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Posted: 10/28/2014 11:34:44 PM EDT
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I did. I just want the real thing. Though I am tempted to do the next one as an eform.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 1:05:39 AM EDT
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I got one real stamp on an SBR. Efiled my other. Just efiled two more. 30-35 days is awesome.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 2:05:55 AM EDT
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Hell no. I want the SBR, not a piece of paper. Eform approval is just as good as a paper form.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:08:12 AM EDT
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I have 3 real stamps, one efile complete, one efile in progress, another efile planned, and another real stamp planned.
That will make me 3 efile and 4 real stamps.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:51:01 AM EDT
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Most of my stamps are paper, but I'd efile everything if I still could.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:51:51 AM EDT
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Not me
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:18:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell no. I want the SBR, not a piece of paper. Eform approval is just as good as a paper form. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:16:04 AM EDT
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I have 3 paper stamps I got before efile came in to play, and 2 efile stamps. As long as I can F1 efile with my trust I have no desire to wait for paper forms in the mail. And since all I'm interested in are SBR/SBS and silencers, I don't have any need to do another form 4.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:53:29 AM EDT
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Hell no. I want the SBR, not a piece of paper. Eform approval is just as good as a paper form. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:53:53 AM EDT
[#10]
What's paper form 1 turnaround time? If it's justas fast why not? Get the cool stamp...
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:43:12 AM EDT
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I have 4 or 5 old stamps from weapons I sold. Cool to look at but thats it.
I could care less about the stamp or anything else except the approval. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:56:14 AM EDT
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What's paper form 1 turnaround time? If it's justas fast why not? Get the cool stamp... No papers to make copies of or mail in, no check to write, no fear of stamp getting lost in the mail. I bet I could submit an E-filed form 1 in under 3 minutes. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 10:48:55 AM EDT
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No papers to make copies of or mail in, no check to write, no fear of stamp getting lost in the mail. I bet I could submit an E-filed form 1 in under 3 minutes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's paper form 1 turnaround time? If it's justas fast why not? Get the cool stamp... No papers to make copies of or mail in, no check to write, no fear of stamp getting lost in the mail. I bet I could submit an E-filed form 1 in under 3 minutes. True. I wonder what the future holds. If they don't implement 41P and Trust holds it's value. I bet eforms will be the future and no more stamps would be produced because everyone would want faster approval. Stamps will be collection then? Maybe... You know what happens if gun related stuff becomes extinct. Value sky rocket and someone will pay. Be good way to sell off a sold stamp. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 12:44:45 PM EDT
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Hell no. I want the SBR, not a piece of paper. Eform approval is just as good as a paper form. It's just as legal. I have "older" paper stamps on some cans and an AOW. I also have two paper form1's still pending, so I'll have plenty of stamps to look at. I just want my form1's to be clear. I've gotten six efile form1's approved that have been filed starting in August. I'm still waiting on two paper form 1's filed in July. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 3:01:56 PM EDT
[#15]
I dont buy firearms to collect stamps.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:34:49 PM EDT
[#16]
I do whatever gets approval in the quickest manner...
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:15:02 PM EDT
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I'd rather have a PDF sent directly to me that I can back it up and have the printed copies be perfect than try to copy a form that has been folded and has a stupid stamp on it.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:47:52 PM EDT
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Did my first eForms today. Took alot longer than expected. Errors after errors then more errors. Slow server uploading stuff. Finally got it done tho. Took an hour and half.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 7:53:02 AM EDT
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Did my first eForms today. Took alot longer than expected. Errors after errors then more errors. Slow server uploading stuff. Finally got it done tho. Took an hour and half. Wednesday is E-forms down day... |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 8:54:16 AM EDT
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No papers to make copies of or mail in, no check to write, no fear of stamp getting lost in the mail. I bet I could submit an E-filed form 1 in under 3 minutes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's paper form 1 turnaround time? If it's justas fast why not? Get the cool stamp... No papers to make copies of or mail in, no check to write, no fear of stamp getting lost in the mail. I bet I could submit an E-filed form 1 in under 3 minutes. This. It costs me a few bucks to mail it in. eForms can be done in 10 minutes and the approved paperwork gets e-mailed back to me faster than snail mail. Plus, I get reward points when I charge the NFA tax on my credit card. 
