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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:33:38 PM EDT
Ok,
So, I like quality and I'm not made of money. I'm definitely in the "buy once cry once" camp. This brings me to .22 rifles...specifically rifles getting close to $1k. Now, for me once we start getting to that price range, the gun better be damned accurate. It should also be reliable and built very well. To me, the exotics are the Baikal/Izhmash/RWC Biathlon series rifles and the PWS Summit T3 (I've always been intrigued by the toggle actions). Other than cool-factor, do any of these offer anything that a similarly priced Annie cannot? Is the draw of these most likely because "variety/spice....."? I would imagine parts availability with the Russkie rifle could be difficult, and the PWS not so much. I don't necessarily want a "dedicated" target rifle, just a really nice "jack of all trades". I have enough plinkers so a tricked out 10/22 need not apply. So, in the $700-$1000 bolt gun category, which of the following would you choose and why? PWS Summit for $678 
RWC/Izh Baikal for $892 
RWC/Izh Sobol (like Baikal with irons) 
Anschutz 1416D HB for $799 
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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:41:06 PM EDT
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Those are still off the shelf .22lrs. You want a true custom hand built .22lr Bolt gun. Look into a New Ultra Light Arms in WV. I have one of his rifles and it is amazing. He builds them to your specs.
Its the one laying flat..the one on sandbags is a ruger .223 
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Posted: 7/12/2014 5:52:42 PM EDT
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Those are still off the shelf .22lrs. You want a true custom hand built .22lr Bolt gun. Look into a New Ultra Light Arms in WV. I have one of his rifles and it is amazing. He builds them to your specs. Its the one laying flat..the one on sandbags is a ruger .223 <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/die-tryin/media/DSC01394.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/die-tryin/DSC01394.jpg</a> Cost? I'd like to keep it under $1k. |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 6:52:44 PM EDT
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If it were me, I'd go with an Anschutz. I regret selling the one I had, and it was low end for Anschutz (1451). It was freaky accurate, even with the sub par trigger. The quality of the steel and the finish was exceptional.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 10:57:40 PM EDT
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I'd probably pick the one with iron sights, but that's because I like things with iron sights. The PWS doesn't seem all that enticing after reading about another member's issues with them. I know that my CZ 452 trainer with it's long barrel is damn nice with its irons, so I would imagine that the Sobol would be, too.
If you're going to scope it, there's any number of offerings. Maybe even a used Cooper, if you look hard enough. Other than that, I'm not too knowledgable on toggle mechanisms. |
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Posted: 7/13/2014 5:10:42 AM EDT
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Just a thought, looking at the PWS: That with a KIDD trigger would probably be amazing, since appears to take a stock pattern trigger housing. I built up a custom 10/22 years ago with every top notch part available at the time (steel receiver, re-machined bolt, etc.). It was very accurate, but I eventually sold it. The only thing I really missed was the KIDD trigger. It was by far one of the smoothest 2 stage triggers I've ever used. It's was worth every dime I paid for it.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 5:54:37 AM EDT
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I've only seen the one bad review on the Summit. Everything else I've heard it very good. I'm still on the fence over irons vs. optic (although my 43 year old eyes are leaning towards optic).
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Posted: 7/13/2014 6:19:14 AM EDT
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Cost? I'd like to keep it under $1k. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those are still off the shelf .22lrs. You want a true custom hand built .22lr Bolt gun. Look into a New Ultra Light Arms in WV. I have one of his rifles and it is amazing. He builds them to your specs. Its the one laying flat..the one on sandbags is a ruger .223 <a href="http://s21.photobucket.com/user/die-tryin/media/DSC01394.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b262/die-tryin/DSC01394.jpg</a> Cost? I'd like to keep it under $1k. I just looked, prices have done up a lot since I got mine..they are $1800.oo now. 
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Posted: 7/13/2014 1:18:30 PM EDT
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Volquartsen makes some nice 22's. I bought my Superlight for a grand. It's been reliable and extremely accurate.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 7:05:58 PM EDT
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Get the Anschutz if you don't have one, you won't be disappointed.
