User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:16:10 PM EDT
[#1]
Their range, their delusional made-up bullshit.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:21:23 PM EDT
[#2]
Ask to see their paperwork from ATF.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:22:49 PM EDT
[#3]
You are correct.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:25:02 PM EDT
[#4]
at my range many times members offer to show me their paperwork and I just tell them nope I don't need the see it. I'm the Ro not the ATF
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:32:39 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Their range, their delusional made-up bullshit. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:35:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
at my range many times members offer to show me their paperwork and I just tell them nope I don't need the see it. I'm the Ro not the ATF |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:38:10 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ask to see their paperwork from ATF. I asked them to look that law up sometime because they would never find it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:52:01 PM EDT
[#8]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 7:55:56 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Their range, their delusional made-up bullshit. This and I'm assuming someone on the board decided it should be a cya policy for the range. My range has never asked for anything. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 8:07:26 PM EDT
[#10]
Thought you were going to say it was the Range in Richfield. Wouldn't surprise me either.
Haven't been to the one in Brookfield yet. Didn't hear good things about them as they were setting up shop. Rates aren't good enough to bring me in. ETA: I've never been asked at any of the ranges here in SE Wisconsin. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 8:08:10 PM EDT
[#11]
You know I've heard about stupid places doing this to cya but even in the event someone is using an illegal NFA item, it doesn't come down to them to enforce it but the atf.
In a few months my shop will be getting its SOT, I wonder what one of these ranges will say when I bring a can or sbr to the range without a stamp. I guess bring this letter NFA rules 9.5.2 Possession of firearms by employees of FFLs/SOTs for employers’ business purposes. No “transfer” under the NFA occurs when an FFL/SOT permits a bona fide employee to take custody of its registered NFA firearms for purposes within the employee’s scope of employment and for the business purposes of the FFL/SOT. Therefore, no approved ATF transfer form is required when employees take custody of firearms under these circumstances. In addition, the interstate delivery of a firearm to the employee and the employee’s receipt of the firearm would not violate the GCA. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 8:11:28 PM EDT
[#12]
I would have left... mostly because my stamps stay in a binder in my safe
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 8:16:24 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ask to see their paperwork from ATF. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 9:07:28 PM EDT
[#14]
The cunts at the range in question are mistaken.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 9:19:01 PM EDT
[#15]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 10:01:30 PM EDT
[#16]
I just find it stupid that the RO says it's illegal for me to shoot a suppressors without my tax stamp. I guess the ATF can't look serial numbers up and reference that to the owner. Do not pass go and collect $200
I did pack up after he said it but I was done shooting anyways. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 10:04:12 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Past issues  'lots and lots of old people at the club. CCW becomes show and tell and a lot of reholstering in the parking lot etc. You can draw from holster all you want but carry guns really aren't needed as everyone is standing on the firing line with a hot gun any way. Did I mention lots and lots of old guys with guns.  any many many newbz
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 10:30:40 PM EDT
[#18]
I have shot there several times and they have never asked.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/23/2017 11:10:14 PM EDT
[#19]
1. 99% of the staff doesn't know what they are looking at.
2. My laminated cards are shrunk to the size of credit cards. It would take extremely good eyesight to read without magnification. They are completely legible, just tiny. 3. I paid for the stack of cards. I don't mind showing them off.  I won't even blow their minds with the trust. I keep it on my keyring in a thumb drive.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/24/2017 12:39:22 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
So this local range says that the ATF requires them to see my tax stamps on my NFA items or it's against the law for me to fire them there or my friends house or any where. I showed them my stamps but I explained to them that they are misinformed and really it's just their policy. So am I right or wrong because I'm pretty darn sure I'm in the right and they are blowing smoke. Go to one of those ranges with a Form 2 instead of a Form 1 or Form 4 and watch heads explode. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/24/2017 1:03:24 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Go to one of those ranges with a Form 2 instead of a Form 1 or Form 4 and watch heads explode. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
So this local range says that the ATF requires them to see my tax stamps on my NFA items or it's against the law for me to fire them there or my friends house or any where. I showed them my stamps but I explained to them that they are misinformed and really it's just their policy. So am I right or wrong because I'm pretty darn sure I'm in the right and they are blowing smoke. Go to one of those ranges with a Form 2 instead of a Form 1 or Form 4 and watch heads explode. 