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Posted: 10/30/2014 9:28:18 AM EDT
[#21]
Plenty of "real" stamps available on F4s. I'll take the ease and speed of an eF1 all day long.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:41:19 AM EDT
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Plenty of "real" stamps available on F4s. I'll take the ease and speed of an eF1 all day long. +1 until paper f1s get faster...eforms is the way to go! Bottom line an approval is an approval. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 12:44:36 PM EDT
[#23]
Have 2 paper stamps and one eStamp, with another paper stamp on the way (F4 for a can).
If I can efile, I'm gonna. While I can't expect the turnaround I had on my first eStamp (10 days) it sure as hell beats the 6 months for paper. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:00:23 PM EDT
[#24]
The new "stamps" are just stickers. I have a few of the old style Internal Revenue stamps and some Dept of Justice stamps and 1 e-stamp. I just need a red one to have them all...
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Posted: 10/30/2014 2:54:55 PM EDT
[#25]
All I care about is toy in my hand, don't give a fuck what the stamp is printed on.
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Posted: 10/30/2014 3:24:03 PM EDT
[#26]
3 paper stamps and 4 eforms.
They all shoot the same. I'll take whatever is the quickest at any given time. If they come out with an audible .mp3 file stamp I can get in 45 minutes, I'll have my shit in iTunes... |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:12:18 PM EDT
[#27]
"Stamp collecting" when it comes to the NFA isn't literal
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:51:16 PM EDT
[#28]
Probably same response for May 19, 1986. If people knew what it would cost today, everyone would have filed a MG Sears! One day these NFA stamps will become a day of the past and people will pay $2000 each. Then people will be like "damn eforms!"
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:53:38 PM EDT
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Probably same response for May 19, 1986. If people knew what it would cost today, everyone would have filed a MG Sears! One day these NFA stamps will become a day of the past and people will pay $2000 each. Then people will be like "damn eforms!" You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. inflated cost of MG's =/= a different mechanism for approval. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 4:57:45 PM EDT
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You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. inflated cost of MG's =/= a different mechanism for approval. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably same response for May 19, 1986. If people knew what it would cost today, everyone would have filed a MG Sears! One day these NFA stamps will become a day of the past and people will pay $2000 each. Then people will be like "damn eforms!" You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. inflated cost of MG's =/= a different mechanism for approval. Do people get this worked up over postage stamps? "No! I want them to use the physical stamp because if they print the postage paid it's not legal!" |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 5:02:02 PM EDT
[#31]
4 eFile submissions on 10/3 and 4 approvals on 10/10. A 7 day turn around.
I'll take the paper approval for $200 Alex. |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:08:47 PM EDT
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4 eFile submissions on 10/3 and 4 approvals on 10/10. A 7 day turn around. I'll take the paper approval for $200 Alex. Is that because you've already e filed before? Why is some people getting 1 day or a week turnaround and most still 35 days? |
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:10:35 PM EDT
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Do people get this worked up over postage stamps? "No! I want them to use the physical stamp because if they print the postage paid it's not legal!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably same response for May 19, 1986. If people knew what it would cost today, everyone would have filed a MG Sears! One day these NFA stamps will become a day of the past and people will pay $2000 each. Then people will be like "damn eforms!" You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. inflated cost of MG's =/= a different mechanism for approval. Do people get this worked up over postage stamps? "No! I want them to use the physical stamp because if they print the postage paid it's not legal!" I guess that's why people pay for items that can't be made anymore. Heard Noveske has a rifle coming out. Only 250 of them will be made! $2500. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 10:27:51 AM EDT
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Probably same response for May 19, 1986. If people knew what it would cost today, everyone would have filed a MG Sears! One day these NFA stamps will become a day of the past and people will pay $2000 each. Then people will be like "damn eforms!" You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. inflated cost of MG's =/= a different mechanism for approval. Do people get this worked up over postage stamps? "No! I want them to use the physical stamp because if they print the postage paid it's not legal!" I guess that's why people pay for items that can't be made anymore. Heard Noveske has a rifle coming out. Only 250 of them will be made! $2500. I'm not one of those people, relics are meaningless to me |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 2:24:51 PM EDT
[#35]
I do but only because an individual cant file an eForm 1.
