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Originally Posted By Cdm1985:
This was initially my feeling as well. I bit the bullet and bought the BDS QR Conversion Kit (Polymer) during Black Friday and couldn’t be happier. View Quote Edit: Forgot to mention that I REALLY like redundancy on things I depend on. Unless I can fix it on-site, I have deep reservations. |
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw:
This is the thread I come to when I'm looking to make changes to my setup, but now I am in a position in which I have to go with a completely different setup. I am wearing issued gear right now that is serviceable, but enormously bulky, hard to maneuver in, heavy and uncomfortable. I'm looking to put together a PC and belt setup that will shave off some weight and increase mobility and utility. With that in mind, I'm looking at the ESSTAC Shooter's Belt with belt loop Tacos set up thus: 1x double pistol, 2x single rifle, blowout/IFAK pouch, GPS pouch, radio pouch and finishing out with a pistol holster. I'm looking to go as flat and low profile as possible with every pouch, as we have to wear them concealed. The PC is the big item on the list, and I am looking for the thinnest, lightest rifle rated plates I can get, in conjunction with a slick PC that will hold IIIA soft armor, to include a ballistic cummerbund. This is going to be a work in progress, but the ultimate goal is to be able to maneuver and fight without my gear getting in the way of that. Any suggestions or ideas would be very much appreciated. View Quote Finding a super slick PC that will hold cummerbund armor is tough. I'm going to make some custom soft armor carriers for the elastic cummerbund on my Beez carrier because there just wasn't any other option. I have no idea why no one seems to make a low pro/concealable PC that takes cummerbund armor but they really are rare, seemingly non-existent. You might be able to swap the cummerbund with another that lets you carry armor, but that'll be dependent on compatibility. As for plates the thinnest, lightest you'll get is going to be something like the TenCate 2000SA (my choice), Velocity Systems API-BZ, Hesco U210, and similar plates. Keep in mind a lot of these low-pro plates aren't meant to effectively stop rounds like 7.62x51 or 54r at or near their top velocities. It's not that they won't stop penetration, it's BFD that becomes an issue due to the small amount of laminate backing material used in these plates. In other words - they'll most likely stop penetration of lead core FMJ rounds in those calibers but blunt trauma may be an issue. The Velocity Systems API-BZ plate does claim M80 Ball testing under its covered threats, but I've never seen any test docs for the plate to verify velocity and BFD measurements. Word seems to be there's plenty of "high speed" people who wear them and like them though. Also, the 2000SA is rated against 1 hit of 7.62x39 API-BZ according to TenCate. Also, a question. Why use Tacos instead of something like the Blue Force Gear elastic pouches? You said you wanted to be low profile and even concealable and Tacos aren't exactly the lowest profile pouches out there. BFG does make belt mount elastic pouches, not just the MOLLE Ten-Speeds. |
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Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj:
I got you. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/276110/20190111_195237_jpg-804498.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/276110/20190111_195231_jpg-804499.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Sonoran_Tj:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
@Sonoran_Tj I would also be interested in some pics. Have been thinking of doing this for a while now. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/276110/20190111_195237_jpg-804498.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/276110/20190111_195231_jpg-804499.JPG You were saying that you lose some rows of webbing have you looked into this, Click me. They say it's for a First Spear rig but I'm sure it could be modified to work with a JPC and I remember seeing someone else making something similar specifically for the JPC using standard pals webbing but no luck finding it right now. The link I posted started shipping the end of last year. It was a kickstarter that had overwhelming support. For the record I have no affiliation with them. |
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Does anyone have a side view of a JPC 2.0 with 1” thick plates or less?
