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Posted: 6/9/2012 7:52:23 AM
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Took it to the range today, shot some steel.

Clarity is very good, no noticeable zero shift, can pick up a 6 inch plate very easy at 100m.

Tried it with 4 different optics.

TA44s: My favorite of the 4, very nice field of view, very very clear with this optic.
TA31: Works very well with this one as well, wide field of view, pretty clear, but obviously not as clear as on the 44s. This was a buddies riffle, glad I got a chance to try the 31.
TA33: Field of a view a bit limited, other than that ok.
XPS3: Works surprisingly well, since you can get it pretty close to the optic window you don't really lose that much of the window, not nearly as good as the magnified optics, but better than I expected.

I had a T-1 out but didn't bother, window would be too small, it might be workable with a full sized aim point.






Video out works:



Ill post a further review when I go shoot some critters with it. Very happy with it so far.

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Posted: 6/9/2012 8:24:59 AM
Sweet, mine is on the brown truck but should have it sometime next week.

It looks like you were using it during the daytime, have ya tried it at night yet?

Will be running it behind either an Eotech (with or without 3X Mag) or a Leopold 1-4X Pig Plex scope.

Did you try using just the T-50 alone with the internal reticules and digital magnifications?
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Posted: 6/9/2012 10:07:20 AM
Looks like a lot of fun!!
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Posted: 6/9/2012 11:44:24 AM
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Originally Posted By SkyPup:
Sweet, mine is on the brown truck but should have it sometime next week.

It looks like you were using it during the daytime, have ya tried it at night yet?

Will be running it behind either an Eotech (with or without 3X Mag) or a Leopold 1-4X Pig Plex scope.

Did you try using just the T-50 alone with the internal reticules and digital magnifications?



I didn't shoot it with the internal reticle, I swapped through them and checked them out, but i am only going to be using this in front of other scopes.

Looked around the neighborhood with it at night, but have not done any shooting with it at night yet, I am gonna take it out to my land and hopefully kill some hogs with it next weekend.
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Posted: 6/10/2012 4:12:42 PM
Not bad. Even looks good enough for identification, up close.
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Posted: 6/11/2012 8:06:20 AM
If you don't mind me asking, about how far out do you think you could detect a human being as opposed to the distance at which you could identify them?

I should be receiving mine this week so am just antsy to hear how well it works.

Sound like the view clarity is very good through your ACOGS.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 12:23:36 PM
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Originally Posted By SkyPup:
If you don't mind me asking, about how far out do you think you could detect a human being as opposed to the distance at which you could identify them?

I should be receiving mine this week so am just antsy to hear how well it works.

Sound like the view clarity is very good through your ACOGS.



I could probably detect that a human was a human out to 500-600m depending on conditions.

I could probably ID them if they had a distinct body type out to 150-200ish

Facial ID probably at most 30m or so.
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Posted: 6/12/2012 1:29:12 PM
Thanks much, that sounds pretty good.

I ordered a portable mini-DVR recorder to record the NTSC output from it on our hunts, it is small enough that I can velcro the DVR to the rail to record live action video.
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Posted: 6/13/2012 7:40:51 PM
Another Major KUDOS to TNVC and Company, the brown truck delivered this nice thermal instrument today, a FLIR T-50.

So far I am running it on one rifle behind an Eotech 552NV and 3X Eotech Magnifier, but will be using it on a variety of rifle combinations.

Surprised at how light weight it is and how nice it functions. It was a cinch to co-witness the Eotech with the internal reticules inside the FLIR.

Will be out looking for song dogs tonight after dark!







Backyard Game Cam tree @ 175 yards looking directly into the setting sun:

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Posted: 6/13/2012 9:58:35 PM
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Here is the 175 yard game cam tree at night:



Here is the inverse:



This thing is so freakin' kewl it even picked up Dr. Who landing in the Tardis!


Here is a day pic for reference:

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Posted: 6/14/2012 7:39:41 AM
It is insane how easy it is to stay on top of the action shot to shot with the coyotes, nailed another again last night in the backyard @ 185 yards.

It was super simple to setup the co-witness with the Eotech reticule to the FLIR's so if I remove one I can always re-zero again off the other.

In the sight photos above, the red is the Eotech reticule, the straight lines are one of the four different FLIR internal reticules.

The instrument also has a real nice 2X & 4X digital magnification.

Controls are intuitive and easy to use, I like how it powers up with the modifications that I previously made from ROM.

I got a nice small portable digital SDHC video recorder (micro DVR) to velcro onto it to record our hunts, so should have some great action vids here soon.

