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Posted: 8/31/2012 7:45:43 AM EDT
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Every time I see that thing I think of this guy
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Posted: 8/31/2012 8:01:21 AM EDT
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What's a quas eye?
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Posted: 8/31/2012 8:15:11 AM EDT
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Cool to know. Thanks RenegadeX
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Posted: 8/31/2012 8:23:58 AM EDT
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What's a quas eye? Maybe he meant the Quad-Eye Panoramic Night Vision Sysem (PNVG)? It has four tubes/lenses so you get some peripheral vision too. And "D" is right next to the "S" key on the keyboard. 
http://defense-update.com/products/q/quadeye.htm (Edit) Read again, and saw the typo was only in the title, not the actual post. 
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Posted: 8/31/2012 2:01:59 PM EDT
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Not $65K, but still very pricey.
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Posted: 8/31/2012 5:06:25 PM EDT
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In the fine print of the brochure it says to utilize these you must have neck muscles like this guy
How do you get neck muscles like the above, well with this machine 
or old school like this 
The only other way to get neck muscles strong enough to support those goggles is to be a Formula 1 driver or to survive B.U.D.S I guess |
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Posted: 8/31/2012 6:05:56 PM EDT
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In the fine print of the brochure it says to utilize these you must have neck muscles like this guy http://i45.tinypic.com/pm4c6.jpg How do you get neck muscles like the above, well with this machine http://i47.tinypic.com/2reh35w.jpg or old school like this http://i46.tinypic.com/2uqlpmt.jpg The only other way to get neck muscles strong enough to support those goggles is to be a Formula 1 driver or to survive B.U.D.S I guess Ya no kidding! I bitch about the 14 and a mich after awhile I can't imagine how that would be. |
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Posted: 8/31/2012 6:09:51 PM EDT
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<Snip> The only other way to get neck muscles strong enough to support those goggles is to be a Formula 1 driver or to survive B.U.D.S I guess Maybe some steroids or a HANS device is what you're saying? |
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Posted: 8/31/2012 8:44:33 PM EDT
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Here's someone who is clearly a covert Japanese special forces operator, preparing her neck muscles for GPNVG use.
 I had always wondered why they did this on Japanese trains. Thanks to this thread, I now know. Anyway, it's a different NOD on the cover of the book.  But nice to know, thank you. The book isn't due for release until Sept-4 - so have they released it early or did you get an early copy? ( To the OP ) David. |
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Posted: 8/31/2012 9:45:18 PM EDT
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<Snip>The only other way to get neck muscles strong enough to support those goggles is to be a Formula 1 driver or to survive B.U.D.S I guess
Maybe some steroids or a HANS device is what you're saying? HANS device? Not my reference, but damn that might work if it was tied to your belt in the rear so your head would not fall forward supporting those goggles My F-1 reference was based on the fact that an average Formula-1 drivers neck gets bigger by about 2"'s over the course of a season from the G-'s and all of the rocking and rolling they do inside the cockpit. These drivers have strong necks! |
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Posted: 8/31/2012 9:46:33 PM EDT
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Here's someone who is clearly a covert Japanese special forces operator, preparing her neck muscles for GPNVG use.[div] You know she lives alone with a dozen cats as any one who does that is a freak! |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 2:34:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Here's someone who is clearly a covert Japanese special forces operator, preparing her neck muscles for GPNVG use. You know she lives alone with a dozen cats as any one who does that is a freak! Well, that's the other possibility... Though I didn't know about the connection to Racing Car Drivers and neck muscles... Hmmm. I guess to test the other hypothesis, we'd need input from some tactical type guys, who regularly wear larger-than-PVS-14 type NODs and who are also well know racing car drivers...  Hmmm. I wonder where we'll find one of those? David [div] |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 3:33:05 AM EDT
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The battery pack is in the back of the helmet. That distributes the weight and shortens the protrusion from the front to reduce the torque. It helps balance it out.
