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Posted: 11/26/2014 7:53:16 PM EDT
Hello everybody i have a gun on layaway at the LGS and whoever owned it before me painted over the markings but the serial number has a  CC prefix and A after the serial number. By the way any tips on removing paint but not the blue on a gun would be aappreciated.
Thanks for the help.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 8:01:18 PM EDT
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they are painted over park not blued. Don't touch the finish.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 8:08:48 PM EDT
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Thanks for telling me that so maybe it didn't have a year on the wristband ( or whatever it's called)
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 8:24:23 PM EDT
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It should have a year stamped on the wrist on the left side. Might be lightly stamped/faded and hard to read.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 8:42:41 PM EDT
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My No4Mkl is marked just above the ejector screw rather than obtuse wrist socket.
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 8:49:49 PM EDT
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Hello everybody i have a gun on layaway at the LGS and whoever owned it before me painted over the markings but the serial number has a  CC prefix and A after the serial number. By the way any tips on removing paint but not the blue on a gun would be aappreciated.


Thanks for the help.
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I can't find any reference to a "CC" prefix in my info.  And I can't find any letter code suffixes either.  Is this the original serial number on the wrist of the receiver or a new serial number applied by the importer?  If the later, it won't tell you anything about the manufacturer or year of manufacture.




 
 
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 9:09:30 PM EDT
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I can't find any reference to a "CC" prefix in my info.  And I can't find any letter code suffixes either.  Is this the original serial number on the wrist of the receiver or a new serial number applied by the importer?  If the later, it won't tell you anything about the manufacturer or year of manufacture.
   
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Hello everybody i have a gun on layaway at the LGS and whoever owned it before me painted over the markings but the serial number has a  CC prefix and A after the serial number. By the way any tips on removing paint but not the blue on a gun would be aappreciated.
Thanks for the help.
I can't find any reference to a "CC" prefix in my info.  And I can't find any letter code suffixes either.  Is this the original serial number on the wrist of the receiver or a new serial number applied by the importer?  If the later, it won't tell you anything about the manufacturer or year of manufacture.
   

Im not sure. I remember it having what looked like two serial numbers which i thought was odd but the one on the receipt was the one with CC. Ill report back when i see it again but don't know when that will be
Link Posted: 11/26/2014 9:44:29 PM EDT
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The serial number stated on the receipt will be the importer's applied serial number. It may be very similar or completely different from the original maker's serial number. I think we're just you.g to have to wait until you have it in your hands and can hopefully post Sharp, clear pictures.
Link Posted: 12/3/2014 11:51:39 PM EDT
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ROF Fazakerley used two letter prefixes, but I don't know offhand about CC. The suffex -A is tagged on British rifles that had non-standard parts. The rifles were servicable for use, but there is something pecular about that particular rifle. My Fazakerley is GA22***-A. I haven't found what is non-standard, and it is my primary shooter.

After checking my references, the CC and my GA are not referenced. As was stated earlier detailed photo's will be helpful.
Link Posted: 12/4/2014 12:21:22 AM EDT
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This +1,000,000

Don't try to remove the paint.  Leave it as-is.

Link Posted: 12/4/2014 7:54:22 AM EDT
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"CC" is not a observed prefix.  "A" means a non standard part, normally a pin in the firing mechanism.

If the paint is original it's Suncorite.  Normally over a oil blackened finish.  Very few No4's had a park finish, just some the north American made No4's.  Suncorite was used on refurbished rifles a lot.
Link Posted: 12/6/2014 6:14:30 PM EDT
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sorry i haven't responded back here in awhile ive been busy. anyway i think i remember something like M A S on the bolt what does that mean and does $265 seem like a good price for a No. 4 Mk1 in good condition that may or may not be re coated. and i feel like i remember seeing ROF or something like that marked on it.  i might be able to take some pics of it on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Link Posted: 12/7/2014 12:56:19 AM EDT
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Page 244 of The Lee-Enfiield... By Ian Skennerton says that some BSA  No4's had CC as a prefix.
"However, some CA and CC prefix numbers have been noticed more recently so production extended beyond War Office allocations."
Fazakerley ROF used the A suffix from 48-57 but used the PF. From 44-47 FE, no letter prefix, then A-Z, then AA-AF, all with 4 numbers. I'm wondering if your No4 was a BSA Mk1 converted to a Mk1/2 at Fazakerley during the retrofitting post war to make it like the MkII's.
I just found reference to the A suffix being used by ordnance depot or armourer would designate a rifle for handfitting because of some variation in the action body, by stamping an A after the original serial number. I'm really wanting to know if you actually have a No4 Mk1/2. Pictures or as much info as you can provide would help greatly.
As for the MAS, it might just be an inspection stamp as I could find nothing about that stamping.
Link Posted: 12/7/2014 4:38:33 PM EDT
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Page 244 of The Lee-Enfiield... By Ian Skennerton says that some BSA  No4's had CC as a prefix.
"However, some CA and CC prefix numbers have been noticed more recently so production extended beyond War Office allocations."
Fazakerley ROF used the A suffix from 48-57 but used the PF. From 44-47 FE, no letter prefix, then A-Z, then AA-AF, all with 4 numbers. I'm wondering if your No4 was a BSA Mk1 converted to a Mk1/2 at Fazakerley during the retrofitting post war to make it like the MkII's.
I just found reference to the A suffix being used by ordnance depot or armourer would designate a rifle for handfitting because of some variation in the action body, by stamping an A after the original serial number. I'm really wanting to know if you actually have a No4 Mk1/2. Pictures or as much info as you can provide would help greatly.
As for the MAS, it might just be an inspection stamp as I could find nothing about that stamping.
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That would be kinda cool as for the ROF marking that's what the guy behind the counter said it looked like
Link Posted: 12/7/2014 10:25:25 PM EDT
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Page 244 of The Lee-Enfiield... By Ian Skennerton says that some BSA  No4's had CC as a prefix.

"However, some CA and CC prefix numbers have been noticed more recently so production extended beyond War Office allocations."

Fazakerley ROF used the A suffix from 48-57 but used the PF. From 44-47 FE, no letter prefix, then A-Z, then AA-AF, all with 4 numbers. I'm wondering if your No4 was a BSA Mk1 converted to a Mk1/2 at Fazakerley during the retrofitting post war to make it like the MkII's.

I just found reference to the A suffix being used by ordnance depot or armourer would designate a rifle for handfitting because of some variation in the action body, by stamping an A after the original serial number. I'm really wanting to know if you actually have a No4 Mk1/2. Pictures or as much info as you can provide would help greatly.

As for the MAS, it might just be an inspection stamp as I could find nothing about that stamping.
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I just looked at that section in Skennerton.  However, unless I'm misreading it, it appears that he's referring to No. 5's, not No. 4's.



 
Link Posted: 12/9/2014 11:53:10 PM EDT
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So i looked at the gun today and i saw it very lightly stamped No4 mk1 ROF (F) 5/43 so im guessing fazakerly may 1943 is when it was made. And the had M A L not M A S on the bolt
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