Posted: 8/17/2014 11:52:40 AM EDT
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Scoring differences are really more on the shooter than the gun in the silhouette game. Just about any bolt action .22 is capable of hitting the targets at the various ranges. I'd be more interested in seeing a sheet or three of ARA bench rest targets shot with both rifles by the same shooter using a solid rest.
One of the 77/22s in our club is shot by a AAA shooter who is consistently near the top of everyone. The other 77/22 is a AA that stays firmly in AA land. One of the American rifles is a new toy for an older guy who wanted a rifle to fit in the hunter class and get away from his standard rifle and save some weight. He's definitely not a new shooter, but I take his word that his new rifle leaves him wanting a bit more from it, but he tempers his own complaints considering what he paid for his rifle. Where the price difference comes in on the 77/22 is the nice factor. That's what I was getting at. Not trying to run down the American or anyone who owns one. I'm certainly glad to see some stuff coming out that's inexpensive and effective enough to bring new people into the sport without breaking them. Like I said, comparing the two side by side leaves one looking like a basic entry level rifle, and one looking like a well built and aesthetically pleasing rifle for someone wanting that, which is exactly what both are. Performance being similar, the parts and fit/finish is where the cost difference is. If I wanted a gun I didn't mind beating up and not pay much for it, the American would be near the top of my list. If I wanted one to last and to be taken care of, and to look and feel nice, the American would never enter the conversation. Even then, there are other options I'd take over the 77/22, but it's a fine looking and shooting gun. I wasn't trying to ruffle anyone's feathers after you bought your American.
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What I do not understand why Ruger is still making the 77/22. Doubt it is going to be twice the rifle even though it costs at least twice as much.
The 77/22 is way more of a rifle than the American. Wood, usually pretty decent wood at that, or a laminate stock that you can't get on the American, a good trigger than can be made great with a little bit of effort, a very accurate barrel, a full size build, and a lot better fit, finish, and attention to detail make it cost a lot more. For practical purposes, your American will kill squirrels just as dead, but the 77/22 has a bit more style and a lot more craftsmanship built into it. They're products of two totally different concepts. One is a cheap mass produced disposable rifle that is built to be effective and economical. The other is built to last for generations and look good doing so. Both have a legit place in the market.
There are a couple of guys shooting 77/22s at my club in our silhouette matches. They are very nice rifles, and one of them is always near the top of the standings. A couple guys have recently brought out Ruger Americans. Meh, they do their job, but they don't have any soul next to their big brothers. Nor do they shoot as well. There's no comparison between the two when you see them side by side. Think Remington 700 BDL next to a Remington 710.
Frankly, that sounds...well, like you're talkin out of your ass. I don't doubt that they are nicer, but I notice that you haven't mentioned the scoring difference between the two. And someone that has a brand new rifle is nore likely to be a new shooter as well. jmho
Scoring differences are really more on the shooter than the gun in the silhouette game. Just about any bolt action .22 is capable of hitting the targets at the various ranges. I'd be more interested in seeing a sheet or three of ARA bench rest targets shot with both rifles by the same shooter using a solid rest.
One of the 77/22s in our club is shot by a AAA shooter who is consistently near the top of everyone. The other 77/22 is a AA that stays firmly in AA land. One of the American rifles is a new toy for an older guy who wanted a rifle to fit in the hunter class and get away from his standard rifle and save some weight. He's definitely not a new shooter, but I take his word that his new rifle leaves him wanting a bit more from it, but he tempers his own complaints considering what he paid for his rifle. Where the price difference comes in on the 77/22 is the nice factor. That's what I was getting at. Not trying to run down the American or anyone who owns one. I'm certainly glad to see some stuff coming out that's inexpensive and effective enough to bring new people into the sport without breaking them. Like I said, comparing the two side by side leaves one looking like a basic entry level rifle, and one looking like a well built and aesthetically pleasing rifle for someone wanting that, which is exactly what both are. Performance being similar, the parts and fit/finish is where the cost difference is. If I wanted a gun I didn't mind beating up and not pay much for it, the American would be near the top of my list. If I wanted one to last and to be taken care of, and to look and feel nice, the American would never enter the conversation. Even then, there are other options I'd take over the 77/22, but it's a fine looking and shooting gun. I wasn't trying to ruffle anyone's feathers after you bought your American.
No doubt, and no jimmies ruffled here.
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