I'd ask whoever at the range is asking for my stamp/form 2/3 for their ATF credentials before showing them mine. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/24/2017 1:05:11 PM EDT
[#22]
Full of shit
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/24/2017 10:29:09 PM EDT
[#23]
Yup, none of their business.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/24/2017 10:34:07 PM EDT
[#24]
as others said you are correct
it is a TAX Stamp and non of there business |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/24/2017 10:59:43 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Their range, their delusional made-up bullshit. With some of the bullshit that has come out of the ATF over the years (see the recent thread about engraved dummy sear hole 80% lowers being machine guns), I would not be surprised is an ATF agent told them that is the law. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 9:35:58 AM EDT
[#26]
Not required by law.
But its their range their rules. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 9:52:40 AM EDT
[#27]
Only valid response is:
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 9:54:22 AM EDT
[#28]
They could be making some wierd interpretation of a state law.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 10:04:25 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
With some of the bullshit that has come out of the ATF over the years (see the recent thread about engraved dummy sear hole 80% lowers being machine guns), I would not be surprised is an ATF agent told them that is the law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Their range, their delusional made-up bullshit. With some of the bullshit that has come out of the ATF over the years (see the recent thread about engraved dummy sear hole 80% lowers being machine guns), I would not be surprised is an ATF agent told them that is the law. Yep, like the gun shop in Texas that posted a sign saying stripped lowers were sold as replacement parts only, due to their ATF agent insisting on it. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 12:08:52 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd ask whoever at the range is asking for my stamp/form 2/3 for their ATF credentials before showing them mine. This response is why gun owners make bad businessmen. The correct response is to show it off while loudly proclaiming that your neato-cool machine gun is available for rent along with several dozen others, and then you start handing out business cards when you get mobbed. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 5:09:44 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
This response is why gun owners make bad businessmen. The correct response is to show it off while loudly proclaiming that your neato-cool machine gun is available for rent along with several dozen others, and then you start handing out business cards when you get mobbed. In my case there are no machine guns for rental but if you have a few million to start up a range and get machine guns in your stable, by all means. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 7:16:24 PM EDT
[#32]
My favorite answer to people like that is " I just bought it off a guy in your parking lot, he didn't say anything about paperwork, it should be on your security camera video, go check." I do this with as straight a face as possible. The reactions are priceless.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 8:10:26 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
1. 99% of the staff doesn't know what they are looking at. 2. My laminated cards are shrunk to the size of credit cards. It would take extremely good eyesight to read without magnification. They are completely legible, just tiny. 3. I paid for the stack of cards. I don't mind showing them off. I won't even blow their minds with the trust. I keep it on my keyring in a thumb drive. I have scans on my phone, when I started going to a range near me last year the attendant asked, so I showed him the images. He clearly had no clue what to look for, even as I pointed out the model numbers. Certainly he would have no clue how to match the Trust documents to the Form 1s. We chatted about SBR's and silencers for a bit, all nice and polite. Followup visits I haven't seen that guy again, and none of the others have asked me for anything. I think they're still trying to figure out range policies and don't communicate effectively internally. Really though, I think they just have no clue what I have with me. On the other hand, I would think verifying forms would open as much liability as anything. When someone accidentally sprays the range with the machinegun, you can either be "oh, we didn't tell him he could have it, it's all his fault!!" or "yeah, we saw a badly scanned image of what looked like a form and told him he was good to go". |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/25/2017 11:41:02 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
In my case there are no machine guns for rental but if you have a few million to start up a range and get machine guns in your stable, by all means. Range: No Stable full of rental post-samples: Yes
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/26/2017 3:29:27 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Range: No Stable full of rental post-samples: Yes SOT will be paid for July 1st so I'm anxious on getting to try out some post sample goodness 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2017 9:30:43 AM EDT
[#36]
I would tell them to pound sand, and go spend my money elsewhere.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2017 9:36:08 AM EDT
[#37]
My local range is also the SOT I bought my Omega from and they also got me into SBRs
|
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2017 9:51:18 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryGo to one of those ranges with a Form 2 instead of a Form 1 or Form 4 and watch heads explode. Ive done it. Its winning seeing the befuddled look on their face and then explaing to them what it was and that although it is their range, its not legally binding for me to share a tax document with them. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2017 10:17:04 AM EDT
[#39]
Sounds like derp to me.
