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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:10:44 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Yea, read the thread. See my posts in that same thread. NFA wait times go up and down. I had a form 1 SBR approved in just a few months years back. Now we're back to more than a year. The 2A community is deluding themselves if they think the Anti-Gun ATF has any intention of keeping wait times for NFA down to a reasonable level for any length of time. They have to play the game, come off as reasonable people, especially in the political atmosphere, make largely meaningless overtures, then any slight improvements end up walking back and becoming even worse over time. The ATF could approve these in less than a day if they actually cared to so do. Volume is a problem. You can make all the conspiracy theories you want but in the end it's a simple numbers game. |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 1:30:00 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
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Posted: 9/22/2017 2:12:31 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Years back there weren't anything like the number of submissions over the past 2-3 years. Volume is a problem. You can make all the conspiracy theories you want but in the end it's a simple numbers game. Sure, it if got national outcry and a hundred million people demanded it be fixed then sure, it would be done with the quickness. But alas, NFA folks don’t even register as “small” on the potatoes scale. |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 2:13:54 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Do us all a HUGE favor. Don't file another one.  |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 3:41:02 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
I just got THE call from my Class III. I'll be picking it up tomorrow afternoon after work. That made it 264 days Total. It also means that my Original estimates were Dead On.
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USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 9:03:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Nada-Nada]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Years back there weren't anything like the number of submissions over the past 2-3 years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
Years back there weren't anything like the number of submissions over the past 2-3 years. Originally Posted By vellnueve:
Volume is a problem. You can make all the conspiracy theories you want but in the end it's a simple numbers game. As far as conspiracies.... really? ATF engages in anti-gun criminal conspiracies.... fact. Fast and Furious. Cigarette Slush Fund. This isn't even criminal, yet somehow you get to label the idea that ATF culture could drive slow walks of NFA a kookie conspiracy? ATF is a 'Anti-Vice' squad by design. ATF does not exist to help support these industries nor the consumers of the same. Tell you what. 100 Bucks says that NFA approvals will never sustain sub 3 months approval for more than 2 years. Take me up on that. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 12:25:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: volfan25]
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
I just got THE call from my Class III. I'll be picking it up tomorrow afternoon after work. That made it 264 days Total. It also means that my Original estimates were Dead On. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 4:10:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Strikefirst]
[#8]
Nice lady at ATF just told me Individuals are currently being processed from April.
I told her about the guy getting 5 individual form ones back from june and she said they have people from other departments helping them and it is possible they are grabbing forms out of turn. |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 6:33:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NemesisMind]
[#9]
I'm going to keep telling myself that a trust is worth it (for the long run).
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Posted: 9/22/2017 8:45:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nada-Nada:
My sub 4 month approval was when eforms came on line, this was during a incredibly high volume period. Volume can be overcome. It's not numbers are too high so nothing we can do, even you admit that. As far as conspiracies.... really? ATF engages in anti-gun criminal conspiracies.... fact. Fast and Furious. Cigarette Slush Fund. This isn't even criminal, yet somehow you get to label the idea that ATF culture could drive slow walks of NFA a kookie conspiracy? ATF is a 'Anti-Vice' squad by design. ATF does not exist to help support these industries nor the consumers of the same. Tell you what. 100 Bucks says that NFA approvals will never sustain sub 3 months approval for more than 2 years. Take me up on that. 
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USA
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Posted: 9/22/2017 9:10:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nada-Nada]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vellnueve:
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Posted: 9/22/2017 10:13:11 PM EDT
[#12]
It would be nice if they got a little more efficient with mailing stuff out. Up to 30 days? Come on.
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Posted: 9/22/2017 10:19:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
Are you sure it wasn't 265 days... or even 263 days? It was exactly 264 days? 12/31/16 9/21/17 264 12/31/2016 (Top Cell - A12) 9/21/2017 (Bottom Cell - A11) =A12-A11 Lemme guess: I was having too much fun, right???? |
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Posted: 9/22/2017 10:48:43 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Yep 12/31/16 9/21/17 264 12/31/2016 (Top Cell - A12) 9/21/2017 (Bottom Cell - A11) =A12-A11 Lemme guess: I was having too much fun, right???? 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2017 6:11:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Blanco_Diablo]
[#15]
Still waiting on an October 3, 2016 Form 4 trust for my first MG... I don't think I'll do another trust form.
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Posted: 9/23/2017 7:09:05 AM EDT
[#16]
Anybody remember back when trusts used to be the way to go?
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USA
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Posted: 9/23/2017 8:10:18 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
Anybody remember back when trusts used to be the way to go? 
