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Posted: 3/15/2015 7:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
OTOH, can I edit the .pdf file & manually transfer/enter the name, date fields, etc. info (in particular, the notary's hand-written signature & commission expiration stamp), or are the signature fields required to display actual hand-written signatures? Pretty sure they want to see the sigs. What you could do is upload the PDF, and then upload a second file of just the notarized/signed pages. Name them so it's clear what they contain. You're allowed up to 10 attachements at 3MB each. |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 1:18:07 PM EDT
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So regarding entering the trust name -
I went with 199 trust. my trust is called "Justin3 Trust" I read elsewhere that ATF was kicking back forms based on the word "the" not being in front of trust names Not using quotation marks here, unless quotation marks appear in the actual document. My trust document starts off with the title - Declaration of the Justin3 Trust and the second sentence of the second paragraph says - It shall be known as the Justin3 Trust and the intent of the trust....... Then the second part of my trust document is titled - CERTIFICATION OF TRUST/DECLARATION OF TRUST the first line starts out with: 1. Trust Name and Date: The following Trust is the subject of this Certification of Trust: The “Good Trust,” dated 3/16/2-15 so based on this info, what is appropriate to put in the application, "The Justin3 Trust" or "Justin3 Trust" and then what I put in that box would be verbatim what gets engraved on the item being manufactured? |
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Posted: 3/16/2015 1:36:46 PM EDT
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I can only say what I would do if it was me.
I would not include "the" in the title since it's not capitalized. Mine has "the" in the document, but it's not included inside the quotes in one spot, and isn't bold in the other. The Cert of Trust is a little more questionable, but I don't believe it's required to send that. I did include mine. If you send it, just put it as the last section. I would think you'd have a good argument to get a Disapproval overturned if they Disapproved it because you didn't include "the". |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 11:12:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justin3:
So regarding entering the trust name - I went with 199 trust. my trust is called "Justin3 Trust" I read elsewhere that ATF was kicking back forms based on the word "the" not being in front of trust names Not using quotation marks here, unless quotation marks appear in the actual document. My trust document starts off with the title - and the second sentence of the second paragraph says - Then the second part of my trust document is titled - CERTIFICATION OF TRUST/DECLARATION OF TRUST the first line starts out with: so based on this info, what is appropriate to put in the application, "The Justin3 Trust" or "Justin3 Trust" and then what I put in that box would be verbatim what gets engraved on the item being manufactured? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Justin3:
So regarding entering the trust name - I went with 199 trust. my trust is called "Justin3 Trust" I read elsewhere that ATF was kicking back forms based on the word "the" not being in front of trust names Not using quotation marks here, unless quotation marks appear in the actual document. My trust document starts off with the title - Declaration of the Justin3 Trust and the second sentence of the second paragraph says - It shall be known as the Justin3 Trust and the intent of the trust....... Then the second part of my trust document is titled - CERTIFICATION OF TRUST/DECLARATION OF TRUST the first line starts out with: 1. Trust Name and Date: The following Trust is the subject of this Certification of Trust: The “Good Trust,” dated 3/16/2-15 so based on this info, what is appropriate to put in the application, "The Justin3 Trust" or "Justin3 Trust" and then what I put in that box would be verbatim what gets engraved on the item being manufactured? You shouldn't need to include "the" as part of your trust's name. I used 199trust for mine as well and did it the same way you are with "Ctprelude Trust" as the name, and I was just approved last week. "The" would need to be capitalized if it was part of your trust's name. |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 11:57:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ctprelude:
You shouldn't need to include "the" as part of your trust's name. I used 199trust for mine as well and did it the same way you are with "Ctprelude Trust" as the name, and I was just approved last week. "The" would need to be capitalized if it was part of your trust's name. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ctprelude:
Originally Posted By Justin3:
So regarding entering the trust name - I went with 199 trust. my trust is called "Justin3 Trust" I read elsewhere that ATF was kicking back forms based on the word "the" not being in front of trust names Not using quotation marks here, unless quotation marks appear in the actual document. My trust document starts off with the title - Declaration of the Justin3 Trust and the second sentence of the second paragraph says - It shall be known as the Justin3 Trust and the intent of the trust....... Then the second part of my trust document is titled - CERTIFICATION OF TRUST/DECLARATION OF TRUST the first line starts out with: 1. Trust Name and Date: The following Trust is the subject of this Certification of Trust: The “Good Trust,” dated 3/16/2-15 so based on this info, what is appropriate to put in the application, "The Justin3 Trust" or "Justin3 Trust" and then what I put in that box would be verbatim what gets engraved on the item being manufactured? You shouldn't need to include "the" as part of your trust's name. I used 199trust for mine as well and did it the same way you are with "Ctprelude Trust" as the name, and I was just approved last week. "The" would need to be capitalized if it was part of your trust's name. I used the 199 trust website and my trust is my last name trust with no "the" . It.was just approved last week on a form one and has another week for two suppressors. |
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Posted: 3/18/2015 8:39:44 PM EDT
[#6]
Thanks so much. Just used this for the first time.