I’m shopping for plates right now and really tying to keep them as thin as possible (without getting steel). I’m willing to spend the money. Some have suggested the Dfndr plates as they are inky 1” but that still seems like a lot of bulk. Any side profile shots of JPCs with various thickness plates would be appreciated. |
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@CAKEPWNER
I'm thinking of going with a Ferro Slickster and getting a slick cummerbund made for it to accept my ballistic side panels. I don't see anything on the slickster that indicates whether it will take plate backers, but I figure if I go with a Level IV, I won't need them. It's just a matter of finding a low(er) profile Level IV plate. We've been seeing an increased level of activity in our area lately, so I'm thinking I might just scrap the idea of going super lightweight and go more toward better protection. I operate mounted a lot of the time, so I'm not going to be too worried about humping the extra weight of plates that will reliably stop the threats we encounter here. Fragmentation from IEDs is the big killer over here right now, so soft armor outside of my plate coverage is where I'm headed, I think. I think you're spot on about the Tacos. I was going to go with them until I saw the ones from Snake Eater Tactical, which look to be exactly what I'm looking for, down to the attachment method. I'm planning on using Velcro One-Wrap for belt loop attachment, as it will stick to the Velcro in my belt rig and keep the pouches from wandering. |
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw:
@CAKEPWNER I'm thinking of going with a Ferro Slickster and getting a slick cummerbund made for it to accept my ballistic side panels. I don't see anything on the slickster that indicates whether it will take plate backers, but I figure if I go with a Level IV, I won't need them. It's just a matter of finding a low(er) profile Level IV plate. We've been seeing an increased level of activity in our area lately, so I'm thinking I might just scrap the idea of going super lightweight and go more toward better protection. I operate mounted a lot of the time, so I'm not going to be too worried about humping the extra weight of plates that will reliably stop the threats we encounter here. Fragmentation from IEDs is the big killer over here right now, so soft armor outside of my plate coverage is where I'm headed, I think. I think you're spot on about the Tacos. I was going to go with them until I saw the ones from Snake Eater Tactical, which look to be exactly what I'm looking for, down to the attachment method. I'm planning on using Velcro One-Wrap for belt loop attachment, as it will stick to the Velcro in my belt rig and keep the pouches from wandering. View Quote Also, I'm not sure if you've got a budget but you'll be paying top dollar for those plates if you want them, pricing is $1000+ per. You'll be getting up there with lightweight level IV plates too. Another thing, a little idea since you have to deal with frag. I wear ACH ballistic nape pads as shoulder pads on my PC, gives me a bit of protection for an area that's typically totally unprotected with a modern PC setup. My test thread on these. Both TYR Tactical and Bushido Tactical also have proper ballistic shoulder pad offerings. There is actually some really important stuff running under that area that would make taking a hit there not fun, namely the subclavian artery. Just something to consider. |
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I'm giving serious consideration to the low profile BALCS armor carrier listed on SKD's website, coupled with VelSys BALCS armor and a set of API-BZ plates.
It might not be the lowest profile option, but with the threats we face here, I'd prefer the extra frag protection. As long as I can still button my shirt over the carrier, I'll be happy with it. For runs in the low threat areas, I'll go with the Slickster and API-BZ plates. I should have the budget for everything by next month, when our pay catches up. I might get the Slickster to start with and work my way toward the BALCS carrier, depending on conditions here. I'm basically having to build up my gear from the ground up for this gig, because we aren't allowed to have any camouflaged equipment or clothing. I'm swimming in ACU and Multicam stuff, but can't use any of it, so I guess this is as good an excuse as any to buy new gear. That idea using the nape pads is legit. I will be filing that one away for future reference. The loadout plan thus far: Heavy - SKD low profile BALCS carrier/VelSys BALCS soft armor/API-BZ plates Light- Ferro Slickster/SAPI cut plate backers/API-BZ plates Misc- ESSTac Shooters Belt system Snake Eater Tactical pouches 2x rifle, 3x pistol Blowout kit Radio pouch GPS pouch PIG Drop Slider sling Go Bag - TAD gear FAST Pack Litespeed 6 AR mags in side pouch, left Medical kit mounted on right Haley DC3R chest rig in pack, fully loaded Electronic ear pro Streamlight hand held light |
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw:
I'm giving serious consideration to the low profile BALCS armor carrier listed on SKD's website, coupled with VelSys BALCS armor and a set of API-BZ plates. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Cdm1985:
Have you considered the VelSys LPAC/LPAAC? It’s a modular system that could be ran slick or kitted up as needed with the addition of swift clips so you could attach your D3CR. View Quote If I could get away with wearing it as an outer garment, it would work just fine, but as it is, I have to find something that's more purpose built as a concealment carrier. |
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw: I did, but the construction is similar to the VelSys LEPC I'm using now, and even with the low profile plates, it's hard to conceal because of all the stitching on the outside. I got stuck with full sized plates, so I look like Quasimodo when I try to conceal this carrier, plus, it tends to "grab" my cover garments and it bunches up in odd places, so I'm always having to tug my shirt or jacket down. If I could get away with wearing it as an outer garment, it would work just fine, but as it is, I have to find something that's more purpose built as a concealment carrier. View Quote |
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Attached File This is from BCS. It's one of their NIJ carriers. A friend gave me a vest when he retired and the Velcro/elastic was shot. The carrier was a bit tall for the inserts and needed about 2" to be stiched up along the bottom. I'm not familiar with all the different types of soft concealable vests so am unsure what it was designed for. Anyways there are pockets for plates inside. I'll try my large SAPIs in it but the pockets might be to small. Eta, next to a medium interceptor for size comparison. Ok, sorry for the pajama pants pic but it's early Here it is with nij level 3 plus large SAPIs Attached File @doubleclaw |
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For the EDC users here.