If I could efile as an individual I would....until then its a paper app only. |
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Posted: 10/31/2014 9:23:52 PM EDT
[#36]
I will go with whatever is the fastest and easiest.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 11:22:04 AM EDT
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I do but only because an individual cant file an eForm 1. If I could efile as an individual I would....until then its a paper app only. I have a feeling if 41p finalized. A lot of people will switch to individual. I know I will for sure! Unless my lawyer can write a trust that only, I, can be the grantor and trustee. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:01:56 PM EDT
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I actually prefer eStamps. All of mine are that way, but I am waiting for 1 paper form 4. I love having my signed trust docs and eStamps on my phone at all times so there's no need for shrinking paperwork or carrying a binder. Once my paper form 4 gets approved I'm going to scan it in and keep it on my phone as well. It'll essentially be the same as my eForms but with the extra step of scanning them in and making a PDF.
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:05:35 PM EDT
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I guess that's why people pay for items that can't be made anymore. Heard Noveske has a rifle coming out. Only 250 of them will be made! $2500. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably same response for May 19, 1986. If people knew what it would cost today, everyone would have filed a MG Sears! One day these NFA stamps will become a day of the past and people will pay $2000 each. Then people will be like "damn eforms!" You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. inflated cost of MG's =/= a different mechanism for approval. Do people get this worked up over postage stamps? "No! I want them to use the physical stamp because if they print the postage paid it's not legal!" I guess that's why people pay for items that can't be made anymore. Heard Noveske has a rifle coming out. Only 250 of them will be made! $2500. $2500 for a Gen III Noveske isn't very expensive let alone a limited edition. |
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Posted: 11/1/2014 9:46:08 PM EDT
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$2500 for a Gen III Noveske isn't very expensive let alone a limited edition. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Probably same response for May 19, 1986. If people knew what it would cost today, everyone would have filed a MG Sears! One day these NFA stamps will become a day of the past and people will pay $2000 each. Then people will be like "damn eforms!" You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. inflated cost of MG's =/= a different mechanism for approval. Do people get this worked up over postage stamps? "No! I want them to use the physical stamp because if they print the postage paid it's not legal!" I guess that's why people pay for items that can't be made anymore. Heard Noveske has a rifle coming out. Only 250 of them will be made! $2500. $2500 for a Gen III Noveske isn't very expensive let alone a limited edition. I know! Its a Magpul Folio green gun. I don't know if I want to jump on the bandwagon as it might be valued much. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 5:02:59 PM EDT
[#41]
I'll be the odd man out here. With paper Form 1's only running a few weeks behind e-forms, I do the paper forms still. I like having the physical stamp.
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You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. Um, no, that is demonstrably false. You are paying for a stamp, that's what the $200 tax is for. It buys a tax stamp. Just like a postage stamp costs $0.49 at the post office and makes your letter legally mailable, an NFA stamp costs $200 at the ATF and makes your form legally valid. You paid for the end item possession when you bought the rifle/can/whatever. ATF may now say that an electronic version of the stamp is acceptable, just like the USPS says you can print postage at home, but the home-printed stamp still costs 49 cents, and the e-stamp is still what you are buying with your $200. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 6:36:57 PM EDT
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I'll be the odd man out here. With paper Form 1's only running a few weeks behind e-forms, I do the paper forms still. I like having the physical stamp. Um, no, that is demonstrably false. You are paying for a stamp, that's what the $200 tax is for. It buys a tax stamp. Just like a postage stamp costs $0.49 at the post office and makes your letter legally mailable, an NFA stamp costs $200 at the ATF and makes your form legally valid. You paid for the end item possession when you bought the rifle/can/whatever. ATF may now say that an electronic version of the stamp is acceptable, just like the USPS says you can print postage at home, but the home-printed stamp still costs 49 cents, and the e-stamp is still what you are buying with your $200. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. Um, no, that is demonstrably false. You are paying for a stamp, that's what the $200 tax is for. It buys a tax stamp. Just like a postage stamp costs $0.49 at the post office and makes your letter legally mailable, an NFA stamp costs $200 at the ATF and makes your form legally valid. You paid for the end item possession when you bought the rifle/can/whatever. ATF may now say that an electronic version of the stamp is acceptable, just like the USPS says you can print postage at home, but the home-printed stamp still costs 49 cents, and the e-stamp is still what you are buying with your $200. I'm well aware of the legal ramifications - BUT are you paying for a little piece of adhesive backed paper OR for the "privilege" of possessing the item which is represented by the stamp/tax. Spare me the split hairs - none of us are paying $200 for the little piece of paper, we're paying for the ability to possess the SBR, SBS, Suppressor or other item which it grants us the legal protection to own. The stamp is just what they give us to show that legal protection. IF you are the type of person who IS willing to pay big bucks for a 1x2 piece of paper, more power to ya. I'll keep collecting my electronically-generated-every-bit-as-legal-fully-functional-and-faster-to-get-stamp-that-I-can-do-from-my-desk-in-my-underwear-without-printing-or-mailing-anything. Same price, less hassle, no waiting in line at the local post office. Have fun caressing your pretty little green stamp (as you visit it in the safe deposit box, I hope?). ETA : I haven't seen any of my paper stamps since the day they came in, I scanned them into electronic format, and locked them away in the SD Box. I assure you, I did NOT pay $200 for "the stamp", only for that which it allows. |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 6:46:02 PM EDT
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...electronically-generated-every-bit-as-legal... That point is still up for debate. 