 
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Posted: 3/18/2015 10:53:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dash_ISpy:
Thanks so much. Just used this for the first time. You are welcome. I'm glad people are able to understand my ramblings. Be sure to post here if you find an error or missed step in the guide. Thanks. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/19/2015 2:40:03 PM EDT
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I just got my eForm back.........DISAPPROVED
Reason was because I used my PO Box in 3b and didn't give a street address in 3c. Should I just put my street address in 3b instead of PO Box? |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 3:46:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BigWaylon]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williet:
I just got my eForm back.........DISAPPROVED
Reason was because I used my PO Box in 3b and didn't give a street address in 3c. Should I just put my street address in 3b instead of PO Box? Yes. It has to be registered to an address. 
Although, the reality is most legal entities (especially trusts) don't have a physical address. You'd just use your home address. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 3:55:06 PM EDT
[#10]
filed my first 2 today.
now its time to sit and wait
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Posted: 3/19/2015 8:02:30 PM EDT
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I was going to ask what happens when it is disapproved. Does the cycle start all over again? I'm still less than 30 days waiting, but I was just curious.
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Posted: 3/19/2015 9:18:15 PM EDT
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Just did my first for an SBR on a Delaware Machine lower. The DM lower literally has no model... I ended up selecting N/A. Here's hoping that doesn't hang it up too badly.
I also realized after submitting that my Schedule A isn't assigned... This was after I originally put the attachments in the line item instead of at the end. And deleted them. And did it again. I have a feeling mine will have questions. 
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Posted: 3/19/2015 9:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OilyPablo:
I was going to ask what happens when it is disapproved. Does the cycle start all over again? I'm still less than 30 days waiting, but I was just curious. Technically "back of the line". However, there's a supervisor there (Ted) that has been approving the new form within 48 hours if you send him the info from the Disapproved F1 and the resubmitted F1. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 9:39:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
dl Technically "back of the line". However, there's a supervisor there (Ted) that has been approving the new form within 48 hours if you send him the info from the Disapproved F1 and the resubmitted F1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I was going to ask what happens when it is disapproved. Does the cycle start all over again? I'm still less than 30 days waiting, but I was just curious. Technically "back of the line". However, there's a supervisor there (Ted) that has been approving the new form within 48 hours if you send him the info from the Disapproved F1 and the resubmitted F1. Do they just 'disapprove' or can you modify the attachments and information if something is out of spec? |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 10:33:02 PM EDT
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This is my first time doing a form 1. I currently have a $20 bill assigned to it on the assignments list. Do I need to put the serial of the future sbr on it before or after I submit the form?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/19/2015 10:54:08 PM EDT
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Just used this and BigWaylons guide to fill a form 1 today. Was helpful. Than you guys for putting in the work to show us how to do it.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/19/2015 11:02:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: williet]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Technically "back of the line". However, there's a supervisor there (Ted) that has been approving the new form within 48 hours if you send him the info from the Disapproved F1 and the resubmitted F1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
I was going to ask what happens when it is disapproved. Does the cycle start all over again? I'm still less than 30 days waiting, but I was just curious. Technically "back of the line". However, there's a supervisor there (Ted) that has been approving the new form within 48 hours if you send him the info from the Disapproved F1 and the resubmitted F1. Got an email saying DISAPPROVED at 12 noon CST, resubmitted at 1:30 CST. Got an email saying APPROVED at 9:30pm, so it took 8 hours.