I see a lot of different set ups, PC’s, battle belts, tactical thigh rigs for pistols. Anyone using a Costa Leg Rig or something similar to hold a couple of mags as opposed to a battle belt or more mags on the PC ? My thought is a PC with 2 rifle mags, Comms, IFAK, CAT, utility tool, Pelican M6 light, Taser, Glock 17. The Costa Leg rig could hold 2 more rifle mags and 3 more G17 mags. What is your thoughts ? ETA: No combat role, more of a Police/Security type call out role. |
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LIBERALISM "A highly infectious, contagious, debilitating disease, propped up by the media, for which there is no cure, and no one is looking for one either". - Taft |
Originally Posted By Cdm1985: I put this together on an HSGI leg panel as kind of a grab and go setup for work. https://i.imgur.com/JhyotB7.jpg View Quote |
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LIBERALISM "A highly infectious, contagious, debilitating disease, propped up by the media, for which there is no cure, and no one is looking for one either". - Taft |
Originally Posted By 03RN:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1547895154008-320159618_jpg-813086.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/1547895197428-2136845904_jpg-813087.JPG This is from BCS. It's one of their NIJ carriers. A friend gave me a vest when he retired and the Velcro/elastic was shot. The carrier was a bit tall for the inserts and needed about 2" to be stiched up along the bottom. I'm not familiar with all the different types of soft concealable vests so am unsure what it was designed for. Anyways there are pockets for plates inside. I'll try my large SAPIs in it but the pockets might be to small. Eta, next to a medium interceptor for size comparison. Ok, sorry for the pajama pants pic but it's early Here it is with nij level 3 plus large SAPIs https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/433221/KIMG1038_JPG-813089.JPG @doubleclaw View Quote I ordered a Slickster from SKD, after seeing one in person over here, and I think it'll be a big improvement over the Hunchback of Notre Dame rig I'm wearing now. I'm trying to get a set of low profile plates, but that's gonna take a little longer. The BZ plates are backlogged for six months, according to Velocity. I asked them if they had any other low profile plates available, but haven't heard back from them yet. My eventual goal is to have a carrier that will conceal under a button down shirt without a lot of stitched parts "grabbing" the material, We are required to conceal all our gear on mission, and it's kind of a yuuge pain in the ass, because a lot of it isn't very well designed for that purpose. The belt is a big kydex rig from High Threat Concealment, and it is heavy as all get out, plus it's all bolted together into one long piece, and uses up almost every bit of belt real estate, especially the giant IFAK pouch centered on the back. I'm working on getting some Velcro One Wrap to replace the quick release platform on the IFAK, so that it will lay flatter and still be releasable. I've also looked at some of the more current flat IFAK offerings, and I might go that route once I've got my plate situation taken care of. |
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw: I'm trying to get a set of low profile plates, but that's gonna take a little longer. The BZ plates are backlogged for six months, according to Velocity. I asked them if they had any other low profile plates available, but haven't heard back from them yet. View Quote Attached File I obviously don't know what your threat profile is, but that's not bad at all for a half-inch thick plate you can get on the open market. |
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Arfcom for the win! I found an old EE ad for a set of AT Armor S.T.O.P. plates, and they will fit the bill just fine until I can find a set of BZs. AT Armor describes these as poly-ceramic construction and about a half inch thick, weighing in at 5.5 lbs. for the 10x12 SAPI cut plates like these. Best of all, got them for right at $600 shipped.
