mount or have the versatility of head and weapon mounting with the M300. The 250's should begin to ship next week.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 3:06:48 PM EDT
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Hey guys, for those who have ordered MKII's over the last 2 weeks have probably noticed some strange looking piece attached to the front of your lens. Just our way of saying thanks for the orders!
Any new units ordered from TNVC will include these nowadays.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 5:11:24 PM EDT
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The 250 can weapon mount also, can it not? I would just have to buy the wilcox mount separate, unlike the 300 having it come with it?
Plus, the 300 has optional reticle correct? I definitely want it helmet mountable though. Just mainly waiting to see clip on pics through scopes. Or just "pay to play" and get the 300 with stand alone option. |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 6:08:53 PM EDT
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I have interest in a 250 too. I plan on helmet mount use for now, but have assumed, based on previous info, it could be used as a clip-on in the future with a .223 with the right added hardware. Am if off base here?
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Posted: 4/30/2015 8:10:14 PM EDT
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I have been told by IR Defense that the 250 is not weapon mountable. Apparently the 250 lacks the feature of the 300 which allows the 300 to be co-witnessed with your day scope so that POI does not change when the 300 is mounted as a clip on. And of course the 250 does not have reticles.
Whether the feature of the 300 which allows for use as a clip on is collimation or whether the reticle allows the 300 to be co-witnessed I'm not sure. But that the 250 isn't weapon mountable was the clear take away. JPK |
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Posted: 4/30/2015 9:31:13 PM EDT
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To further clarify, the M250's do not come with a reticle, nor clip-on mode. Only the M300v does for weapon mounting. Hope this helps.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 10:11:49 PM EDT
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OK, for $500, I'm gonna wait for the M300. Plans change.
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Posted: 4/30/2015 10:23:46 PM EDT
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Interestingly, the MKII works as a clip on. But obviously not helmet mounted.
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Posted: 5/1/2015 3:39:03 AM EDT
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I have been told by IR Defense that the 250 is not weapon mountable. Apparently the 250 lacks the feature of the 300 which allows the 300 to be co-witnessed with your day scope so that POI does not change when the 300 is mounted as a clip on. And of course the 250 does not have reticles. Whether the feature of the 300 which allows for use as a clip on is collimation or whether the reticle allows the 300 to be co-witnessed I'm not sure. But that the 250 isn't weapon mountable was the clear take away. JPK That is correct, only the M300w has the reticle and the clip-on software |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 8:12:26 AM EDT
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That is correct, only the M300w has the reticle and the clip-on software Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have been told by IR Defense that the 250 is not weapon mountable. Apparently the 250 lacks the feature of the 300 which allows the 300 to be co-witnessed with your day scope so that POI does not change when the 300 is mounted as a clip on. And of course the 250 does not have reticles. Whether the feature of the 300 which allows for use as a clip on is collimation or whether the reticle allows the 300 to be co-witnessed I'm not sure. But that the 250 isn't weapon mountable was the clear take away. JPK That is correct, only the M300w has the reticle and the clip-on software If it's a software thing, will the 250 be upgradeable in the future? |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 10:39:58 AM EDT
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Personally I suspect the company is using different models to allow for market segmentation - so would be really doubtful that you can upgrade between them inexpensively.
I am sure their bean counters will figure out what is best for them. In theory, they might (at some point in the future) allow for mail in upgrades (at slightly more than the differential cost between the units), but the most likely upgrade path probably involves selling the lesser unit on EE and buying the more expensive one - pretty much like any other firearms upgrade I guess. |
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Posted: 5/1/2015 2:43:58 PM EDT
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Interestingly, the MKII works as a clip on. But obviously not helmet mounted. I don't see any reason other than weight and the min 1.5x magnification you couldn't work up a helmet mount. Would walking abound be difficult, sure, but it could work for stationary scanning. Not anywhere near idea, but it could be done. |
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Posted: 5/2/2015 12:23:04 AM EDT
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To further clarify, the M250's do not come with a reticle, nor clip-on mode. Only the M300v does for weapon mounting. Hope this helps.
Vic Awesome, thanks for the clarification . |
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Posted: 5/2/2015 10:06:23 AM EDT
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I don't see any reason other than weight and the min 1.5x magnification you couldn't work up a helmet mount. Would walking abound be difficult, sure, but it could work for stationary scanning. Not anywhere near idea, but it could be done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Interestingly, the MKII works as a clip on. But obviously not helmet mounted. I don't see any reason other than weight and the min 1.5x magnification you couldn't work up a helmet mount. Would walking abound be difficult, sure, but it could work for stationary scanning. Not anywhere near idea, but it could be done. If a guy was trying to get set up on limited $'s, I think using a MKII as a hand held scanner on a lanyard around your neck for scanning and then weapon mounting it for the final approach would be doable. Then, when more $'s are available, add either a dedicated hand held thermal scanner or, ideally, a helmet mounted scanner. Since I am equipping myself and my 15yr old son, and trying to do it without breaking the bank too badly, I think I am going to with both a MKII and a Patrol 300 for versitility. So Patrol, MKII, a pair of PVS 14's, helmets, mounts, etc... OUCH! Close to $20k. JPK |
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Posted: 5/4/2015 5:41:07 PM EDT
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fwiw, 2 pvs-14 and a patrol 300w on order here. Figure 1/2 the fun hunting at night is doing it with company. I have friends, step son, and several younger kids that will all be keeping me company at some point or another. Got crops that got to get protected
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Posted: 5/4/2015 8:41:58 PM EDT
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Your OUCH is my OUCH!
