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Posted: 8/2/2009 8:17:27 PM
I put a lot of thought in to this. I wanted a Ruger 10/22 to play with. I already had a 10/22 with a Butler creek folding stock, threaded barrel for my can and plenty of high cap mags. I was looking at building a pistol 10/22. Take a 10/22, put it in a pistol stock, cut the barrel down to 5" and thread it so i can put my can on it. Why a pistol; so I can use bulk ammo in high cap mags shooting from a pistoi.

I started by going to several pawn shops and seeking out a used 10/22 to start my new project. The problem is those blood suckers are selling used 10/22's for the same price as Walmart. I did not even try to haggle with them but i continued to vist several more. I finally found a decent 10/22 for $140. I brought it home and did some more looking and it was better then I though. It had never had a scope on it so the reciever was scratch free plus it had all of its scope mount screws in place. The stock was in excellent shape, the barrel and the butt pad (metal) had scratch marks from I guess the pawn shop putting it in and out of their safe. I looked up the serial number (only 6 digets) and found out it was made in 1968. This gun is older then I am. I changed my mind on taking this gun apart. So I have to start all over.

I went to a Gun show this weekend and saw a vender the was selling an Archangel Pistol stock for $100. He said it has been with him for several shows and he wanted it gaone. I felt it and for a pistol, it is quite big. I told him that i have to find a 10/22 at the show and i will be back to buy it. I looked over the whole show and found out rageously priced 10/22s. To be continued...
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Posted: 8/2/2009 8:21:29 PM
Once a rifle always a rifle.

You can't put a barrel shorter than 16" on a receiver that has ever been registered as a rfile. The only exception is if you pay the $200 stamp to make it a SBR.

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Posted: 8/2/2009 8:26:24 PM
Call me crazy, but have you looked at the Ruger Challanger pistol?
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Posted: 8/2/2009 9:07:07 PM
Sorry about the interuption, Dinner called. Anyway. I thought as long as it does not have a stock on it, it would not be consider a SBR just a pistol. And vice versa, If you have a pistol and put a stock on it, you would need to have have a barrel that was 16" put on it and all would be legal...

So any way. I was quite dissapointed in the gun show and not finding a 10/22. I ready to hit the road when on the last table, I saw an Intretec TEC 22. He wanted $200 and I snatched it up. I knew very little about the company or the gun but, what the hell. Positive features. I would not have to spent $100 on a Crapangel stock kit, It takes the same High Cap mags I already have. It has a threaded barrel, wrong thread pattern but thread none the less and the barrel is less the 5" so it will keep my bulk ammo subsonic. The top swings open and the bolt and guts are right there to clean. It fit better in my hand verses a Charger and weighs about half as much and one day when evil weapons are banned again, maybe it will increase in value.

Now for all you hard core 10/22 fans and that the charger would beat it hands down. I don't know about that. I would have had to buy the gun. The charger would need to have some type of optic put on it. Buy the stock kit Archangel ($150) or the Nordic Componets ($250). I would have spent a $100 to cut, crown and thread the barrel. So easily I would have $600 in a pistol that the TEC 22 can do for $200 + $35 thread adaptor.

I tried to do a search on the AR15.com on the TEC 22 and really could not find anything about it. So - What do you think? I will post pictures as soon as I get them..

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Posted: 8/2/2009 9:51:27 PM
They have a bad reputation. It seems they are hit or miss, as far as functioning.

Mine is great. I paid $160 for it a few years ago. As long as it is clean and lubed, it runs just fine. I use good mags, too.

Once it starts to get dirty (I can run 25 round mags through it FAST), it starts to have some issues.

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Posted: 8/2/2009 10:04:41 PM
I've be seeing them on Gunbroker for about 350.00 and up. You got a decent deal. The gun is only gonna be as good as those shitty mags though.
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Posted: 8/2/2009 10:39:08 PM
My Tec-22 likes to stovepipe on a regular basis.
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Posted: 8/3/2009 11:48:50 AM
For post 22,000 (kind of fittin', eh? )...


Originally Posted By singtoe:

...I tried to do a search on the AR15.com on the TEC 22 and really could not find anything about it. So - What do you think? I will post pictures as soon as I get them..



I have two of them that run great and I love them (and a third that never did run right that I only kept to cannibalize for parts should that ever become necessary).



These two have been through many tousands of rounds each over the years. As long as they are cleaned and lubed well, they keep on running. My BILs and nephews alike love to shoot these things –– all of the interesting things in my collection, and these are what they always want to drag out first when they visit...

I haven't gotten around to it yet (too busy lately), but I'm planning to try my rimfire suppressor out on one of these –– I suspect it'll be a fun combo.

I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have enjoyed mine.

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Posted: 8/3/2009 12:43:23 PM

Originally Posted By singtoe:
... I went to a Gun show this weekend and saw a vender the was selling an Archangel Pistol stock for $100. He said it has been with him for several shows and he wanted it gaone. I felt it and for a pistol, it is quite big...

I briefly considered getting the Archangel pistol stock set for one of my two Ruger Chargers, but eventually decided that other than the unique look (and the ability to clamp all sorts fo stuff to the rails, good or bad ), that set-up really wouldn't do anything for me that my TEC-22s above didn't already do.

OTOH, with a bipod the stock Charger makes a nifty, portable little rimfire package capable of better accuracy than most .22 handguns as it is... and suppressed it's just that much more fun.


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Posted: 8/3/2009 7:03:04 PM
Originally Posted By BobCole:
Call me crazy, but have you looked at the Ruger Challanger pistol?