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Posted: 9/1/2012 5:22:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: The battery pack is in the back of the helmet. That distributes the weight and shortens the protrusion from the front to reduce the torque. It helps balance it out. Not on the BNVS mount model it doesn't. Regards
David |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:00:06 AM EDT
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Yes it does. The BNVS mount has a plug for the rear battery pack.
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The battery pack is in the back of the helmet. That distributes the weight and shortens the protrusion from the front to reduce the torque. It helps balance it out. Not on the BNVS mount model it doesn't. Regards
David |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:22:31 AM EDT
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Yes it does. The BNVS mount has a plug for the rear battery pack. http://images-kitup.military.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/chrg2photo-600x450.jpg Quoted:
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The battery pack is in the back of the helmet. That distributes the weight and shortens the protrusion from the front to reduce the torque. It helps balance it out. Not on the BNVS mount model it doesn't. Regards
David hmmm... I don't know about the various mounts. Many years ago, I tried a prototype that had a rear battery pack. It was reasonably comfortable. |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 7:58:37 AM EDT
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<Snip>The only other way to get neck muscles strong enough to support those goggles is to be a Formula 1 driver or to survive B.U.D.S I guess
Maybe some steroids or a HANS device is what you're saying? HANS device? Not my reference, but damn that might work if it was tied to your belt in the rear so your head would not fall forward supporting those goggles My F-1 reference was based on the fact that an average Formula-1 drivers neck gets bigger by about 2"'s over the course of a season from the G-'s and all of the rocking and rolling they do inside the cockpit. These drivers have strong necks! Sorry, it was a joke, should have used I do know a little bit about racing and the endurance factors but hardly we would see such lateral G's from a device such as this.  Kinda going overboard on the exaggerations....
Vic |
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Posted: 9/1/2012 3:26:32 PM EDT
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Sorry, it was a joke, should have used I do know a little bit about racing and the endurance factors but hardly we would see such lateral G's from a device such as this. Kinda going overboard on the exaggerations....
Vic Apology not accepted unless the device below shows up in my mailbox for use (free) between Oct 1-March 31  
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Posted: 9/1/2012 3:27:19 PM EDT
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Sorry, it was a joke, should have used I do know a little bit about racing and the endurance factors but hardly we would see such lateral G's from a device such as this. Kinda going overboard on the exaggerations....
Vic Apology not accepted unless the device below shows up in my mailbox for use (free) between Oct 1-March 31
http://i45.tinypic.com/2czwtgx.jpg LoL, I will send the HANS device first!
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Posted: 9/1/2012 4:01:13 PM EDT
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Haha, my neck is whipped after a 30 minute shifter kart race taking 4Gs in the corners, we wear Leat Braces and Rib Vests instead of Hans Device, but still makes for a sore neck...
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Posted: 9/1/2012 6:01:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Yes it does. The BNVS mount has a plug for the rear battery pack. http://images-kitup.military.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/chrg2photo-600x450.jpg Quoted: Quoted: The battery pack is in the back of the helmet. That distributes the weight and shortens the protrusion from the front to reduce the torque. It helps balance it out. Not on the BNVS mount model it doesn't. Regards David hmmm... I don't know about the various mounts. Many years ago, I tried a prototype that had a rear battery pack. It was reasonably comfortable.  Not the first time. Thanks for correcting me. Perhaps I am completely mistaken, but I thought I saw a model once with PVS-14 style lenses that had a CR-123 style battery cap on one side. ? Now I'll be looking for it forever LoL! :) David |
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Posted: 9/2/2012 3:50:52 AM EDT
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Was it this pic? ( from soldier systems story on GPNVGs)
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Posted: 9/2/2012 4:04:56 AM EDT
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No that's a new pic to me :) Thank you. The pic I remember seeing was a complete pic of the unit - could well have been the part on the right attached. Regards David
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Posted: 9/10/2012 8:58:33 AM EDT
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Price?
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Posted: 9/10/2012 9:26:59 AM EDT
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Price? More than you make in a month.
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Posted: 9/10/2012 12:36:51 PM EDT
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I asked what the price was in another thread and I was told that if you have to ask....