Much happy. So armor. Wow. Gonna put everything together when I go home on leave. The summertime is gonna be a lot more comfortable without that 30 pound hunchback rig I'm wearing now. Plus, I should be able to wear my regular clothes again, instead of wearing oversized sacks to cover up my rig. |
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Originally Posted By doubleclaw:
Arfcom for the win! I found an old EE ad for a set of AT Armor S.T.O.P. plates, and they will fit the bill just fine until I can find a set of BZs. AT Armor describes these as poly-ceramic construction and about a half inch thick, weighing in at 5.5 lbs. for the 10x12 SAPI cut plates like these. Best of all, got them for right at $600 shipped. Much happy. So armor. Wow. Gonna put everything together when I go home on leave. The summertime is gonna be a lot more comfortable without that 30 pound hunchback rig I'm wearing now. Plus, I should be able to wear my regular clothes again, instead of wearing oversized sacks to cover up my rig. View Quote |
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those of you using a JPC2.0, if you upgraded your shoulder pads, which did you go with? debating the HSGI or the pigs.
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Originally Posted By SurtrsFire:
those of you using a JPC2.0, if you upgraded your shoulder pads, which did you go with? debating the HSGI or the pigs. View Quote I put PIG BRIG mk1 on my JPC 2.0 and helped a lot. They fit perfectly. Attached File Compared to the JPC with HSGI shoulder pads. Shamelessly reposted from @TATBME Attached File Also I highly recommend getting some PIG Pontoons. They make a huge difference in comfort and add a nice air channel. Attached File Attached File |
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Before the beginning of great brilliance, there must be chaos.
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I got a conex right now on my mind and I chugged myself blind.
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
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Originally Posted By Harvey_Mushman:
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Originally Posted By daemon734:
Ive got my JPC 2.0 set up with swiftclip panels, looking for one more with various storage capabilities added. Thinking about a mayflower pusher or haley/spiritus rig. One question, do the side fastex buckles get in the way from the haley or spiritus panels when mounted on a PC? https://i.imgur.com/vo8Fb9d.jpg View Quote Spiritus side buckles are removable. |
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Originally Posted By Harvey_Mushman:
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Originally Posted By andrewz71: Actually thread title is: Plate carrier thread? ** This is NOW a post pics of your Plate Carrier THREAD ** Since this is a pic thread questions and chat should be posted separate from this thread... Example: http://i.imgur.com/CpUm0cY.jpg It kind of stinks when you are subscribed to a picture thread and only see people talking... View Quote |
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Looks like a Ferro Dangler. https://ferroconcepts.com/collections/slickster-accessories/products/the-dangler
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Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
... Also I highly recommend getting some PIG Pontoons. They make a huge difference in comfort and add a nice air channel. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ARgunner0210:
Any more on that pontoon set up you've got? Looks like a nice way to add them but the spacer deal you have there seems a bit sketchy. Does it hold up well? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ARgunner0210:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
... Also I highly recommend getting some PIG Pontoons. They make a huge difference in comfort and add a nice air channel. ETA: The spacers I have are more stout than they look. I can hold one Pontoon and the other doesn't drop down. It's much more sturdy than it looks. It anything else you want to know hit me me up. |
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Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
The spacer holds up just fine, I used the strap for a welding helmet. Have not had any issues at all. I did a half ass stitch job but they just need spaced apart. Once in the carrier they don't move at all. ETA: The spacers I have are more stout than they look. I can hold one Pontoon and the other doesn't drop down. It's much more sturdy than it looks. It anything else you want to know hit me me up. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By ARgunner0210:
If that is they case, then I am strongly considering the same for my 6094. Are you running them front and rear or just on the front plate bag? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ARgunner0210:
Originally Posted By D-RAS03:
The spacer holds up just fine, I used the strap for a welding helmet. Have not had any issues at all. I did a half ass stitch job but they just need spaced apart. Once in the carrier they don't move at all. ETA: The spacers I have are more stout than they look. I can hold one Pontoon and the other doesn't drop down. It's much more sturdy than it looks. It anything else you want to know hit me me up. Attached File |
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Before the beginning of great brilliance, there must be chaos.
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Originally Posted By demoMouse:
Rockin the AWS Operator’s Choice PC in the wild https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/427499/9600BBD2-00D8-4386-9AAB-10CC04663543_jpeg-759672.JPG View Quote Attached File |
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Mayflower APC EI shoulder pads T3 pistol mag pouches us tactical sewing rifle mag pouches us tactical sewing admin pouch(might be EI, can't remember) |
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Originally Posted By theBlackKaiser:
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Originally Posted By PatriotNC:
Love desert digital. I wish Velocity hadn't discontinued it. Great loadout! View Quote |
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