Got any pictures of a Challanger pistol?
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Posted: 8/3/2009 7:19:26 PM
Do they make a stick mag for this gun?
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Posted: 8/3/2009 9:13:49 PM
Originally Posted By PimpedGSG:
Do they make a stick mag for this gun?


It uses the same magazine as the ruger 10/22. Do they make stick mags for ruger 10/22s?
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Posted: 8/3/2009 9:28:25 PM
How can you campare this


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Posted: 8/3/2009 10:17:53 PM
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These have been coming soon for the last year.....this is the way I would go!

P.S. I had a tec-22 and it ran fine, but not in the cold weather.....I think all the internal plastic stuff slows in cold temps.....the hammer would fall, but not with enough force to pop the primer. I shit you not....haha.

My point: X-22P

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Posted: 8/3/2009 11:26:08 PM
It uses the same magazine as the ruger 10/22. Do they make stick mags for ruger 10/22s?


wasn't sure if intratec actually made a stick mag or not, but I have seen stick mags for the 10/22, they feature the small 10rder mounted on a dummy straight mag,
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Posted: 8/4/2009 1:19:47 AM
Originally Posted By singtoe:
I thought as long as it does not have a stock on it, it would not be consider a SBR just a pistol. And vice versa, If you have a pistol and put a stock on it, you would need to have have a barrel that was 16" put on it and all would be legal...





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Posted: 8/4/2009 3:37:23 AM

Originally Posted By BobCole:
Call me crazy, but have you looked at the Ruger Challanger pistol?

Do you mean the Ruger "Charger" pistol ?
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Posted: 8/4/2009 9:03:25 AM
What, is this tread about Dodge muscle cars? Or a cool little gun that had great potential and ...................................

Check this out:

Tec-22 video
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Posted: 8/4/2009 9:58:04 AM
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How can you not?

They are both oversized handguns in .22LR, semi-automatic in operation, and use the exact same array of magazines.

The biggest differences are the name (and some will argue corresponding quality) and the fact that the Ruger (in stock trim, not all Archangel'd out as above) is still in production as a factory-produced firearm.

The Charger has a longer bbl, but the TEC-22 came threaded whereas I had to buy a threaded bbl for one of my Chargers after the fact.

Add the Archangel stock as above, and you have the option of hanging stuff off of the forend of the "Arch-Charger," a dubious advantage on this type firearm at best –– again, forend rails and longer bbls aside, what can the "Arch-Charger" do that the TEC-22 cannot (and in a smaller/lighter package, to boot)?



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Posted: 8/4/2009 10:01:48 AM
Notice how it is firing from the open bolt.

That is neat!
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Posted: 8/6/2009 2:41:08 PM
Originally Posted By singtoe:
Notice how it is firing from the open bolt.

That is neat!


I thought Tec22 are a closed bolt system.
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Posted: 8/6/2009 3:40:34 PM

Originally Posted By 223Sauce:
Originally Posted By singtoe:
Notice how it is firing from the open bolt.

That is neat!


I thought Tec22 are a closed bolt system.

It is, as it comes from the factory, i.e. semi-auto.



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Posted: 8/6/2009 3:55:39 PM
Originally Posted By 223Sauce:

I thought Tec22 are a closed bolt system.

The factory semi-auto is a closed bolt gun.

That one appears to be a full-auto conversion. It could have been done prior to '86 (was the Tec-22 around in '86?), a post sample by an 07/02 FFL, an illegal conversion, or a conversion done outside of the USA.

Based on the text at the start of the video offering plans for sale, the 2004 copyright, and the shooter not showing his face, I'd guess it's illegal.


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Posted: 8/7/2009 12:39:01 AM
Originally Posted By kingnitro:
Originally Posted By singtoe:
I thought as long as it does not have a stock on it, it would not be consider a SBR just a pistol. And vice versa, If you have a pistol and put a stock on it, you would need to have have a barrel that was 16" put on it and all would be legal...





You thought wrong, better do ur homework before you get ur ass in a sling.


I did a little research and found that this true. It is not acceptable to make a pistol out of a registered rifle but it is ok to make a rifle Stock and barrel > 16") out of a pistol. Apparently, when you do the transfer Paperwork at your dealer, they check off that you got a pistol or a rifle with that serial number.

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Posted: 8/7/2009 1:18:08 AM
Originally Posted By singtoe:
Originally Posted By kingnitro:
Originally Posted By singtoe:
I thought as long as it does not have a stock on it, it would not be consider a SBR just a pistol. And vice versa, If you have a pistol and put a stock on it, you would need to have have a barrel that was 16" put on it and all would be legal...





You thought wrong, better do ur homework before you get ur ass in a sling.


I did a little research and found that this true. It is not acceptable to make a pistol out of a registered rifle but it is ok to make a rifle Stock and barrel > 16") out of a pistol. Apparently, when you do the transfer Paperwork at your dealer, they check off that you got a pistol or a rifle with that serial number.


The FFL cannot change the designation of a complete rifle to pistol. Only bare receivers are allowed to be marked on the form as pistol, rifle or receiver on the paperwork if the manufacturer sends it to the FFL as a receiver only. The manufacturer states whether the complete firearm is a pistol or rifle. If it is not a complete firearm then it may be sent as a receiver only, pistol or rifle to the FFL.

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Posted: 8/7/2009 2:49:02 AM
Originally Posted By singtoe:
I thought as long as it does not have a stock on it, it would not be consider a SBR just a pistol. And vice versa, If you have a pistol and put a stock on it, you would need to have have a barrel that was 16" put on it and all would be legal...






Your Oh so VERY WRONG.


Once a rifle always a rifle. If you want to put a barrel shorter then 16 inches on a 10/22 you need to file a Form 1 for a SBR and pay the $200 tax.
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