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Posted: 9/10/2012 2:30:53 PM EDT
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Price? Probably 20 to 30K. TNVC would know but they may not be able to post the exact price. |
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Posted: 9/10/2012 4:48:35 PM EDT
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It's just under $39,000.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 2:43:09 AM EDT
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It's just under $39,000. I'll take it. Do they take PayPal/partial trades?
Awesome setup |
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Posted: 9/11/2012 4:57:58 AM EDT
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Quoted: It's just under $39,000. It's still cheaper than some of the PVS-14's the military bought... David.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 6:27:13 AM EDT
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I asked what the price was in another thread and I was told that if you have to ask.... ITS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 9/11/2012 3:00:57 PM EDT
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Just imagine what four ITT F9821 16mm tubes must cost given the low production numbers.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 3:17:16 PM EDT
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I would imagine that's what the SEALs used on the raid. BTW, the estimate from the book "No Easy Day" is $65000 per unit. Also, they are described as a "120 degree FOV"... However the new GPNVG18's are all 18mm tubes. TNVC posted an image in the last thread about it. Given that, there's no certainty that the cost would remain as high. On the other hand, the PVS-21's also use an 18mm tube, but it's implementation is anything but standard. I imagine that contributes to the higher cost of the units as well. Regards David |
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Posted: 9/11/2012 7:44:28 PM EDT
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from an Airsoft company on facebook
oh and they are in the new movie coming out so you know it's gotta be good. i mean that lady who directed Hurt Locker is doing it so........ 
how the hell are you supposed to shoot with those on? IR pointer on the PEQ and just chicken wing the stock? |
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Posted: 9/12/2012 2:52:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: how the hell are you supposed to shoot with those on? IR pointer on the PEQ and just chicken wing the stock? IR pointer would be normal I imagine. David.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 4:56:57 AM EDT
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Yep I would bet its similar to shooting with a set of dual tube goggles. You only view through the goggle, you aim / designate your target with your properly zeroed IR laser.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 7:55:04 PM EDT
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In the fine print of the brochure it says to utilize these you must have neck muscles like this guy http://i45.tinypic.com/pm4c6.jpg How do you get neck muscles like the above, well with this machine http://i47.tinypic.com/2reh35w.jpg or old school like this http://i46.tinypic.com/2uqlpmt.jpg The only other way to get neck muscles strong enough to support those goggles is to be a Formula 1 driver or to survive B.U.D.S I guess Ya no kidding! I bitch about the 14 and a mich after awhile I can't imagine how that would be. Shit, try -5s and a K-pot. |
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Posted: 10/8/2012 8:47:52 PM EDT
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Shit, try -5s and a K-pot. Aaaah! Curse you, I had a momentary flashback to the Iwo Jima. Only time I ever wore a PASGT helmet, and after five hours I was ready to bludgeon someone to death with it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2012 6:21:45 AM EDT
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Shit, try -5s and a K-pot. Aaaah! Curse you, I had a momentary flashback to the Iwo Jima. Only time I ever wore a PASGT helmet, and after five hours I was ready to bludgeon someone to death with it. That's all we had for the first oh... 3 years of my military service, PASGTs. And in '04, all a lowly PFC rated in country in Iraq was PVS 5s, they weighed 2 pounds, no shit. A 14 weighs 12oz. |
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Posted: 10/9/2012 11:16:04 AM EDT
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I'll say it for the few posting on this thread. Cannot say it enough...THANK YOU for your service.
Vic |
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Posted: 10/16/2012 8:36:00 PM EDT
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hey Vic have you ever been able to get your hands on a set of these?
also is making a larger tube a possibility? i would think instead of having 4 tubes why not just 2 larger ones, say 2inch in diameter or something |
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Posted: 10/16/2012 9:09:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: also is making a larger tube a possibility? i would think instead of having 4 tubes why not just 2 larger ones, say 2inch in diameter or something yes, it's possible - but it would be heavier than four smaller tubes. Also it poses some difficult optical challenges. The alternative is 2 x 80 degree tubes ( or 80 degree monocular ) which are currently being developed and have very high resolutions. This is still only 2 tubes, with enhanced vision. I think the US Navy was playing with some Nagler eyepieces and modified PVS-14s to this extent. Two such monoculars would give the same view as the quadeye not only horizontally, but a full vertical image also. Regards David
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Posted: 12/9/2012 9:29:43 PM EDT
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Sorry to bring back an old thread but I found this while looking at quads.