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Posted: 11/2/2014 7:18:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2014 8:16:23 PM EDT
[#45]
I skipped it.
Went ahead and made a SBR without any form. I function tested it to make sure it worked. Then I fired up the PC and filled out a Form 2. Oh wait... |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:06:06 PM EDT
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...electronically-generated-every-bit-as-legal... That point is still up for debate. Nvm didn't read it all. Lol, read the WHOLE thing - it's fearmongering that contradicts itself before halfheartedly admitting that it's own premise is invalid. Then, in the comments, another attorney cites the legal code which expressly permits the use of electronic forms in lieu of adhesive stamps. 110% non-issue |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:36:38 PM EDT
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Lol, read the WHOLE thing - it's fearmongering that contradicts itself before halfheartedly admitting that it's own premise is invalid. Then, in the comments, another attorney cites the legal code which expressly permits the use of electronic forms in lieu of adhesive stamps. 110% non-issue Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...electronically-generated-every-bit-as-legal... That point is still up for debate. Nvm didn't read it all. Lol, read the WHOLE thing - it's fearmongering that contradicts itself before halfheartedly admitting that it's own premise is invalid. Then, in the comments, another attorney cites the legal code which expressly permits the use of electronic forms in lieu of adhesive stamps. 110% non-issue I did read it. I read the first couple sentences and thought the article was about forging a Form 1 since its "electronic". But found out thats not what the article was about LOLZ |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 9:36:49 PM EDT
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I'm well aware of the legal ramifications - BUT are you paying for a little piece of adhesive backed paper OR for the "privilege" of possessing the item which is represented by the stamp/tax. Spare me the split hairs - none of us are paying $200 for the little piece of paper, we're paying for the ability to possess the SBR, SBS, Suppressor or other item which it grants us the legal protection to own. The stamp is just what they give us to show that legal protection. IF you are the type of person who IS willing to pay big bucks for a 1x2 piece of paper, more power to ya. I'll keep collecting my electronically-generated-every-bit-as-legal-fully-functional-and-faster-to-get-stamp-that-I-can-do-from-my-desk-in-my-underwear-without-printing-or-mailing-anything. Same price, less hassle, no waiting in line at the local post office. Have fun caressing your pretty little green stamp (as you visit it in the safe deposit box, I hope?). ETA : I haven't seen any of my paper stamps since the day they came in, I scanned them into electronic format, and locked them away in the SD Box. I assure you, I did NOT pay $200 for "the stamp", only for that which it allows. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. Um, no, that is demonstrably false. You are paying for a stamp, that's what the $200 tax is for. It buys a tax stamp. Just like a postage stamp costs $0.49 at the post office and makes your letter legally mailable, an NFA stamp costs $200 at the ATF and makes your form legally valid. You paid for the end item possession when you bought the rifle/can/whatever. ATF may now say that an electronic version of the stamp is acceptable, just like the USPS says you can print postage at home, but the home-printed stamp still costs 49 cents, and the e-stamp is still what you are buying with your $200. I'm well aware of the legal ramifications - BUT are you paying for a little piece of adhesive backed paper OR for the "privilege" of possessing the item which is represented by the stamp/tax. Spare me the split hairs - none of us are paying $200 for the little piece of paper, we're paying for the ability to possess the SBR, SBS, Suppressor or other item which it grants us the legal protection to own. The stamp is just what they give us to show that legal protection. IF you are the type of person who IS willing to pay big bucks for a 1x2 piece of paper, more power to ya. I'll keep collecting my