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murderman
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Posted: 8/29/2007 11:57:47 PM
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There have been several threads in the past; here is a chance to consolidate current concepts for the topic.

Ballistic rig on the left, scout rig on the right. The plates are both bolted down to keep from changing position, with the top strap minimizing stress on that joint, as well as providing a very convenient place to ty-rap the Guardians.

The MSA rig is balanced on a styrofoam mannequin head with the PVS both up and down; it is like that on a real head as well.









Edited to add a couple shots with the CSM bracket:





Updated with the do rag replacement pic.



Latest mods...some paint and an M600C/KM2:


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Posted: 8/30/2007 12:04:36 PM
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Good post!

Most have seen mine but I will chime in....

MSA 2001 (sidecut) with Mich Plate and standard MS helmet mount minus the wrap around feature of course.






My early Bell helmet with the MS helmet mount



Not shown with either helmet rig, but this is the hearing and com gear I wear. TCI Liberator II system with an encrypted Vertex VHF radio.

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Posted: 8/30/2007 1:55:31 PM
I am trying to build a helmet rig and ordered a helmet from www.pthelmets.com since I saw them in another thread in this section. Has anyone else ordered from them without issue? I ordered on 8/15 and have tried to contact them numerous times but their voicemail box is full and no replies to me emails. Thanks...
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Posted: 9/3/2007 4:36:17 PM
Protec Helmet, Norotos bolt on mount and compass pouch with metal weights added to balance out helmet.

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No sexy paint job yet but here is what I use.





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Posted: 9/21/2007 10:07:50 PM

Originally Posted By Bitstream:
I am trying to build a helmet rig and ordered a helmet from www.pthelmets.com since I saw them in another thread in this section. Has anyone else ordered from them without issue? I ordered on 8/15 and have tried to contact them numerous times but their voicemail box is full and no replies to me emails. Thanks...


I had the exact same problem with PTHelmets - no responses to my emails, and their voicemail-box was always full. After 2 weeks I called Amex and had them reverse the charge; the very next day I got an email from PTHelmets that it had shipped. Coincidence?

I've decided to keep the helmet - so now I gotta call Amex back and let them let the transaction stay.

Just my 2c.
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Posted: 9/21/2007 11:44:50 PM
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I have been meaning to get to this.

For a light weight skate board helmet I chose the Bell Faction. A nice simple, affordable, helmet that fit my noggin. What ever you get go try it on first. I was a mouse click away from purchasing a Protech when my buddy John (who is an avid skate boarder himself) said "go try em first" and he was right. John is a V-22 Crew Chief and is all about keeping his grape protected.




I hated the suspension so I modded it to this.






I have since added a single M9 mag pouch to the back to hold a counter weight for dual tube goggle use and it works slick as snot. Gotta get some more pics of it.

For ballistic pro I have an RBR PASGT pattern, wrapped in the latest desert ensamble and accesorized with a KGed helmet plate, and seen here sporting a custom made AVS goggle mount.




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I'm glad murderman posted this, because I'm a wee bit confused on the mounts and nomenclatures. MSA rig, MS mount, PASGT, MICH, (I understand those are helmet styles), et cetera.

So, if you all could...dumb it down for me a little.

For instance, if I were to get a PASGT mount, would that fit pretty much any bike or skateboard helmet? Is there an advantage to one mount over another as far as versatility and comfort? How many different mounts are there?

I'm planning on helmet shopping tomorrow. Bell? Protech? Wally World? The bike shop?
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Posted: 9/22/2007 3:25:47 AM
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MSA/Gallet MICH Helmet with No. 6 pads, Multicam Cover (to match my Tru Spec Multicam duds ), Rhino Headmount for AN/PVS-14 NVGs (which I don't have yet ) and ESS NVG Profile Goggles with ballistic lenses.
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Posted: 9/22/2007 4:46:07 AM

Originally Posted By BigW1stCav:
I'm glad murderman posted this, because I'm a wee bit confused on the mounts and nomenclatures. MSA rig, MS mount, PASGT, MICH, (I understand those are helmet styles), et cetera.

So, if you all could...dumb it down for me a little.

For instance, if I were to get a PASGT mount, would that fit pretty much any bike or skateboard helmet? Is there an advantage to one mount over another as far as versatility and comfort? How many different mounts are there?

I'm planning on helmet shopping tomorrow. Bell? Protech? Wally World? The bike shop?


Ok lets see if we can get ya straight here.

When you say mount, I am guessing you mean the plate that attachs to the helmet itself?

There are a few.

1. The PASGT pattern

2. The MICH pattern

3. The Three hole Nortos mount

4. The Wilcox

3. and 4. are quite rare and very expensive, so for a skate or bike helmet a PASGT or a MICH will work.

The PASGT or more plentiful, easier to locate, and less expensive. They also have two "feet" as it were that hook under the brim of the helmet and these "feet" can be adjusted to get the best "purchase" on the helmet.

If ya look at Murderman and Vics pics. The MSAs use a MICH mount and the skate helmets have PASGT plates.