Big thanks to Ted for helping me out on this! Now how long do refunds take? It kinda sucks that i have to pay again to resubmit the form. |
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Posted: 3/19/2015 11:35:13 PM EDT
[#18]
Awesome - thanks guys!
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Posted: 3/20/2015 7:06:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williet:
Now how long do refunds take? It kinda sucks that i have to pay again to resubmit the form. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By williet:
Now how long do refunds take? It kinda sucks that i have to pay again to resubmit the form. I'm pretty sure they're still running 60+ days. Originally Posted By kab85:
Do they just 'disapprove' or can you modify the attachments and information if something is out of spec? They usually just Disapprove. No call or email to try to correct it. You can upload new attachments after it's submitted and before its Approved/Disapproved...but you can't edit the info on the form. |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 10:36:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
I'm pretty sure they're still running 60+ days. They usually just Disapprove. No call or email to try to correct it. You can upload new attachments after it's submitted and before its Approved/Disapproved...but you can't edit the info on the form. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By williet:
Now how long do refunds take? It kinda sucks that i have to pay again to resubmit the form. I'm pretty sure they're still running 60+ days. Originally Posted By kab85:
Do they just 'disapprove' or can you modify the attachments and information if something is out of spec? They usually just Disapprove. No call or email to try to correct it. You can upload new attachments after it's submitted and before its Approved/Disapproved...but you can't edit the info on the form. Ah ok. Well the only things I had that might have been off are the fact that the Delaware lower has literally no model number, and the Schedule A wasn't signed. I fixed the Schedule A, but I can't do anything about the model number except hope and wait. |
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Posted: 3/20/2015 1:42:43 PM EDT
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Sent my first Efile in on Tuesday. Thanks for the guide! |
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Posted: 3/21/2015 1:17:34 AM EDT
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Tag for later!!!
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Posted: 3/21/2015 7:32:11 PM EDT
[#23]
i am trying to pay. i keep getting a systems warning. something about java...etc etc. anyone else?
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Posted: 3/21/2015 7:43:04 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eddiegunks:
i am trying to pay. i keep getting a systems warning. something about java...etc etc. anyone else? Won't work in Firefox or with any script blocker. Try IE with all shields down. |
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Posted: 3/22/2015 12:48:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OilyPablo:
Won't work in Firefox or with any script blocker. Try IE with all shields down. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OilyPablo:
Originally Posted By eddiegunks:
i am trying to pay. i keep getting a systems warning. something about java...etc etc. anyone else? Won't work in Firefox or with any script blocker. Try IE with all shields down. It worked for me on Firefox, but it took a few tries. I'd get a blank popup, I had to close it and click again. |
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Posted: 3/22/2015 12:58:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mizzarley:
It worked for me on Firefox, but it took a few tries. I'd get a blank popup, I had to close it and click again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mizzarley:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
Originally Posted By eddiegunks:
i am trying to pay. i keep getting a systems warning. something about java...etc etc. anyone else? Won't work in Firefox or with any script blocker. Try IE with all shields down. It worked for me on Firefox, but it took a few tries. I'd get a blank popup, I had to close it and click again. I tried and tried that, no go. No offense or anything but I hope that website wasn't as expensive as say.....obamacare.gov |
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Posted: 3/22/2015 2:03:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OilyPablo: I tried and tried that, no go. No offense or anything but I hope that website wasn't as expensive as say.....obamacare.gov Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OilyPablo: Originally Posted By mizzarley: Originally Posted By OilyPablo: Originally Posted By eddiegunks: i am trying to pay. i keep getting a systems warning. something about java...etc etc. anyone else? Won't work in Firefox or with any script blocker. Try IE with all shields down. It worked for me on Firefox, but it took a few tries. I'd get a blank popup, I had to close it and click again. I tried and tried that, no go. No offense or anything but I hope that website wasn't as expensive as say.....obamacare.gov |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 3:54:29 PM EDT
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Anyone try to upload a Trust today. Can't seem to get past that page. Tried on IE and Safari, all I get is the spinning watch. ATF site went down during part of the attempeted up load so wondering if the problem was on their end?