Still sticking with them here though. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/23/2017 12:02:15 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By freerider04:
It would be nice if they got a little more efficient with mailing stuff out. Up to 30 days? Come on. Bah. I better get my other can I bought in August somewhat soon. Make me even. |
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Posted: 9/23/2017 1:26:18 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Still sticking with them here though. |
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Posted: 9/23/2017 9:33:00 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FullAutoHound:
This is where I’m at. First I’m one of the longer form 4’s to get approved and now I’m one of the longer waits for my stamp to come in. Bah. I better get my other can I bought in August somewhat soon. Make me even. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FullAutoHound:
Originally Posted By freerider04:
It would be nice if they got a little more efficient with mailing stuff out. Up to 30 days? Come on. Bah. I better get my other can I bought in August somewhat soon. Make me even. |
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Posted: 9/24/2017 12:52:00 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Oh, they really ARE getting more efficient at mailing things out. APPROVED September 14 and received 7 Days later. That's a record dispatch as far as I know. If somebody has a quicker time I'd like to know it. I've gotten things back 3 days after approval. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 9:36:33 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
Anybody remember back when trusts used to be the way to go? All of my Form 1's are on a Trust, but I have no idea what I will do when I finally buy a suppressor. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 1:22:19 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jason280:
All of my Form 1's are on a Trust, but I have no idea what I will do when I finally buy a suppressor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jason280:
Originally Posted By grimhollow:
Anybody remember back when trusts used to be the way to go? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2017 3:59:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ScottXD]
[#24]
I am on day 65 waiting on a paper form 3 from Capitol Armory. I placed my order just days before the 24 hour form 3 efiles started showing up and CA was still doing paper forms. Talked to a dealer last week that had a form 3 approval in 8 minutes. 8 fucking minutes while I sit here at 2 fucking months with NOTHING.
FATF and their incompetence. Edit: Apparently the ATF is reading this thread because on day 66 my can is finally shipping. Now I can start the waiting game all over again.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2017 12:18:11 AM EDT
[#25]
It is what it is. And honestly, I don't think/concern myself with how long things have taken. In the last 13 months. I've only though about my stuff a handful of times.
But recently, with the one year "anniversary" and now 13 months (and one year since check cashed) since paperwork sent in. I'm really annoyed now that people that filed paperwork MONTHS after I did. Have gotten stuff MONTHS before now.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2017 10:30:13 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jack_Flag:
It is what it is. And honestly, I don't think/concern myself with how long things have taken. In the last 13 months. I've only though about my stuff a handful of times. But recently, with the one year "anniversary" and now 13 months (and one year since check cashed) since paperwork sent in. I'm really annoyed now that people that filed paperwork MONTHS after I did. Have gotten stuff MONTHS before now. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2017 11:58:17 AM EDT
[#27]
Ya the time gap should be addressed better with resource allocation, not a ton we can do though.
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Posted: 9/28/2017 4:06:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Is there any way to file under a trust and not have to get fingerprints/ID cards on each individual named? This is where I am now....I'd like to pick up a 9mm can, but have 9 names listed on my trust.
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Posted: 9/28/2017 4:36:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jason280:
Is there any way to file under a trust and not have to get fingerprints/ID cards on each individual named? This is where I am now....I'd like to pick up a 9mm can, but have 9 names listed on my trust. |
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Posted: 9/28/2017 6:50:22 PM EDT
[#30]
I thought wait times were supposed to drop across the board after 41f/p/q/z/x/y/whatever but i'm 9.5 months into a form 4 trust and i am the only person on said trust.... gonna have a long hard though about the nfa game once this stamp and the 2 sbr stamps im waiting on get in
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2017 7:32:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigMan74:
I thought wait times were supposed to drop across the board after 41f/p/q/z/x/y/whatever but i'm 9.5 months into a form 4 trust and i am the only person on said trust.... gonna have a long hard though about the nfa game once this stamp and the 2 sbr stamps im waiting on get in |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2017 7:34:32 PM EDT
[#32]
But yeah... I'm antsy as fuck waiting for my Form 1 + Form 4 trusts
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Posted: 9/28/2017 8:42:20 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HotdogTaco:
"Perfect. Just what we were hoping for when we wrote the rule." -ATF
Oh and FATF |
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Posted: 9/28/2017 9:27:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: moose-hunter]
[#34]
With my F1 Trust now at one year +14 days since the NFA branch received my paperwork...
I'm wondering if would be any faster if I asked for a refund and resubmitted my forms as a individual?
ETA: Originally I posted this as a bit of a joke. However... When I re-read my post... Well maybe...