I am guessing you have a PVS 14 weapon mount of some kind coming, plus headgear, mounts, etc., etc., etc.,... $15k.... Go kill some hogs!!! JPK |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 10:24:22 AM EDT
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Friend of mine is an ag teacher. One of his students went on a paid night hunt with his dad. After the hunt the student was pumped - hoping his dad would get the equipment so they could do more night hunts on their lease. Not sure his father was that excited when he heard it was about 50k of equipment. When you start playing with the numbers - amazing how quickly they add up.
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Posted: 5/5/2015 3:21:11 PM EDT
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Gentlemen,
Just got word from IRD that several of the M250's have started to ship to us. Those who have pre-ordered (thank you), as soon as we get these we will begin to ship to the pre-orders in the order they were received. We think you're going to be very happy with these!  Thank you!
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Posted: 5/5/2015 5:53:11 PM EDT
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fwiw, 2 pvs-14 and a patrol 300w on order here. Figure 1/2 the fun hunting at night is doing it with company. I have friends, step son, and several younger kids that will all be keeping me company at some point or another. Got crops that got to get protected .
You're right, at least half of the fun is the company. My disease started with one helmet-mounnted 14. Got lonely and added a second helmet-mounted 14. Then a thermal scope. Then a thermal spotter. And several, several hundred dollars worth of mounts, lights and lasers along the way...... |
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Posted: 5/5/2015 5:57:35 PM EDT
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The bigger expense is buying enough land to use the gear to it's full potential. If you've got that you're way ahead of the game...
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Posted: 5/5/2015 8:56:56 PM EDT
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The bigger expense is buying enough land to use the gear to it's full potential. If you've got that you're way ahead of the game... Yep. I'll be having a very expensive garage sale if I loose my deer lease |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 10:26:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The bigger expense is buying enough land to use the gear to it's full potential. If you've got that you're way ahead of the game... My father used to ranch all of his grandparents land (leased from his aunt and uncle) - so growing up we played on 1k acres (but that was long ago). It would have been nice to purchase some of that, but family pride got in the way - now have ranchettes on one side. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 12:28:07 PM EDT
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The bigger expense is buying enough land to use the gear to it's full potential. If you've got that you're way ahead of the game... Yep. I'll be having a very expensive garage sale if I loose my deer lease A good deer lease is difficult to find - hang on to it as long as you can. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 12:30:25 PM EDT
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I assume land is like guns and nv - there is never enough. I have 300 acres, so will try to make due for a while. My father used to ranch all of his grandparents land (leased from his aunt and uncle) - so growing up we played on 1k acres (but that was long ago). It would have been nice to purchase some of that, but family pride got in the way - now have ranchettes on one side. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The bigger expense is buying enough land to use the gear to it's full potential. If you've got that you're way ahead of the game... My father used to ranch all of his grandparents land (leased from his aunt and uncle) - so growing up we played on 1k acres (but that was long ago). It would have been nice to purchase some of that, but family pride got in the way - now have ranchettes on one side. 1k seems like it would be the absolute perfect size, but 300 ac is still a dream to me. Your gear purchase is just an added security investment to protect your land investment. Feel free to quote me if you need it with the wife 
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Posted: 5/6/2015 4:17:10 PM EDT
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location, location, location. Went hunting in West Texas a few years ago (with a friend of my fathers). In the 70's he purchased a hunting plot. 50acres for probably $10/acre. That said, if you get enough friends together - some of those (about 1 hr from Marfa) might still be under $250/acre (for larger acreage). Main problem is they are a 5hr drive from civilization and essentially are overlooking Mexico. Pretty dry too - bet the closest water was the Rio Grande - still saw good deer, lots of javalina, and plenty of not so good rattle snakes (one decided to sleep inside under the nice warm bunks on our last night there).
The plot we hunted took an hr to drive through the unfenced 50k acre ranch that had been subdivided. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 8:53:05 PM EDT
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1k seems like it would be the absolute perfect size, but 300 ac is still a dream to me. Your gear purchase is just an added security investment to protect your land investment. Feel free to quote me if you need it with the wife Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The bigger expense is buying enough land to use the gear to it's full potential. If you've got that you're way ahead of the game... My father used to ranch all of his grandparents land (leased from his aunt and uncle) - so growing up we played on 1k acres (but that was long ago). It would have been nice to purchase some of that, but family pride got in the way - now have ranchettes on one side. 1k seems like it would be the absolute perfect size, but 300 ac is still a dream to me. Your gear purchase is just an added security investment to protect your land investment. Feel free to quote me if you need it with the wife Or the IRS. |
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Posted: 5/6/2015 11:46:12 PM EDT
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Fwiw did some related case law research. The cost of "a" personal defense gun has been upheld as an ordinary and necessary business expenses. Pretty sure the cost of a collection of them would get a different result-personal satisfaction outweighing necessary. I have not tried the tax research on nv-as it isrelatively obscurite -I doubt it has been contested yet. If I had to bet though, plenty of ranch owners in S. Texas are deducting them lately.