Steve |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 4:35:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HK94dude:
try google chrome, that worked for me Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HK94dude:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
Originally Posted By mizzarley:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
Originally Posted By eddiegunks:
i am trying to pay. i keep getting a systems warning. something about java...etc etc. anyone else? Won't work in Firefox or with any script blocker. Try IE with all shields down. It worked for me on Firefox, but it took a few tries. I'd get a blank popup, I had to close it and click again. I tried and tried that, no go. No offense or anything but I hope that website wasn't as expensive as say.....obamacare.gov Same here, I tried IE but it only worked on Chrome. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 4:51:17 PM EDT
[#30]
Filled out my first Form 1 today for SBR. Now the wait....
Thank you for having this thread. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 6:42:55 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rojos: Anyone try to upload a Trust today. Can't seem to get past that page. Tried on IE and Safari, all I get is the spinning watch. ATF site went down during part of the attempeted up load so wondering if the problem was on their end? Steve |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 11:41:47 PM EDT
[#32]
Both of my Form 1's have had something I've put in the extra description field, none of it shows up on the form. Is this normal?
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Posted: 3/27/2015 8:07:40 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kab85:
Both of my Form 1's have had something I've put in the extra description field, none of it shows up on the form. Is this normal? Yes. The recommendation is to leave it blank. However, if you put something there, it doesn't show up on the form. Not sure if the examiners actually see it or not. (Similar to choose "caliber" or "mm"). |
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Posted: 3/30/2015 5:05:26 PM EDT
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Pay button problems
Specifically, with Chrome, for those who can't get the Pay.Gov window to show up - - Log in - You will see a shield icon on the right end of the browser address bar. Click or right click on it; you need to allow Chrome to load outdated/unverified scripts for this page - Log out - Log back in - Make sure the form didn't eat your uploaded docs - Hit pay button. Should work. Took me a few hours to figure this out - simply allowing the scripts won't do it, you have to have them allowed for the page before you log in. |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 4:14:38 PM EDT
[#35]
Well, I submitted my first eForm Form 1 using these and BigWaylon's instructions. It was nowhere near as hard as I
thought it would be other than a couple oddities on the ATF site. We'll see how it goes
(It is for a .40 cal po' boy SDTA suppressor that'll be used on a JRC, which will also eventually be Form 1ed to an SBR  )
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Posted: 4/8/2015 12:45:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Brahmzy]
[#36]
Can I use this EFORM method to submit a change of address?
If so, what is the eform I need? If not, what is the form I need? 
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Posted: 4/8/2015 12:51:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AlabamaPaul]
[#37]
No. Change of address is done on a 5320.20
ETA: You can't use eForms for submitting that form... |
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Posted: 4/8/2015 5:08:00 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlabamaPaul:
No. Change of address is done on a 5320.20 ETA: You can't use eForms for submitting that form... Thank you fine sir. |
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Posted: 4/10/2015 2:02:24 PM EDT
[#39]
Has anyone ran into this? This happened when I tried to click on "Sign & Submit".
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Posted: 4/12/2015 9:43:24 AM EDT
[#40]
FFS, I have IE 11.whatever and Chrome 41.whatever and neither will work through registration.