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2017 10:55:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moose-hunter:
With my F1 Trust now at one year +14 days since the NFA branch received my paperwork... I'm wondering if would be any faster if I asked for a refund and resubmitted my forms as a individual?
ETA: Originally I posted this as a bit of a joke. However... When I re-read my post... Well maybe... |
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Posted: 9/28/2017 11:40:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joe_sun:
When all those Individual form 1s started coming back that were filed 3-4-5-6 and now 7 months after I filed a trust form 1 is when I started to get annoyed. It wasn't the wait, I expected that, it's getting pushed to the end of the line and the whole month of Form 1 trusts that they skipped over. Now we all know those of use that filed trusts are screwed and we just have to sit it out. |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 6:42:27 AM EDT
[#37]
Finally got my Form 1 approved...........mailed in late November, 2016.
Mailed the Form 4 as an individual on the same day.........still waiting. These waits are so long that they arguably amount to a burdensome, unlawful ban in and of themselves. 
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Posted: 9/29/2017 7:35:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: grimhollow]
[#38]
Today is the one year anniversary of when I sent in my trust submission. Someone called about it a couple of weeks ago, so I know somebody was at least looking at it. I'm hoping I'll hear something any day now.
ETA: Well, one of my submissions, anyway. The other was in January. |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 1:08:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/29/2017 1:17:49 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By grimhollow:
Well, what do you know! 1 year to the day from when I wrote the check!
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2017 1:43:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dragpo]
[#41]
well shit now I need to call, I'm 3 weeks shy of a year
ETA: Great convo with NFA branch although I am still pending. They are working through September trusts at the moment. The biggest time consumption is reading the trust and RP forms, as well as background checks for multiple people. If anyone in your trust fails the background check you have to start the entire process over... but its the same background check the Settlor went through before so as long as you are not a felon, you shouldn't have any problems... Also, calling the NFA branch has ZERO impact on wait times, so call away. |
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Posted: 9/29/2017 3:36:19 PM EDT
[#42]
Good luck to all of you with trust submissions. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the one I sent in January to come back, now. I just got back from picking up my suppressor, didn't think this day would ever get here.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/29/2017 6:58:44 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jason280:
Is there any way to file under a trust and not have to get fingerprints/ID cards on each individual named? This is where I am now....I'd like to pick up a 9mm can, but have 9 names listed on my trust. |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 1:37:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nostromo]
[#44]
Any recent 5320.20 timelines lately? Emailed 8/26 for a quick trip I'm going on starting 10/6 and haven't heard a peep.
Edit- (no ones posted in the specific 5320.20 thread in a month) |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 2:51:51 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARsR4ME:
Im at the same spot. Was told to just write under the trustee names " removed from trust on (date of)" and send it in with just your stuff. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARsR4ME:
Originally Posted By Jason280:
Is there any way to file under a trust and not have to get fingerprints/ID cards on each individual named? This is where I am now....I'd like to pick up a 9mm can, but have 9 names listed on my trust. |
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Posted: 9/30/2017 4:50:10 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nostromo:
Any recent 5320.20 timelines lately? Emailed 8/26 for a quick trip I'm going on starting 10/6 and haven't heard a peep. Edit- (no ones posted in the specific 5320.20 thread in a month) I submitted some a little over 3 weeks ago, but haven't heard anything. Gonna call Monday to make sure they were received, since I used the email option. One time I did that they had no record of them. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/1/2017 9:05:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rdennis]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moose-hunter:
As posted in the "Post 41F" tread by rdennis... Form 1 Trust mailed 9/10/16 Pending 9/26/16 Approved 9/7/17 Received in mailbox 9/16/17 Fact or fiction? (please oh please oh please let it be true seeing my 9-12-16 submission... please oh please...) And the stamp for the second Form 1 Trust I mailed to ATF at the same time arrived two days later. |
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Posted: 10/1/2017 9:09:57 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rdennis:
True. And the stamp for the second Form 1 Trust I mailed to ATF at the same time arrived two days later.
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Posted: 10/1/2017 9:56:11 PM EDT
[#49]
I received my 3rd and final Form 1 stamp in the mail yesterday, a full 443 days after it was mailed....now, I have to decide what I want to build with it!
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Posted: 10/2/2017 4:01:00 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nostromo:
Any recent 5320.20 timelines lately? Emailed 8/26 for a quick trip I'm going on starting 10/6 and haven't heard a peep. Edit- (no ones posted in the specific 5320.20 thread in a month) I called today on mine, submitted 9/5/17. I've had faxed in forms disappear before, but I emailed these and wanted to make sure they had them. Melissa said they were definitely in the system and pending. You can call and check...just choose the options for "other forms" (not F1/F4 and then not EForms IIRC) |
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