Next the Rhino mount plugs into the plate. the Rhino mount is what the J arm attaches to.

Ok I hope that helps ya out. if you have any other questiosn please feel free to ask.

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Posted: 9/22/2007 10:40:24 AM
To expand a little on IPSC's excellent post, here are some pics of the various mounting system components for a PVS-7/14:

These are the more common mounting plate designs; PASGT is on the left, and MICH is on the right. PASGT tends to work better for skateboard/bicycle helmet styles as well as PASGT ballistic helmets, and is generally less expensive/more available. MICH is required for MICH style ballistic helmets such as the MSA TC2001 that Vic and I have.





Next comes the Rhino mount; "old" style is on the left, and "new" style is on the right. The new style is a much superior design in that it is metal versus plastic, is more compact, provides for goggle retention, and most importantly only requires one hand for pitch adjustment.





Then there is the J-arm. If you plan to run a PVS-14 and make use of the auto-shutoff feature when the monocular is flipped up, then make sure the J-arm that you buy is wired accordingly. Notice the two electrical contacts on the underside, and the wire on the top.



This next pic shows an "exploded" view of the assembly. Note that both styles of mounting plates are shown, but only one or the other is required depending on application.



This last pic is the system assembled.



As others have mentioned, make sure that you physically try on whatever helmet that you are planning to purchase; heads are as different as fingerprints, and comfort is important. Also, since a monocular mounted to a helmet tends to make it front heavy, most standard skateboard/bicycle helmet chinstraps are inadequate. You may want to consider modifications using surplus parts as IPSC and I have done.

Hope this helps, good luck with your shopping.
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Posted: 9/22/2007 11:03:45 AM
Cool. Are these for airsoft? They look pristine.
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Posted: 9/22/2007 11:22:24 AM

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Cool. Are these for airsoft? They look pristine.


If you are referring to my mounting component pics above, no they are not Airsoft, they are brand new Mil-spec spares that I have picked up whenever I see a good deal.
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Posted: 9/22/2007 11:35:00 AM

Originally Posted By murderman:

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Cool. Are these for airsoft? They look pristine.


If you are referring to my mounting component pics above, no they are not Airsoft, they are brand new Mil-spec spares that I have picked up whenever I see a good deal.


Airsoft... PAH ! ! !

Murderman that is probably the best laid out explanation I have ever seen, good job there.

The mention of airsoft brings up a good point and a WARNING. There are airsoft helmet plates out there floating around. The danger with them is this. They are dimensionally smaller by a few thousandths of an inch.

I had a customer send me one with his Rhino mount clipped into it. He had bought it off ebay and thought it was a USGI MICH plate. He had mounted it up and then snapped his rhino mount into it... FOREVER ! ! !

The Rhino mount had gone in (with some force he told me) and then would not disengage. I literally had to cut the helmet plate off the rhino mount with a dremel tool.

So if you find yourself with a helmet plate of unknown origin and your Rhino mount is not easily snapping into place don't force it or you may never get it out again.

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Posted: 9/23/2007 4:50:52 AM
Man, I can't thank you guys enough for the details and pictures. This makes things much more clear.

I made the retail rounds today, helmet shopping. I finally found a SIXSIXONE (whatever the heck that is), at the local bike shop and bought it after melon-mounting it several times. A chin strap modification is definitely in order, and now I see how I can do it.

The skull crusher is one step closer to being replaced.

Thanks again!
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Originally Posted By BigW1stCav:
Man, I can't thank you guys enough for the details and pictures. This makes things much more clear.

I made the retail rounds today, helmet shopping. I finally found a SIXSIXONE (whatever the heck that is), at the local bike shop and bought it after melon-mounting it several times. A chin strap modification is definitely in order, and now I see how I can do it.

The skull crusher is one step closer to being replaced.

Thanks again!


Please post up pics of your rig when you get it finished, as well as the ones of the skull crusher burning in hell.

A surplus USGI MICH 4-point chinstrap works well on the skateboard/bicycle helmets; the NSN is 8470-01-476-2605; they can be found for about $20-25 if you shop around.
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I'll add one thing that has not been touched on before and that is drilling into a kevlar helmet. All the MSA and Gentex domes I sell, I offer a free service of drilling and mounting the mounts of their choice. If you have to drill into kevlar, start with the smallest drill bit (like a #40) and slow feed and med to slow speed is best. You will see some kevlar strands that will break out the opposite side. To miminize breakout, I usually c-clamp a piece of small wood on the back side to miminize the breakout. A small exacto usually cleans up the fibers that do protrude. Also, another import point is to use a NEW drill bit! I find a brad-point drill bit works very well as long as the bit is very sharp. Please don't break out granpa's old tool box with early 1900's bits for drilling a $400 helmet! Hope this helps as I do not see much text mounting mounts to kevlar helmets. Hope this helps as well.

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Posted: 9/23/2007 8:49:30 PM

Originally Posted By IPSC_GUY:
The mention of airsoft brings up a good point and a WARNING. There are airsoft helmet plates out there floating around. The danger with them is this. They are dimensionally smaller by a few thousandths of an inch.