At the city run range I occasionally use, the Rangemaster may ask "who made it & how do you like it?" I've never been asked for paperwork. Suppressors are getting pretty common here. |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/28/2017 11:12:10 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
although it is their range, its not legally binding for me to share a tax document with them. "Legally binding" what does that mean in the context of showing someone a form? |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/29/2017 9:37:38 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
"Legally binding" what does that mean in the context of showing someone a form? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
although it is their range, its not legally binding for me to share a tax document with them. "Legally binding" what does that mean in the context of showing someone a form? I understand their range their rules but the few times I've been asked they acted as if I was required by law to show it to them ( legally bound). The OP indicated the same. The good thing iss 90% of the time I shoot on private property and the other 10% is at a range that doesnt seem to care (Elite Shooting Sports in Manassas, VA). |
|
|
|
Posted: 1/30/2017 3:01:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I understand their range their rules but the few times I've been asked they acted as if I was required by law to show it to them ( legally bound). The OP indicated the same. The good thing iss 90% of the time I shoot on private property and the other 10% is at a range that doesnt seem to care (Elite Shooting Sports in Manassas, VA). Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
although it is their range, its not legally binding for me to share a tax document with them. "Legally binding" what does that mean in the context of showing someone a form? I understand their range their rules but the few times I've been asked they acted as if I was required by law to show it to them ( legally bound). The OP indicated the same. The good thing iss 90% of the time I shoot on private property and the other 10% is at a range that doesnt seem to care (Elite Shooting Sports in Manassas, VA). Or...what? You get arrested? They get arrested? Someone's dog gets shot? 'Cuz that's what "required by law" means. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/4/2017 5:45:23 PM EDT
[#43]
I CCW at the range. I was alone at a public range one day, went to check target at 100 yds. Turned to return and there were two teens standing next to my table eyeing my gear, AR with ammo. Luckily they were just curious but I would rather be armed to some extent should shit go south. Concealed means concealed.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/5/2017 6:40:57 PM EDT
[#44]
If they ask, I'll show them.
I prefer to shoot on private land, but if it's a privately owned gun range... I don't have to show them my stamps... but they also don't have to allow me to shoot there. |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/5/2017 7:27:11 PM EDT
[#45]
There range there rules
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/5/2017 7:39:35 PM EDT
[#46]
If it's a range I've never been to I mention it and offer to show copies. It's either deer in the headlights nod or "Don't need to see anything, im not a fed. If the Feds do show up, that's for you to deal with". Never have been questioned.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/5/2017 9:17:03 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
There range there rules Where range? Where rules? |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/5/2017 11:53:41 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yep, like the gun shop in Texas that posted a sign saying stripped lowers were sold as replacement parts only, due to their ATF agent insisting on it. So, if they are just replacement parts, I can just pay with cash and walk out, no 4473? 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 2/6/2017 11:36:27 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
There range there rules |
|
|
|
Posted: 2/6/2017 12:42:18 PM EDT
[#50]
There is no passion like that of a functionary for his function.
|
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