electronically-generated-every-bit-as-legal-fully-functional-and-faster-to-get-stamp-that-I-can-do-from-my-desk-in-my-underwear-without-printing-or-mailing-anything. Same price, less hassle, no waiting in line at the local post office. Have fun caressing your pretty little green stamp (as you visit it in the safe deposit box, I hope?). ETA : I haven't seen any of my paper stamps since the day they came in, I scanned them into electronic format, and locked them away in the SD Box. I assure you, I did NOT pay $200 for "the stamp", only for that which it allows. You may not like it, but I assure you, you DID spend $200 for the stamp. You argument is like saying "I didn't pay $50 for the tank of gas, I paid for the ability to drive 300 miles." Fine, but what you actually spent money on is the gas. You may call it splitting hairs, but would you give $50 to the gas station clerk for his permission to be 300 miles away? |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:23:44 PM EDT
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You may not like it, but I assure you, you DID spend $200 for the stamp. You argument is like saying "I didn't pay $50 for the tank of gas, I paid for the ability to drive 300 miles." Fine, but what you actually spent money on is the gas. You may call it splitting hairs, but would you give $50 to the gas station clerk for his permission to be 300 miles away? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're paying for the end item possession, NOT the physical stamp. Um, no, that is demonstrably false. You are paying for a stamp, that's what the $200 tax is for. It buys a tax stamp. Just like a postage stamp costs $0.49 at the post office and makes your letter legally mailable, an NFA stamp costs $200 at the ATF and makes your form legally valid. You paid for the end item possession when you bought the rifle/can/whatever. ATF may now say that an electronic version of the stamp is acceptable, just like the USPS says you can print postage at home, but the home-printed stamp still costs 49 cents, and the e-stamp is still what you are buying with your $200. I'm well aware of the legal ramifications - BUT are you paying for a little piece of adhesive backed paper OR for the "privilege" of possessing the item which is represented by the stamp/tax. Spare me the split hairs - none of us are paying $200 for the little piece of paper, we're paying for the ability to possess the SBR, SBS, Suppressor or other item which it grants us the legal protection to own. The stamp is just what they give us to show that legal protection. IF you are the type of person who IS willing to pay big bucks for a 1x2 piece of paper, more power to ya. I'll keep collecting my electronically-generated-every-bit-as-legal-fully-functional-and-faster-to-get-stamp-that-I-can-do-from-my-desk-in-my-underwear-without-printing-or-mailing-anything. Same price, less hassle, no waiting in line at the local post office. Have fun caressing your pretty little green stamp (as you visit it in the safe deposit box, I hope?). ETA : I haven't seen any of my paper stamps since the day they came in, I scanned them into electronic format, and locked them away in the SD Box. I assure you, I did NOT pay $200 for "the stamp", only for that which it allows. You may not like it, but I assure you, you DID spend $200 for the stamp. You argument is like saying "I didn't pay $50 for the tank of gas, I paid for the ability to drive 300 miles." Fine, but what you actually spent money on is the gas. You may call it splitting hairs, but would you give $50 to the gas station clerk for his permission to be 300 miles away? That is exactly my argument, I'm not paying for "gas" (stamp), I'm paying for that which it grants me, "mobility" (the firearm), the gas/stamp are simply means to an end. Nether hold any value once used - the gas is combusted and the stamp is filed away... I'll bow out as this is a tech thread and it is plainly obvious that you're willing to argue the intrinsic value of a little piece of paper. Make no mistake, I'm not a stamp hater (I have several of each kind... ), it is only that the stamp itself holds ZERO value to me (as was the premise of the thread) |
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Posted: 11/2/2014 10:46:21 PM EDT
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The argument can go both ways. You're paying $200 for them to register the item to your name so you can legally own it.
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