The client that I did that research for was not the one who got mugged leaving his office. Iirc the case was from a gun friendly state. If protecting against mugging and theft is "ordinary", protecting crops should be as well. ;) ---- A long time ago I got a laugh when I found out my parents had deducted my birthday presents. I owned a few acres personally that they rented. The presents were my annual lease payment (which were included as income on my returns). I know my 270 was deducted, but do not remember what else (probably a car sterio, an Atari, etc...). Their CPA knew about it, he'll he probably suggested it. |
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Posted: 5/7/2015 5:38:52 PM EDT
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IR Patrol M250's have arrived and are now being shipped to customers. LE100's will be arriving next week and M300's at months end. Thanks guys.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 2:34:06 AM EDT
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Just got this pic from IRD this evening of a cool pic taken with the IR Patrol M300.
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Posted: 5/13/2015 9:11:56 AM EDT
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Just got this pic from IRD this evening of a cool pic taken with the IR Patrol M300. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/RACOON-1_zpsugrgelmy.jpg I hate to start another nvg vs. thermal argument , but this picture sheds new light on the notion that you must have nvg for navigation and positive ID. That is definitely a calf. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 10:38:09 AM EDT
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I hate to start another nvg vs. thermal argument , but this picture sheds new light on the notion that you must have nvg for navigation and positive ID. That is definitely a calf. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just got this pic from IRD this evening of a cool pic taken with the IR Patrol M300. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/RACOON-1_zpsugrgelmy.jpg I hate to start another nvg vs. thermal argument , but this picture sheds new light on the notion that you must have nvg for navigation and positive ID. That is definitely a calf. IMO there are times that a thermal image is good enough to navigate some areas with. However, if you get a hot humid night you will be missing A LOT of detail in the ground/trees/bushes/rocks. Weather conditions can make what you see through thermal change dramatically. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 12:30:35 PM EDT
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IMO there are times that a thermal image is good enough to navigate some areas with. However, if you get a hot humid night you will be missing A LOT of detail in the ground/trees/bushes/rocks. Weather conditions can make what you see through thermal change dramatically. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just got this pic from IRD this evening of a cool pic taken with the IR Patrol M300. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v621/Clutch99/RACOON-1_zpsugrgelmy.jpg I hate to start another nvg vs. thermal argument , but this picture sheds new light on the notion that you must have nvg for navigation and positive ID. That is definitely a calf. IMO there are times that a thermal image is good enough to navigate some areas with. However, if you get a hot humid night you will be missing A LOT of detail in the ground/trees/bushes/rocks. Weather conditions can make what you see through thermal change dramatically. This is true. I think it's going to work well, with good thermal conditions and in the right places....like roads you are familiar with. |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:34:36 PM EDT
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I'm going to go with coon in that pic. Awesome clarity
So low humidity is better than high? Good thing we only get close to a high of around 30%. Go desert! |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 7:55:36 PM EDT
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I'm going to go with coon in that pic. Awesome clarity So low humidity is better than high? Good thing we only get close to a high of around 30%. Go desert! Yes sir. You will get a better image in low humidity conditions compared to high. You will also get a better image when you have a nice clear bright sunshine day compared to a overcast day. The sun heats objects up and will give you a better image when the ambient temperature starts to drop. Some of the worst conditions I've seen with my 307 were when there was a cool or cold overcast day with a bunch of wind. All your trees and bushes were the same temperature and the image would be a complete white out. Now if there was a live animal out there you could see it, but everything else looked like shit |
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Posted: 5/13/2015 11:03:12 PM EDT
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The problem with the desert is going to be high non-specific thermal emissivity from inanimate objects that are releasing their stored heat energy after dark resulting in lots of false positive thermal signatures that cause allot of brain drain attempting to discriminate from animate objects, but that is how thermal works so get used to it.
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Posted: 5/14/2015 1:03:31 AM EDT
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The problem with the desert is going to be high non-specific thermal emissivity from inanimate objects that are releasing their stored heat energy after dark resulting in lots of false positive thermal signatures that cause allot of brain drain attempting to discriminate from animate objects, but that is how thermal works so get used to it. I can see that. But would it really be that bad? Guess depending on what objects you have, sage brush vs field grass or granite rock vs sandstone, all dependant on what part of the state your in, with some objects releasing heat differently. Would it really be that different than from your neck of the woods with high heat and humidity? (Guessing on the heat, never been to Florida) It can be triple digits in the day, and then drop rapidly at night here. |
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