GD government in action. Best route from here? Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/12/2015 1:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mongo001:
FFS, I have IE 11.whatever and Chrome 41.whatever and neither will work through registration. GD government in action. Best route from here? Thanks. You can try Firefox, worked for me. That website blows, you just gotta keep at it. |
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Posted: 4/12/2015 1:31:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mongo001:
FFS, I have IE 11.whatever and Chrome 41.whatever and neither will work through registration. GD government in action. Best route from here? Thanks. Combo of Firefox, then IE to pay. All shields down! |
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Posted: 4/14/2015 2:47:59 PM EDT
[#43]
any recent approvals? what were your submission dates?
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Posted: 4/14/2015 8:02:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonBoy03: any recent approvals? what were your submission dates? |
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Posted: 4/19/2015 8:34:05 PM EDT
[#45]
I got through it with Firefox. Save a lot and if it gives you a popup error about Java just right click the page and refresh it. Worked for me.
The website in general is a POS, but I found it especially funny that the payment screen worked flawlessly. |
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Posted: 4/20/2015 4:55:05 PM EDT
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Thanks for this. I just finished the application for my first SBR. Chrome worked perfect for me.
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Posted: 4/20/2015 10:23:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: masfonos]
[#47]
I've asked before if the Schedule A (or assignment or whatever you call it) that you include with your trust must be updated each time you send it in or not and I believe the answer was to just send in the original Schedule A that showed the initial funding for the trust. However, in the past few days I've seen a couple of posts where people are talking about updating the Schedule A before sending it along with an application.
To confirm, what are people doing? Does it matter? There should be no issues sending the original electronic copy of a trust, including the original Schedule A showing only the initial funding (body) of the trust (even if the trust now includes additional property), correct? For payment, is it fine to use a pre-paid CC? |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 4:40:57 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By masfonos:
I've asked before if the Schedule A (or assignment or whatever you call it) that you include with your trust must be updated each time you send it in or not and I believe the answer was to just send in the original Schedule A that showed the initial funding for the trust. However, in the past few days I've seen a couple of posts where people are talking about updating the Schedule A before sending it along with an application. To confirm, what are people doing? Does it matter? There should be no issues sending the original electronic copy of a trust, including the original Schedule A showing only the initial funding (body) of the trust (even if the trust now includes additional property), correct? For payment, is it fine to use a pre-paid CC? I don't know about the pre-paid cc. For the schedule A I just upload the original for each new form 1 I submit. So far so good. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 5:47:20 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By masfonos:
I've asked before if the Schedule A (or assignment or whatever you call it) that you include with your trust must be updated each time you send it in or not and I believe the answer was to just send in the original Schedule A that showed the initial funding for the trust. However, in the past few days I've seen a couple of posts where people are talking about updating the Schedule A before sending it along with an application. To confirm, what are people doing? Does it matter? There should be no issues sending the original electronic copy of a trust, including the original Schedule A showing only the initial funding (body) of the trust (even if the trust now includes additional property), correct? For payment, is it fine to use a pre-paid CC? I run mine thru a LLC instead of a Trust. I take it this Schedule A only pertains to Trusts? For my cans & other SBR sending in the State Cert of Corporation and my IRS Tax ID was enough. Just don't want to have the eForm kicked back on me as this is the first time using it. |
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Posted: 4/21/2015 11:50:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JPHoldings:
I run mine thru a LLC instead of a Trust. I take it this Schedule A only pertains to Trusts? For my cans & other SBR sending in the State Cert of Corporation and my IRS Tax ID was enough. Just don't want to have the eForm kicked back on me as this is the first time using it. I don't know if any other entities have an analogous device, but the Schedule A is a part of my specific trust (and, AFAIK, most trusts I have seen have a similar device). It's just one of the pages that came with the overall document. It is essentially the list of property that the trust owns. I have heard various takes on this list - from "it isn't necessary, it's just to help you (and your heirs/beneficiaries) keep track of what the trust owns when the time comes to distribute property" to "it's a running list of what has been approved and I send in an updated list with each F1/F4" and "I update it when I send in the form/get approved/never/when I get around to it/etc". I have heard plenty of people say (including the poster above) that they only send their original list (including only the initial funding "body" of trust property that was required to execute the valid trust). |
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