If these companies are spending millions developing tubes and lens systems, why not take a page from theater folk? Research anamorphic widescreen. All older (I am pretty sure the new 4k projectors do not roll like this) use a lens or prism system that stretches the image. The lens system is expensive because of the size but would be quite cheap in a night vision sized device. A very high res tube could easily be affixed with a lens that squashes the image, just like when the movie is shot, and then a very wide lens, like the projector, that would make the image wide and almost surround. I looked at a system for my 1080p projector when I installed it. The price was between $1000 to $3000 for a big unit. However, when doing research I found Chinese companies that would custom make lens units fairly cheaply but only in bulk. Even a small nvg maker like siteowl could make a quality anamophic NVG system that would be much cheaper and lighter than a 4 tube system. FYI if anyone uses my idea please grease me by forwarding one said device... LOL. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 3:59:38 PM EDT
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Hey Vic, have you ever gone the NASCAR race there at California Speedway?
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Posted: 12/11/2012 6:23:25 PM EDT
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from an Airsoft company on facebook http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/644273_439628046075225_1538918681_n.jpg http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/270674_439627992741897_35811973_n.jpg http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/223946_439628179408545_1490446360_n.jpg http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/375862_439628219408541_1079131671_n.jpg oh and they are in the new movie coming out so you know it's gotta be good. i mean that lady who directed Hurt Locker is doing it so........
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/381007_439628322741864_1858561345_n.jpg how the hell are you supposed to shoot with those on? IR pointer on the PEQ and just chicken wing the stock? WOW, how unbelievably terrifying would it be to see someone coming at you wearing that IF you could see them!? |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 7:55:35 PM EDT
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Hey Vic, have you ever gone the NASCAR race there at California Speedway? LOL! I've done a few laps at Fontucky and have to say it's pretty smooth, but not real exciting. I would much prefer doing hot laps out in the parking lot track with the shifter karts! There's going to be a kart race on an improvised infield track there next June. http://www.tcgp.net/ I bet we'll see 115mph or better out of many of the karts. |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:12:28 PM EDT
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Hey Vic, have you ever gone the NASCAR race there at California Speedway? Kinda a open wheel guy, not much for the neck car racing. Been to Indy race there several times.
Vic |
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Posted: 12/11/2012 9:36:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/11/2012 10:43:29 PM EDT
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Quadeye is built by Kollsman/Elbit,
GPNVG is built by L-3. Two different systems. Quadeye is a USN program and is deigned for aviation. The side channels are dismountable on rails. It uses an ANVIS style mount. GPNVG is a ground system. All my info says that the Seals were using unfillmed L-3 PVS-21's and the pilots ITT F4949s (AN/AVS-9) |
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Posted: 12/12/2012 7:56:18 AM EDT
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70,000 on goggles for each person? Couldn't they build a custom mount for two PVS-7's? (Trademarking that thought, huh?) Or how about digital night vision spread across a small LCD or LCD's?
I understand the need, but, you can imagine why some folks in Congress want to tear the military budget apart when they see the absurd costs for some of the stuff they develop. And, if you were going to bury the guy at sea, why spend the time, and risk the lives of our men to get him in one piece? Cheaper to drop a bomb on him. Or lots of bombs. What worries me, is that the military may become like NASA, and make itself so pricey, that we as a country, can't afford to keep it going, and "Contractors" will become our nations source of security, just like SPACE X is delivering supplies to the international space station. While the tech geek in me loves to see stuff like this, the fiscal cliff guy inside me sort of shakes his head. But on the other hand, I shake my head everytime I see somebody with a foodstamp card buying pop and donuts. I guess thats why a PVS 14 is on my Xmas list, half way there in saved toy money right now |
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