You missed a sale at Zander's earlier this year with some smokng prices across the line for Anschutz rifles. You might check their prices now. There are a few rifles at this site: http://www.chesebrorifles.com/Anschutz_c5.htm that make your price. The BSA MK II is a nice gun. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 5:24:12 AM EDT
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This is the ultimate "High End" rifle.
$3500
Anschutz 1827 Biathlon 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:22:06 AM EDT
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If you shop around you can find excellent quality older match rifles for a reasonable price. I did not pay more than $390.00 for any of the below.
M70 Valmet. 
Walther KKS-D 
Vickers-Armstrong Empire 
Soviet MU-12-2 
Soviet CM-2 
Soviet Taiga-2 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:10:11 AM EDT
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Y'all are killing me. If I"m looking at a heavy barreled repeater, how would the Mossberg 144 LSB compare to a 513T?
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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:58:02 AM EDT
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I would prefer the 513. Here's another option, call my friend Shane at Josephville Gunshop to find out if he knows anyone that wants to sell an Anschutz, Walther, or similar rifle. As far as I know he doesn't want to sell one of his personal rifles right now except a funky French Lebel that is listed on Gunbroker, but you never know. Anyway, his shop is pretty much rimfire central for this region and there a lot of people and guns in and out of the shop. Tell him Lee told you to call: 636-332-5450 or 866-757-3560. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:00:18 PM EDT
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Win 52
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Posted: 7/15/2014 7:21:28 PM EDT
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Anschutz 1423 maybe?
Or a KKJ or Anschütz 1420 and 1422 if you don't like fullstocked rifles. 
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Posted: 7/17/2014 6:39:53 PM EDT
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Well, there go the Russkie rifles.....
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Posted: 7/17/2014 6:56:41 PM EDT
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Did you check CDNN"s site? I haven't looked in a while, but they were selling CM-2's a while back.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:44:51 AM EDT
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No love for a Kidd setup? You couldn't get out of there just under your 1k mark and it is a damn good rig!
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Posted: 7/19/2014 4:16:28 PM EDT
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I was seriously considering one of these. Only read positive things about them (except for people complaining it's a $900 .22), and actual price is lower than listed on the site.
CZ 455 Precision Trainer |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:34:26 AM EDT
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I just bought a PWS T3 and love this little thing. I haven't shot it for precision accuracy yet, but I'm pretty sure it's there. I really wanted a bolt type rifle to shoot suppressed and like the 10/22 commonality of the T3. I will shoot some premium ammo through it soon and see what it can do. I just have a Leupold Rifleman 3-9x on it for now. I wanted something light on it, but that I can shoot jackrabbits and prairiedogs out to 100-150 yards or so.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:59:39 PM EDT
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I want a Cooper... Just browsing their website makes my wallet cry though.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 5:19:49 PM EDT
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I want a Cooper... Just browsing their website makes my wallet cry though. Never heard of em,,but checked that site out..Id luv to try their ONE SHOT competition... 
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Posted: 7/21/2014 7:21:55 PM EDT
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Anschutz 1423 maybe? http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/1423III_zpsc118c02d.jpg http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/DSCF7316_zps6853de18.jpg Or a KKJ or Anschütz 1420 and 1422 if you don't like fullstocked rifles. http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z159/Andyd173/Exportrifles.jpg I wanted a Manlicher stocked Anshutz SOOOOO BAADDDDDDD when I was a kid. They had them in the Savage catalogs.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 7:24:57 PM EDT
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Might consider a Sako Finnfire (P94S). There are 3 on gunbroker now. They'll probably end up selling for a bit over $1000.
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Posted: 7/23/2014 8:52:48 PM EDT
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If you buy Anschutz, get a used one, as current Anschutz is backing the idiotic and unreliable so-called "smart gun" tech:
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/10/anschutz-sells-out/ |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 7:24:39 PM EDT
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OP, Look at the Buckmark Carbines. They are much higher quality than your typical 10-22, have nice wood, and are accurate as all get out.
Most people don't know what they are when you pull them out at the range. |
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