This nice thermal unit is going to get a real workout on a variety of rifles and optics real soon!
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Posted: 6/14/2012 7:58:55 AM
How does the image clarity compare to your ps32. To me that bigger lens on the t50 looks like it would perform better overall
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Posted: 6/14/2012 8:29:36 AM
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I really do enjoy the PS-32 for the red Insta-Alert feature that I usually run on I-2 setting for picking up game initially.

The PS-32 is a super handy adjunct for NVO and even the T-50 since it works so well for initial detection..

But it only has a 19mm lens, so it is only good for detection.

The T-50 has a whopping 60mm germanium lens and probably different internal image software to take advantage of the huge lens system, so there really is no comparison in visual acuity.

The T-50 has about ten times better clearer resolution than the PS-32, even when using the internal 2X or 4X magnification.

Running my 3X Eotech Magnifier behind it last night, the image did not get pixelated until I turned the internal T-50 magnification up to 4X, which would have been 12X including the Eotech 3X optic.

With the T-50 @ 2X internal and the Eotech 3X optic (6X total magnification), I still had good spot-on identification out past 200 meters, no problem -> which is what Chip/Vic pretty much told me that sold me on this optic as that is my limit for night shooting.

I am very pleased with this fine instrument, it will get a real hard work out real soon....
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Posted: 6/14/2012 9:41:00 AM
terry1, one other thing is that this civvvy FLIR does not have the IR laser intergrated into it, so having the DBAL-I2 or the DBAL-D2 (when I get mine) mounted in front of it allows all my buddies using their helmet mounted NVOs to see what I am targeting too!

Nice.
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Posted: 6/14/2012 11:19:47 AM
Originally Posted By terry1:
How does the image clarity compare to your ps32. To me that bigger lens on the t50 looks like it would perform better overall


It does have a real nice adjustable lens!



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Posted: 6/14/2012 11:40:38 AM
Wow thats great that the T50 clarity is much better than the PS32. I have looked at the T50 and expected it to produce a better image clarity mainly just do to the much higher grade lens vs the 19mm in the PS32 which makes a big difference in thermal performance. That said I didn't know what to expect 10% better or 300% better. I have been learning just how much a difference a good/big lens makes on a thermal system even with the 320 or 640 imager spec being the same. On the PS32 I love the instant red settings it makes the PS32 a king for detection which is my 1# need in a thermal viewer. I wish FLIR would include the instant red mode in their higher end units its just a great mode for hunters and the thermal hunting market seems to growing rapid with the entry of lower priced thermal systems hitting the shelfs lately.
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Posted: 6/14/2012 11:55:53 AM
If I am not mistaken, I believe the germanium lens is 1/3 the cost or thereabouts for the entire unit itself.

The main reason the PS-32 is as cheap as it is with its 19mm lens is that FLIR figured a way to pour a small 19mm germanium lens instead of grinding it down with diamond lappers like it does on the larger sized lenses.

Germanium lenses are ambient temperature sensitive too, the hotter they get the less they transmit, the cooler the better, so winter time performance is the best compared to summertime.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 10:18:35 PM
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This FLIR T-50 thermal definitely is a keeper.

Have only had it three days and already took out four coyotes with it to 225 yards.

What a major game changer this instrument is for night hunting.

It works absolutely fantastic with an Eotech and 3X magnifier.

This one checked out at 190 yards and the Barnes 70 grain TSX went right through his shoulder where I was aiming.

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Posted: 6/16/2012 10:27:05 PM
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Posted: 6/16/2012 10:54:03 PM
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Originally Posted By SkyPup:
This FLIR T-50 thermal definitely is a keeper.

Have only had it three days and already took out four coyotes with it to 225 yards.

What a major game changer this instrument is for night hunting.

It works absolutely fantastic with an Eotech and 3X magnifier.

This one checked out at 190 yards and the Barnes 70 grain TSX went right through his shoulder where I was aiming.

http://www.phossil.com/thom/Night%20Vision/FLIR%20T50/T50%20Coyote%20NV.jpg


Well, that answers my question of just how closely these things maintain boresight. It would be extremely interesting to see where on a paper target the rounds strike w/ and w/o the clip-on at various ranges. I've wanted a clip-on thermal since I first saw the CNVD-T, when I graduate next June I'm going to get one. Hopefully the 640x480 units will be available and cheaper by then.
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Posted: 6/16/2012 11:04:51 PM
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This thing shoots like a laser, every shot on the money precisely where I was aiming to put it.