I had a customer send me one with his Rhino mount clipped into it. He had bought it off ebay and thought it was a USGI MICH plate. He had mounted it up and then snapped his rhino mount into it... FOREVER ! ! !

The Rhino mount had gone in (with some force he told me) and then would not disengage. I literally had to cut the helmet plate off the rhino mount with a dremel tool.

So if you find yourself with a helmet plate of unknown origin and your Rhino mount is not easily snapping into place don't force it or you may never get it out again.

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I think you're talking about the replica "Norotos" head mounts used by most SF units on their MICHs, specially USAF PJs and Army SF ODAs in Iraq and A-Stan.

www.norotos.com/

The airsoft people are getting really good at making good replicas of actual NVG equipment with the exception that the screw up the measurements by a hair's breadth and the materials they use are not to par (except for the ocassional vest that seems to be as good as the real deal).

You really have to pick things off with a fine toothbrush and a magnifying glass when shopping on eBay. EBay is full of repops that are being sold as the "Real Deal" that is hard to tell apart.

That's a cautionary tale for ya. WHen shopping for this type of equipment, it is very wise to do some research on, not only what you are buying, but also who is selling it to you.

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No this was not a copy of a Nortos, this was a copy of a MICH plate. Once I got it cut off I could see the differences but I am sure the ebay (where the owner got it) add did not show clearly what the items was.

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Posted: 9/25/2007 1:19:09 AM

Originally Posted By murderman:

Originally Posted By BigW1stCav:
Man, I can't thank you guys enough for the details and pictures. This makes things much more clear.

I made the retail rounds today, helmet shopping. I finally found a SIXSIXONE (whatever the heck that is), at the local bike shop and bought it after melon-mounting it several times. A chin strap modification is definitely in order, and now I see how I can do it.

The skull crusher is one step closer to being replaced.

Thanks again!


Please post up pics of your rig when you get it finished, as well as the ones of the skull crusher burning in hell.

A surplus USGI MICH 4-point chinstrap works well on the skateboard/bicycle helmets; the NSN is 8470-01-476-2605; they can be found for about $20-25 if you shop around.


I'll post pictures of the rig when I get it set up. In the meantime, I couldn't believe that I actually found something at US Cavalry for under 2,657 dollars:

chin straps

Hopefully that will help somebody else who might be searching.
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Posted: 9/25/2007 3:00:57 AM

Originally Posted By BigW1stCav:

Originally Posted By murderman:

Originally Posted By BigW1stCav:
Man, I can't thank you guys enough for the details and pictures. This makes things much more clear.

I made the retail rounds today, helmet shopping. I finally found a SIXSIXONE (whatever the heck that is), at the local bike shop and bought it after melon-mounting it several times. A chin strap modification is definitely in order, and now I see how I can do it.

The skull crusher is one step closer to being replaced.

Thanks again!



Please post up pics of your rig when you get it finished, as well as the ones of the skull crusher burning in hell.

A surplus USGI MICH 4-point chinstrap works well on the skateboard/bicycle helmets; the NSN is 8470-01-476-2605; they can be found for about $20-25 if you shop around.


I'll post pictures of the rig when I get it set up. In the meantime, I couldn't believe that I actually found something at US Cavalry for under 2,657 dollars:

chin straps

Hopefully that will help somebody else who might be searching.



SHINY ! ! !

The SDS straps are what I used but I bought em in a surplus store and I was " a wonderin" where I could get more. Thanks,


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Originally Posted By IPSC_GUY:

Originally Posted By BigW1stCav:

Originally Posted By murderman:

Originally Posted By BigW1stCav:
Man, I can't thank you guys enough for the details and pictures. This makes things much more clear.

I made the retail rounds today, helmet shopping. I finally found a SIXSIXONE (whatever the heck that is), at the local bike shop and bought it after melon-mounting it several times. A chin strap modification is definitely in order, and now I see how I can do it.

The skull crusher is one step closer to being replaced.

Thanks again!



Please post up pics of your rig when you get it finished, as well as the ones of the skull crusher burning in hell.

A surplus USGI MICH 4-point chinstrap works well on the skateboard/bicycle helmets; the NSN is 8470-01-476-2605; they can be found for about $20-25 if you shop around.


I'll post pictures of the rig when I get it set up. In the meantime, I couldn't believe that I actually found something at US Cavalry for under 2,657 dollars:

chin straps

Hopefully that will help somebody else who might be searching.



SHINY ! ! !

The SDS straps are what I used but I bought em in a surplus store and I was " a wonderin" where I could get more. Thanks,


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Careful when you order, depending on the color you want. Right now, the OD is out of stock. Of course, I can't wait, so I ordered black.
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Does any body have any pics of a helmet mount on a old PASGT helmet?
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Does any body have any pics of a helmet mount on a old PASGT helmet?


why yes






the last photo are parachutist retetion straps and a foam insert used in the airborne community they help distrubute the weight as the straps go around the chin strap and balance quite well
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