It is actually easier to shoot a thermal at night than just the Eotech during the day since the predators heat signature is like watching a movie in black and white, except the white predator is in the crosshairs!

You can see in the flash pic that I hit him exactly where I was aiming.

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Posted: 6/16/2012 11:30:32 PM
Thank you guys for the pictures, this is simply painful to look at and not have one. If I had the time to use one, which I currently don't, I'd likely just pull the trigger. Well done on the marksmanship BTW, my longest kill at night w/ an NVD was just under 100 yards w/ my trusty Ruger 22 mag, and my buddies w/ me (no NVDs for them at that point) were just stupified by the feat given that they couldn't even see me sitting 10 feet away from them. Shooting at night is just completely different IMHO. I've "killed" lots of milk jugs at 200 or so, but that was a known target at a known range, not realistic conditions by any means. But 200+ yards at night in real-world hunting conditions... again, well done. If you ever need someone to shoot w/ at night in FL (Tampa area), I'd cancel pretty much any plans to participate in such a thing, albeit w/ lowly I^2 technology
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This was a particularly exciting hunt that had the adrenaline going strong for about 45 minutes.

I first called this dog in using Bay Bee Cottontail on my FoxPro Prairie Blaster and he came right in about twenty feet from my Jack Attack decoy but I was on top of a ridge and all I could see was his head popping up in front of me about 60 feet in front of me. I had his head in my sight two or three times and then my wife walked up from behind me to tell me she was going shopping and he took off….he circled the dry prairie pond in front of me and went deep into the tall dog-fennels so I could not see him. He came out of the fennels trotting across my view twice but each time I held off waiting for him to stop for a lethal shot.

I called him back in again using Pup Distress and had a nice shot at him straight in front of me about 75 yards and squeezed the trigger slowly and CLICK -> no shell in the chamber. Chambered a round and he took off into the distant tree line.
I went back into the house to get my A-Alpha helmet and PVS-14 on and as soon as I walked off the carport I could see two distinct dark contrasted shapes out to my game cam about 250 yards. I slowly snuck down to my log stand setup and looked through the FLIR T-50 Thermal and saw two nice dogs @ 175 yards in front of me beside the game cam tree munching on some wild boar offal I had dumped there last weekend.

For some reason, one dog took off and went into the tree line and I lost him, but this one walked on over behind the game cam and stopped @ 185-190 yard behind my game cam (game cam tree is laser measured 175 yards), I put the crosshairs on him and he dropped. When he did, the other one came charging out of the woods and hightailed it across my view.

The whole hunt took about 45 minutes and I just wish I had the micro Digital Video Recorder hooked up to the FLIR thermal because I would have had some fantastic recording of this hunt.
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Posted: 6/24/2012 11:51:43 AM
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I can report that the FLIR T-50 easily picks up smaller animals that my FLIR PS-32 misses.

Cottontail rabbits, armadillos, bobcats, possums, raccoons, and even bats stand right out to 250 yards that the PS-32 does not even see at all.

Hogs, deer, and coyotes are piece of cake to see at that distance, they stand out like a sore thumb on a total pitch dark night.

The only problem I am having is adapting the RS-170 video cable to my micro digital video recorder. The video cable is setup like an coaxial antenna for video output.

The T-50 video cable is a mil-spec cable with a small female 1/4" BNC type input into the camera and a large standard BNC male output connector to hookup to a recorder or other player. This works fine in the house connected to the BNC jack on the rear of the HDTV or video monitor in real time, but I need to adapt this BMC Male connector to a Male RCA input for my micro DVR recorder for use in the field while hunting.

Adapting a 75 Ohm male BNC video output to match up to an RCA video input is quite a hassle, I almost have it working (taking individual photos but not streaming video) but have now ordered a number of male BNC-> female BNC->male RCA jacks from a number of sources with haphazard results so far.

I even took it down to Radio Shack yesterday to see if they could provide me with some kind of BNC to RCA video adapter connector and they said it is obviously a military setup that is not used in commercial civilian wiring interfaces, and they have thousands of connectors, but none of them work? No one there had ever seen the 1/4" BNC jack that fits into the cameras video output.

So, am waiting to try out some other obscure BNC female to RCA male jacks I ordered from Amphenol and see if I can get a matchup.

So far, this site has the best looking jacks that I need, will see if they work when I get them next week:

http://www.eyespyvideo.com/BNC-RCA2.html

If anyone else has a solution to the correct BNC male to RCA male connector, let me know please....
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I got my bnc adapter at radio shack that let me connect to the rs170 on my flir m24.
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